2 100 mph forehands.

[metsman]

Two very similar forehands in terms of location and the quality of the ball coming in. Yet look at them from when the wrist starts to accelerate. Alcaraz needs 10x more distance for his racket to get up to speed to impart that much force on the ball. How much quicker must Federer's wrist accelerate? You'll be very hard pressed to find another player who hits a 100+ mph forehand with that little prep (not in terms of racket twirling, that happens before the ball bounces, but prep when actually contacting the ball) unless it's cold cocking a serve where the pace is provided so it's more about timing instead of generating acceleration.

Alcaraz's FH was 106 vs 102 but I wouldn't be surprised if the guns are juiced today in terms of where they measure, we know the same happened for serves. Regardless, two 100+ mph forehands vs softballs, to the average peasant both indicate an "all time great forehand" - but generated in very different ways. One is a lot more efficient and repeatable even against better quality shots and when time is taken away. The other is basically impossible to hit against a non-softballing non-geriatric.

 

[Fed Kennedy]

Carlos: I hit a 106mph forehand!

Talk Tennis: u suck bro

 

[Spin Diesel]

Two very similar forehands in terms of location and the quality of the ball coming in. Yet look at them from when the wrist starts to accelerate. Alcaraz needs 10x more distance for his racket to get up to speed to impart that much force on the ball. How much quicker must Federer's wrist accelerate? You'll be very hard pressed to find another player who hits a 100+ mph forehand with that little prep (not in terms of racket twirling, that happens before the ball bounces, but prep when actually contacting the ball) unless it's cold cocking a serve where the pace is provided so it's more about timing instead of generating acceleration.

Alcaraz's FH was 106 vs 102 but I wouldn't be surprised if the guns are juiced today in terms of where they measure, we know the same happened for serves. Regardless, two 100+ mph forehands vs softballs, to the average peasant both indicate an "all time great forehand" - but generated in very different ways. One is a lot more efficient and repeatable even against better quality shots and when time is taken away. The other is basically impossible to hit against a non-softballing non-geriatric.

You should link the videos and not screenshots.

 

[metsman]

to the average peasant

Carlos: I hit a 106mph forehand!

Talk Tennis: u suck bro

 

[jl809]

Isn’t Alcaraz’s extra takeback to allow him to get the rpm as well? Guessing his had a lot more topspin than Lord Frederick’s, thereby increasing the potential repeatability

 

[metsman]

You should link the videos and not screenshots.

Yes I wonder how anyone could possible retrieve the videos based on the screenshots. Clearly they are videos that I recorded on my handheld camera and are only accessible in a red USB drive in my private safety deposit box.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Carlos: I hit a 106mph forehand!

Talk Tennis: u suck bro

Short guys can hit hard. Look at Ferrer.

 

[RS]

Who hits harder BH's metsman?

 

[metsman]

Isn’t Alcaraz’s extra takeback to allow him to get the rpm as well? Guessing his had a lot more topspin than Lord Frederick’s, thereby increasing the potential repeatability

yeah that's a 3000 RPM FH Alcaraz hit, clearly. Good lord.

I started this thread to catch people twisting themselves in knots to deny the most obvious piece of visual evidence you can get and folks haven't disappointed.

 

[metsman]

Who hits harder BH's metsman?

Safin

 

[McGradey]

U ok hun?

 

[Night Slasher]

Petros would maul them both

 

[TheFifthSet]

Solid example of how hidden fundamentals often elude naked visuals.

 

[Dominic & Andrey]

Lol

 

[Deleted member 806402]

The other is basically impossible to hit against a non-softballing non-geriatric.

I like your style.

 

[Drob]

del Potro 113 mph FH

Novak Djokovic edges Juan Martin del Potro in historic Wimbledon semifinal

Novak Djokovic and Juan Martin del Potro played a classic at Wimbledon. (Anja Niedringhaus/AP) WIMBLEDON, England -- Novak Djokovic outlasted Juan Martin del

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del Potro 120 mph FH (see bottom of article re. Delpo FH)

Top 9 biggest weapons in men’s tennis today

Top 9 biggest weapons in men’s tennis today

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[Tano]

del Potro 113 mph FH

Novak Djokovic edges Juan Martin del Potro in historic Wimbledon semifinal

Novak Djokovic and Juan Martin del Potro played a classic at Wimbledon. (Anja Niedringhaus/AP) WIMBLEDON, England -- Novak Djokovic outlasted Juan Martin del

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del Potro 120 mph FH (see bottom of article re. Delpo FH)

Top 9 biggest weapons in men’s tennis today

Top 9 biggest weapons in men’s tennis today

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That's why his wrist suffered irreversible damage.

 

[dapchai]

That's why his wrist suffered irreversible damage.

nah that was delpo's left wrist which was injured, his thunderbolt forehands had nothing to do with that

 

[Spin Diesel]

Yes I wonder how anyone could possible retrieve the videos based on the screenshots. Clearly they are videos that I recorded on my handheld camera and are only accessible in a red USB drive in my private safety deposit box.

Oh, I see. You‘re not just a tennis expert* , you‘re also funny* !

*

 

[NatF]

For anyone too lazy to find the clips

 

[FeroBango]

1. The ball was seemingly more dead in the Alcaraz rally. This can be explained by what looks like a slower court in the Wimbledon final, compared to Cinci which still continues to be slick.

2. Fed himself used to have a longer take back and more prominent trunk rotation before 06-07. His FH was at his best in 05 too, perhaps not coincidentally.

 

[NeutralFan]

Sad to see Fed fans slowly turning into conspiracy theorists

 

[FeroBango]

Sad to see Fed fans slowing turning into conspiracy theorists

It frankly embarasses me to be associated with these types. Imagine Federer wasting his time and reading such drivel.

 

[NeutralFan]

It frankly embarasses me to be associated with these types. Imagine Federer wasting his time and reading such drivel.

Now we have an eye test to measure speed of shots, serve etc.

 

[NeutralFan]

It frankly embarasses me to be associated with these types. Imagine Federer wasting his time and reading such drivel.

Ironically same bunch has been criticising the young generation for not winning the slam ,now we have two different slam champion from generation z but they have become overrated now. Lmao

 

[FeroBango]

Ironically same bunch has been criticising the young generation for not winning the slam ,now we have two different slam champion from generation z but they have become overrated now. Lmao

For the deeply unhappy man, his sadness is permanent and symptoms, fleeting.

 

[jl809]

yeah that's a 3000 RPM FH Alcaraz hit, clearly. Good lord.

I started this thread to catch people twisting themselves in knots to deny the most obvious piece of visual evidence you can get and folks haven't disappointed.

If you want to invent stuff I’ve said, go ahead

 

[Incognito]

Sad to see Fed fans slowly turning into conspiracy theorists

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with Alcaraz fh fundamentals.

 

[FeroBango]

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with Alcaraz fh fundamentals.

It's so silly too. Fed himself shortened his takeback significantly only after 05.

Make no mistake that fed fh in the op is orgasmic. Clean, crispy, and so very majestic but the overall op is truly silly.

 

[Dominic & Andrey]

For anyone too lazy to find the clips

As great as the winner is, I am perhaps even more impressed by Fed's half volley FH after Roddick's high quality return, effortlessly resetting the point to neutral. Against most players Andy's return would have either drawn a short ball or an error.

 

[RS]

As great as the winner is, I am perhaps even more impressed by Fed's half volley FH after Roddick's high quality return, effortlessly resetting the point to neutral. Against most players Andy's return would have either drawn a short ball or an error.

Roddick getting bullied by Fed a treat

 

[NatF]

As great as the winner is, I am perhaps even more impressed by Fed's half volley FH after Roddick's high quality return, effortlessly resetting the point to neutral. Against most players Andy's return would have either drawn a short ball or an error.

Indeed, two great forehands that point. What made Fed's forehand so special was that he was a master of those half volleys able to take aggressive shots by his opponents and do something with them rather than be left on the defensive, and he could absolutely crush those shoulder high balls with ease as well. Effortless power and timing. I remember Tim Henman talking about deceptively heavy Federer's forehand was as well, he wasn't a flat hitter at all.

 

[NeutralFan]

Roddick getting bullied by Fed a treat

Like Son rising from east. Btw Roddick movement was a work of art

 

[Youngheart]

Sad to see Fed fans slowly turning into conspiracy theorists

Ohhh,...how thee savage winds of our presant time rob us of thy memories of glorious past greatness.
Upon this thoughtful day of truest reflection, I have thus crawled out from thy safety of mine homemade
High Alpine hut, and I am prepared to ponder thy increasing speed of forehands. I turn mine head slowly
to thee left and also thee right. Since there are presently no angry bears within sight, I rest under a pine tree.
I say, "Hark & Beware" if thou thinketh that a modest modern player is better than Federer!!... All is now said.
------ So Be It ⚜ ------

 

[-NN-]

These are good tactics to keep Fed relevant outside of the FPPT forum. I like it.

 

[jackson vile]

Alcaraz

 

[sportsfan1]

For anyone too lazy to find the clips

That alcaraz fh in the second clip is like a slap across the opponent's face. Brutal.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Looking at those two 100 mph forehands, Alcaraz does NOT have a longer takeback. His hand moves about the same the same distance back as Fed.

Alcaraz does lag the racquet back more than Fed. But the Alcaraz takeback is very compact.

Not clear what the point of the original post is.

 

[FeroBango]

Looking at those two 100 mph forehands, Alcaraz does NOT have a longer takeback. His hand moves about the same the same distance back as Fed.

Alcaraz does lag the racquet back more than Fed. But the Alcaraz takeback is very compact.

Not clear what the point of the original post is.

Quite similar to early Fed technique from what I understand.

 

[Vincent-C]

I can't seem to get the video clips (?) to play.

 

[The Guru]

Looking at those two 100 mph forehands, Alcaraz does NOT have a longer takeback. His hand moves about the same the same distance back as Fed.

Alcaraz does lag the racquet back more than Fed. But the Alcaraz takeback is very compact.

Not clear what the point of the original post is.

To crap on todays players and hype up tennis from 20 years ago of course. Don't even have to read the post to know that just look who posted it.

 

[coolbh6]

Carlos: I hit a 106mph forehand!

Talk Tennis: u suck bro

Fed - what an awesome way to get your reaction score higher...

I'm taking this route from here on out.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Quite similar to early Fed technique from what I understand.

As the game got faster the forehand evolved from 2000-2010. The Fed takeback became more compact to deal with the pace of incoming balls.
The so-called ATP forehand was born.

The Alcaraz takeback is very compact. As compact as ANY era of Fed. If not more so.

 

[RS]

To crap on todays players and hype up tennis from 20 years ago of course. Don't even have to read the post to know that just look who posted it.

Peak Alcaraz vs Peak Roddick on HC and grass who wins?

 

[InsideOut900]

Solid example of how hidden fundamentals often elude naked visuals.

It's pretty much not hidden, everyone can see Carlos needs more space to armwork to generate his pace than Federer.

But most don't understand the effect this has because Carlos's game is destructive enough against mug gen and old men than no one has to observe it first hand, so it can just be denied as not being there.

And yet, on occasion, Sinner, Medvedev, Zverev and Djoko prey exactly on this weakness.

 

[RS]

Like you can critic Alcaraz game compared to Fed but not sure this point is the best example.

Both FH's ended in a ideal way.

 

[TheFifthSet]

It's pretty much not hidden, everyone can see Carlos needs more space to armwork to generate his pace than Federer.

I had a feeling someone would quibble about the wording.

 

[Pheasant]

Peak Alcaraz vs Peak Roddick on HC and grass who wins?

Whenever in doubt around here, it's Connors in 5, or Benoit Paire in 3.

 

[RS]

Whenever in doubt around here, it's Connors in 5, or Benoit Paire in 3.

Tennis evolves. 2015-2024 the peak of it is more it.

 

[RS]

Like Son rising from east. Btw Roddick movement was a work of art

Fed was so dominant it didn't even feel like he had to focus on exposing Roddick's movement and backhand if he didn't want to. Could have probably been even more dominant in that matchup that he was other wise.