mike danny
Bionic Poster
Roddick was good on 2 surfaces, not just 1
2005-2007 Nadal or 2022-2024 Alcaraz?
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
An ATG in name only. Ferrero had beaten Hewitt and Agassi back back.
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Hall of Fame
That's also true. Bottom line though, Medvedev is a very similar player to Roddick in a lot of ways and the numbers show that too.
Slams won: 1-1 (both at USO)
Slam finals: 6-5 (Med)
YEC: 1-0 (Med)
Masters: 6-5 (Med)
Weeks N1: 16-13 (Med)
YEN1: 1-0 (Roddick)
Titles: 32-20 (Roddick)
Win %: 74-71 (Roddick)
Wins vs top 10: 47-37 (Med)
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I still think Roddick was better because he gave a prime ATG tougher matches than Med has given old ATGs
Racquet_smash
Professional
Medvedev went up against Nadal and Djokovic but those guyes are much older than he is and he didn't do a lot better than Roddick against Federer.
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Hall of Fame
Yeah I'd have to disagree with that. He went 3-21 against Federer throughout his career....3-21...that has to be the most lopsided H2H in history among two players who are former slam winners and number ones, and none of those three wins even came at a slam or in the finals of a tournament.
Medvedev has already given both old Djokovic/Nadal and young Alcaraz/Sinner a much better run for their money than Roddick ever gave Federer. Medvedev has played Rafa in two 5-set slam finals, beaten Djokovic in a slam final while the Serb was going for CYGS, beat Sinner at Wimbledon, and Alcaraz at the US Open - that's more than Roddick has done vs any other ATG-tier player in his career, the closest he came was 2009 WI but he couldn't seal the deal. That was the only time in his career that he came close to beating an ATG level player late at a major, all the other times he either fell in 3 or 4 sets and the result never really looked in doubt
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Well, yeah, it's easier to pull that off vs old Djokodal than prime Fed. 16-14 in the 5th is still a more impressive effort than anything he's managed. Roddick would've beaten Fed too if the latter had shown up in USO 2021 F form. And let's not turn the AO 2022 F into a valiant effort now when it was a mess-up of epic proportions.
Also, Roddick wasn't quite given a chance against other ATGs since he mostly faced Federer when he was in his prime.
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Hall of Fame
He did a lot better than Roddick did though. He took Rafa to five-sets twice in a slam final and he beat Djokovic when he was going for the CYGS. Roddick took Fed to five-sets once in a final and never beat another ATG on his way to winning a slam.
Med also has to run into two future ATGs who are much younger than him (Alcaraz/Sinner) and he's playing them pretty much all the time now. Roddick rarely played two the ATGs younger than him (Djokovic/Nadal) at the big stages since he left his prime at 28
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Hall of Fame
I agree that Federer in his prime was the best opponent anyone could probably go up against but Roddick only had one guy to deal with whereas Medvedev has basically gone up against 4 ATGs/future ATGs during their windows of slam wins and he has already managed better against all of them (other than Rafa) than Roddick has ever had vs Federer.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
None of them in their primes though, except Sinner, which is why Med has seemingly done better.
And Sinner is on his way to becoming an ATG because Med couldn't stop him.
Racquet_smash
Professional
Mmm Medvedev's record on his favourite surface against Nadal is 1-5 with his only win coming at the Finals which is Nadal's worst surface out of all of them.
Considering he's 10 years younger than Nadal this is terrible.
duaneeo
Legend
Exactly. Medvedev losing twice in slam finals in 5-sets on his favorite surface to 33/35 year old Nadal isn't something to brag about.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Cilic is 7 years younger than Federer and yet he lost two GS finals, one of them in a humiliating way but I donde see the Swiss player's fans speaking badly of the Croatian.
As always, double standards prevail among Federer fans.
Racquet_smash
Professional
Cilic is considered an all time choker and has been considered such for more than a decade.Cilic is 7 years younger than Federer and yet he lost two GS finals, one of them in a humiliating way but I donde see the Swiss player's fans speaking badly of the Croatian.
As always, double standards prevail among Federer fans.
zagor
Bionic Poster
He’d give it a good go, certainly better than walkovers Ruud and Fritz.
messiahrobins
Legend
Good question, i'll say yes as he did tag Roddick at Queens which is usually a bit quicker than W. However not totally sure tbh
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
True, Ferrero was a very good player, but Djokovic was gunning for the Grand Slam.
Racquet_smash
Professional
Which if anything shows how much pressure he had. Djokovic not only was going after the slam record but the grand slam too, it was too much pressure even for him.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Yes, but Medvedev had to close the deal. He did.
Roddick was never able to really compete with the big 3. In fairness, they were closer to his age, but Novak was still in good form when Med beat him.
Racquet_smash
Professional
He did his job but it wasn't an extraordinary feat or anything like that.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
It wasn't an extraordinary feat for Roddick to beat a tired Ferrero in the final of the US Open, either.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
What does that bold part mean exactly?
Yes, I've never really understood Djokovic's USO record, but the 2022 AO wasn't a terrible match. I'm not quite sure why the little 3 seem to have enough for 2 but not 3 sets, but credit is due to the big 3 for their mental superiority.
Racquet_smash
Professional
It wasn't, but at least Roddick was more versatile than Medvedev as he was a good player on 2 surfaces.
Bender
G.O.A.T.
Nadal, as he had a tougher era. Alcaraz has achieved more, but Nadal probably would've performed similarly if not better if they swapped places. I don't think I can say the same about Alcaraz against peak Federer on clay / hards.
If you put them directly in a H2H in a series of hypothetical matches, I have Nadal winning that matchup more often than not as well.
If you put them directly in a H2H in a series of hypothetical matches, I have Nadal winning that matchup more often than not as well.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
No, not more versatile, just different. Roddick made finals at both Wimbledon and the USO, but never reached a QF at RG. Medvedev has done better at the French Open has a few semifinals at Wimbledon, and finals at both the USO and AO.
Racquet_smash
Professional
Medvedev is a non factor on clay and on grass. 2 semifinals at Wimbledon during those times mean nothing, the tour on the green surface has never been this weak. The likes of Shapovalov, Norrie and Kyrgios have made it to the WB semifinal recently, come on.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Anything meddy does is not good for some users. Leave them behind
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
He took out Sinner, the world #1. That's not a non-factor. Is he as competitive as Roddick on grass? No, but he's more competitive on hard court.
Racquet_smash
Professional
Well, Querrey took out Djokovic in 2016 there. I don't see anybody claiming Querrey is a great player on grass because of an isolated match, because that’s pretty much all Medvedev has done on grass at 28.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Djokovic played terribly. Federer never gave Roddick an opening like that.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
It's interesting that Roddick never faced Novak or Rafa in a final, but I think that points a bit to his level.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Points more to the age difference and the fact that his most consistent slam was Wimbledon
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Points more to the age difference and the fact that his most consistent slam was Wimbledon
But Rafa was in the final 3 years in a row from 2006 - 2008, and Roddick only made the quarters once in those three years. The USO was definitely his most consistent major.
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
2005-2007 alcaraz would straight-set 2022-2024 nadal
NatF
Bionic Poster
So? Roddick went 32-3 on grass in 2003-2005 only losing to Federer, he was due for a dip. In terms of making QF's he was most consistent at the USO, but he made an extra final at Wimbledon.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Still RAFA, the difference is getting to play Oldovic vs Peakerer at Wimby.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Medvedev took advantage of his opportunity to beat an ATG. If Roddick had reached the final when someone other than Roger was there it's possible he could have broken through, although still quite unlikely.
Incognito
Legend
Roddick was never the same player since he started working with that Stefanki guy. I don’t remember what year it was but he turned Roddick into David Ferrer with a huge serve. Roddick started pushing from the baseline instead of playing like the monster that blasted fh winners from everywhere on court in 2003-2004.
Truth is Rafa and Novak have never faced the best Roddick
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Dean Goldfine, who was Roddick's coach in 2005 and the first half of 2006. Roddick didn't start working with Larry Stefanki until 2008.Roddick was never the same player since he started working with that Stefanki guy. I don’t remember what year it was but he turned Roddick into David Ferrer with a huge serve. Roddick started pushing from the baseline instead of playing like the monster that blasted fh winners from everywhere on court in 2003-2004.
Truth is Rafa and Novak have never faced the best Roddick
With Goldfine, Roddick was focusing on becoming a more well-rounded player instead of focusing on his strengths like he had with Brad Gilbert. Roddick's gamble didn't work out.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Medvedev is the only guy to lose multiple finals from 2-0 up and has frequently been bested by mid 30's Djokodal often in straights, Roddick played competitive matches against the best versions of Federer. In short your statement is baseless
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Medvedev is the only guy to lose multiple finals from 2-0 up and has frequently been bested by mid 30's Djokodal often in straights, Roddick played competitive matches against the best versions of Federer. In short your statement is baseless
Is playing peak Federer harder than mid-30s Djokovic? Sure, but Roddick never beat peak Federer in those finals.
Medvedev had one opportunity to take down a less than stellar Djokovic, and took advantage.
Roddick had one opportunity to play someone other than Fed in a final, and took advantage.
1 major each
RS
Bionic Poster
It isn't really interesting to debate about either. Alcaraz and Sinner have passed both anyway already. They are in like a similar tier.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Sure, but my issue was with you calling Roddick repeating what Med did in 2021 "unlikely".
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
No, I said it was unlikely that Roddick would have won even if he had reached the final when Fed wasn't there, e.g., it was unlikely that he would have beaten Rafa at Wimbledon during those 3 years where he made the final.
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
What amazes me is that Posters vehemently arguing for Alcaraz were not even aware that Federer played Nadal at YEC 2006-07 yet they keep calling others fanboys.
On topic, I would put Rafael only inches ahead , but Carlos being better at HC slams does make his case strong enough. And to be fair I would not hold it against anybody putting him above Ralph.
Rafael, although was better on Clay and Grass. As far as Federer vs Alcaraz goes, Fraud would probably beat Alcaraz simply on the basis of matchups.
For Alcaraz, he played against Djokovic's style of Grass court or Clay court tennis. Shotmakers look great against consistent patterns of play until they meet another shot maker.
On grass, Fraud would be a bit too secure on his serve. He will be getting more free points on the serve, there would not be enough rally length for Alcaraz to turn it around. And unlike Djokovic's half baked aggression that he tried to wriggle out of WB 2024 F, Federer would be going with full FH , net attack and serve security. Add to that Alcaraz has a tendency to misfire when pressed Fred will be out of Alcaraz's reach on Grass comfortably
On clay, there will be no lefty FH to BH stuff but if Alcaraz can keep the court closed he will win at least 50% of the matches. Maybe not ones where Fraud played like a god, 2006 rome or even 2007 RG F but there would be victories for Alky boi easily.
On topic, I would put Rafael only inches ahead , but Carlos being better at HC slams does make his case strong enough. And to be fair I would not hold it against anybody putting him above Ralph.
Rafael, although was better on Clay and Grass. As far as Federer vs Alcaraz goes, Fraud would probably beat Alcaraz simply on the basis of matchups.
For Alcaraz, he played against Djokovic's style of Grass court or Clay court tennis. Shotmakers look great against consistent patterns of play until they meet another shot maker.
On grass, Fraud would be a bit too secure on his serve. He will be getting more free points on the serve, there would not be enough rally length for Alcaraz to turn it around. And unlike Djokovic's half baked aggression that he tried to wriggle out of WB 2024 F, Federer would be going with full FH , net attack and serve security. Add to that Alcaraz has a tendency to misfire when pressed Fred will be out of Alcaraz's reach on Grass comfortably
On clay, there will be no lefty FH to BH stuff but if Alcaraz can keep the court closed he will win at least 50% of the matches. Maybe not ones where Fraud played like a god, 2006 rome or even 2007 RG F but there would be victories for Alky boi easily.
RS
Bionic Poster
Yeah sure. It's just such a boring topic Med vs Roddick. I agree tho.
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