2004-05 vs 2014-15. Stronger?

What say you?


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RS

G.O.A.T.
Roddick played better in Wim 04 than old Fed in slams bar maybe the Wim 15 SF did let alone Safin AO 05
2014/2015 Fed had no ground game
2015 Murray was weak vs top guys
Roddick was weak
Hewitt was weak
Who played better
Nadal on clay
2004-2005 Fed > 2014-2015 Djokovic
2005 > 2004 > 2014 > 2015
Old Fed and Stan and Murray still better than Nalby and Safin and babydal and Roddick and Hewitt

End of thread.
 

Rogerer

Rookie
I think the level is the same.
AO:Safin 2005>stan 2014
W:Rod 2004> fed 2014/2015>rod 2005
RG no nadal:stan>Gaudio
Us:cilic could beat hewitt, but hewitt played a good tournament(finals too)
 
Roddick played better in Wim 04 than old Fed in slams bar maybe the Wim 15 SF did let alone Safin AO 05
2014/2015 Fed had no ground game
2015 Murray was weak vs top guys
Roddick was weak
Hewitt was weak
Who played better
Nadal on clay
2004-2005 Fed > 2014-2015 Djokovic
2005 > 2004 > 2014 > 2015
Old Fed and Stan and Murray still better than Nalby and Safin and babydal and Roddick and Hewitt

End of thread.
Can you please rate the quality of both year stretches out of 10?
 

Kralingen

Legend
Stronger can mean a few different things. If you want to go with depth of the field and more dangerous floaters, etc. that’s one argument. If you want to simply go to how hard it was to win a big title/Slam, I’ll go with 04/05 but slightly. Agassi is the main deciding factor here.

either way not a ton in it imo. Both Djokovic and Federer deserve credit for their escapades during this period as neither were pigeon years and neither were easy to dominate, and yet they did (Fed in ‘04>Djoko in ‘14 by far, but Djokovic’s 15>Fed’s ‘05)
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Stronger can mean a few different things. If you want to go with depth of the field and more dangerous floaters, etc. that’s one argument. If you want to simply go to how hard it was to win a big title/Slam, I’ll go with 04/05 but slightly. Agassi is the main deciding factor here.

either way not a ton in it imo. Both Djokovic and Federer deserve credit for their escapades during this period as neither were pigeon years and neither were easy to dominate, and yet they did (Fed in ‘04>Djoko in ‘14 by far, but Djokovic’s 15>Fed’s ‘05)
Looking at 2015, it would have been easier for old Fed to win Wimb/USO that year without Djokovic than it was for him to win the same slams in 2004/2005 also without Djokovic.
 

yokied

Hall of Fame
Even though I hate the guy, I can’t help but begrudgingly focus on Nadal in times like this. The fly in all the Fedovic ointments, screwing up everything for everyone, mercifully in this case.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Stronger can mean a few different things. If you want to go with depth of the field and more dangerous floaters, etc. that’s one argument. If you want to simply go to how hard it was to win a big title/Slam, I’ll go with 04/05 but slightly. Agassi is the main deciding factor here.

either way not a ton in it imo. Both Djokovic and Federer deserve credit for their escapades during this period as neither were pigeon years and neither were easy to dominate, and yet they did (Fed in ‘04>Djoko in ‘14 by far, but Djokovic’s 15>Fed’s ‘05)
Agassi was tougher/better player than 15 Fed?
 

Kralingen

Legend
Agassi was tougher/better player than 15 Fed?
‘15 USO Fed > ‘05 USO Agassi

but he was a strong SFist at AO ‘04 and QF at USO ‘04 and there weren’t really players like that challenging at equivalent tournaments in ‘14/15. Like would you really say Nishikori ‘14 USO > Agassi ‘04 USO?
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
‘15 USO Fed > ‘05 USO Agassi

but he was a strong SFist at AO ‘04 and QF at USO ‘04 and there weren’t really players like that challenging at equivalent tournaments in ‘14/15. Like would you really say Nishikori ‘14 USO > Agassi ‘04 USO?
Yes, before flaming out in final, Nishi played very good, taking out inform Raonic, Stan and Novak.
That was very good run, I know most people will not agree but it was equivalent to Sampras 01 run.
Raonic was seeded 5, Stan 3rd and Novak first
 

RS

G.O.A.T.
Yes, before flaming out in final, Nishi played very good, taking out inform Raonic, Stan and Novak.
That was very good run, I know most people will not agree but it was equivalent to Sampras 01 run.
Raonic was seeded 5, Stan 3rd and Novak first
This is really going to wind up Hewitt/Federer/Sampras fans.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
This is really going to wind up Hewitt/Federer/Sampras fans.
To be fair I was big Hewitt and Sampras fan
And Nishi did took out three top five seed and he may have ended up facing second seed Fed
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
On HC yes.


So a guy who was irrelevant outside HC is somehow a better player than a guy who was performing on every surface. You can nitpick surfaces how much ever you want, HC, grass, clay, 04 and 05 Agassi was not the level of that Fed. Now go on and cherry pick some more.
 

RS

G.O.A.T.


So a guy who was irrelevant outside HC is somehow a better player than a guy who was performing on every surface. You can nitpick surfaces how much ever you want, HC, grass, clay, 04 and 05 Agassi was not the level of that Fed. Now go on and cherry pick some more.
Admit you think 2015 was a prime/peak Fed.
 

RS

G.O.A.T.
To be fair I was big Hewitt and Sampras fan
And Nishi did took out three top five seed and he may have ended up facing second seed Fed
Do you think Nishikori in QF/SF beats Hewitt in USO 01 SF/F form and Pete USO 01 QF form?
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster


So a guy who was irrelevant outside HC is somehow a better player than a guy who was performing on every surface. You can nitpick surfaces how much ever you want, HC, grass, clay, 04 and 05 Agassi was not the level of that Fed. Now go on and cherry pick some more.
Tennis is a game of 3 surfaces. It's normal to be better on a surface than others.

Agassi's results on HC in 2004 were better than 2015 Fed's.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
Tennis is a game of 3 surfaces. It's normal to be better on a surface than others.

Agassi's results on HC in 2004 were better than 2015 Fed's.
I think comparison was between Agassi 05 but Agassi of AO 04 and Cincinnati 04 was better
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Tennis is a game of 3 surfaces. It's normal to be better on a surface than others.

Agassi's results on HC in 2004 were better than 2015 Fed's.
Another ridiculous statement. Holy crap.

Federer won 4 titles on HC in 2015 (Brisbane, Dubai, Cincinnati and Basel). His performance in Cincy knocks out anything Agassi did in 2004. His USO run was much better than Agassis USO run aswell. Aside from those 4 HC titles and USO F, he made the YECs final beating Djokovic, he made the IW final. He beat Djokovic in Dubai aswell. In what Universe was Agassis results better on HC than Federers, also performance wise?
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Admit you think 2015 was a prime/peak Fed.
Fed 2015 was one hell of a great level overall by Federer. The year he really reinvented himself and imposed a different style of play. I'm not gonna comment on prime peak overall, but some tournament runs he had that year was at a crazy high level.

However comparing 2004 Agassi and 05 Agassi to 15 Fed is the biggest joke ever. The most EMBARRASSING comparison ever.
 

RS

G.O.A.T.
Fed 2015 was one hell of a great level overall by Federer. The year he really reinvented himself and imposed a different style of play. I'm not gonna comment on prime peak overall, but some tournament runs he had that year was at a crazy high level.

However comparing 2004 Agassi and 05 Agassi to 15 Fed is the biggest joke ever. The most EMBARRASSING comparison ever.

More embrassing than calling 2015 Fed better than 2004-07 despite the distance in stats probably being wider than 2004-05 Agassi vs 2015 Federer on HC?

You say Federer reinvented himself in 2015 but how much of that was due to be slower and having to make up for a lesser ground game and age?
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Fed of 2015
How could Agassi's 2004 Cincy be better? Federer in 2015 beat the top two players in the world, and one having the best year of his career, while not dropping serve the entire tournament.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
How could Agassi's 2004 Cincy be better? Federer in 2015 beat the top two players in the world, and one having the best year of his career, while not dropping serve the entire tournament.
In general AO Agassi was better than AO Fed.
But yeah yeah Cinci Fed and us Open fed achieved great height
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
04 Cincy Agassi better than Fed 15 Cincy? ok
I said 04 cinci and AO Agassi or Us 04 Agassi was better than overall Fed 15 but Fed cinci and Us open peak was better.
Do you really think AO fed was better than AO Agassi
 
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