2004-2009 Federer era vs 2011-2016 Djokovic era

Which was stronger overall 2004-2009 or 2011-2016?


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Lew II

Hall of Fame
A sandwich in between both, 2008-2013. But his pre-2008 and specially 2017-onwards results also merit some mention
Nadal didn't have an era of domination. His best seasons are way worse than Federer's and Djokovic's.

He will probably be the eternal clay GOAT though, which is not less great.
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
Nadal didn't have an era of domination. His best seasons are way worse than Federer's and Djokovic's.

He will probably be the eternal clay GOAT though, which is not less great.
He didn’t have as many dominant seasons but he was the best player in 2008 and 2010 and 2013 and won 10 slams in 2008-13 which was right in the middle of Federer or Djokovic primes apart from 2010.
 

Third Serve

Hall of Fame
It's tough because both periods have strong years that bump them up (2007-2009 for the former and 2011-2013 for the latter) and much weaker years that drag them down (2006 and 2016, respectively), while both have the same number of just average years all around, roughly speaking (2004-2005 for the former and 2014-2015 for the latter).

You really have to dig deep into individual years to find any significant differences.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
players with 18+ Slam matches won:

2004 - 1
2005 - 1
2006 - 1
2007 - 3
2008 - 3
2009 - 1

2011 - 4
2012 - 4
2013 - 2
2014 - 2
2015 - 4
2016 - 2
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
This has like barely any baring on the topic. Federer is 1-1 with Nadal in slam finals in 11-16...
Read between the lines, I know you are a clever boy :)

shows which era was weaker and which stronger. Federer destroying all those “rivals” early on. Djokodal destroying Federer consistently.

is it about age or maybe more about level of competition? Novak and Rafa ain’t Baghdatis and Roddick :p ;)
 

Third Serve

Hall of Fame
Read between the lines, I know you are a clever boy :)

shows which era was weaker and which stronger. Federer destroying all those “rivals” early on. Djokodal destroying Federer consistently.

is it about age or maybe more about level of competition? Novak and Rafa ain’t Baghdatis and Roddick :p ;)
The problem with these sorts of lists is that they ignore overall form for big names. Are Nadal and Djokovic better players than Baghdatis and Roddick? Absolutely. But was 2019 AO Nadal a tougher opponent than 2004 Wimbledon Roddick? Absolutely not. Was 2016 USO Djokovic a tougher opponent than 2005 USO Agassi? Not really; Djokovic was poor throughout that entire final while Agassi played excellent tennis in the first three sets.

That’s what makes competition comparisons so arbitrary.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
The problem with these sorts of lists is that they ignore overall form for big names. Are Nadal and Djokovic better players than Baghdatis and Roddick? Absolutely. But was 2019 AO Nadal a tougher opponent than 2004 Wimbledon Roddick? Absolutely not. Was 2016 USO Djokovic a tougher opponent than 2005 USO Agassi? Not really; Djokovic was poor throughout that entire final while Agassi played excellent tennis in the first three sets.

That’s what makes competition comparisons so arbitrary.
So you don’t think it evens out over that many matches? That they just happened to be in better form? Always some weird excause for Feds losses?
 

Third Serve

Hall of Fame
So you don’t think it evens out over that many matches? That they just happened to be in better form? Always some weird excause for Feds losses?
I was just pointing out a flaw in this sort of data chart. I do think Djokovic and Nadal have had slightly tougher competition (more so Djokovic than Nadal, IMO) than Federer, but this isn’t a good way to prove it.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Read between the lines, I know you are a clever boy :)

shows which era was weaker and which stronger. Federer destroying all those “rivals” early on. Djokodal destroying Federer consistently.

is it about age or maybe more about level of competition? Novak and Rafa ain’t Baghdatis and Roddick :p ;)
Doesn't show anything of the sort because most of Fed's final losses to Nadal happened in 2004-2009, and if you're saying you don't think Fed being well into his 30's had an impact on his slam h2h with Novak then I don't think you're being honest....
 
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TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Doesn't show anything of the sort because most of Fed's final losses to Nadal happened in 2004-2009, and if you're saying you don't think Fed being well into his 30's had an impact on his slam h2h with Novak then I don't think you're being honest....
You are just dodging the point, mixing different things.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm not dodging the point at all. Your brought in a stat with no context and I'm relating it back to the thread question.
your excuse for the losses to Novak is Fed was too old, then you argue for the losses to Rafa they happened too far back (when Fed was in his prime)

get your story straight.
 
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