2005-2007 Nadal or 2022-2024 Alcaraz?

[nolefam_2024]

What amazes me is that Posters vehemently arguing for Alcaraz were not even aware that Federer played Nadal at YEC 2006-07 yet they keep calling others fanboys.

On topic, I would put Rafael only inches ahead , but Carlos being better at HC slams does make his case strong enough. And to be fair I would not hold it against anybody putting him above Ralph.

Rafael, although was better on Clay and Grass. As far as Federer vs Alcaraz goes, Fraud would probably beat Alcaraz simply on the basis of matchups.

For Alcaraz, he played against Djokovic's style of Grass court or Clay court tennis. Shotmakers look great against consistent patterns of play until they meet another shot maker.

On grass, Fraud would be a bit too secure on his serve. He will be getting more free points on the serve, there would not be enough rally length for Alcaraz to turn it around. And unlike Djokovic's half baked aggression that he tried to wriggle out of WB 2024 F, Federer would be going with full FH , net attack and serve security. Add to that Alcaraz has a tendency to misfire when pressed Fred will be out of Alcaraz's reach on Grass comfortably

On clay, there will be no lefty FH to BH stuff but if Alcaraz can keep the court closed he will win at least 50% of the matches. Maybe not ones where Fraud played like a god, 2006 rome or even 2007 RG F but there would be victories for Alky boi easily.

Don't you worry about me. Every stat is not in my mind.

Alcaraz four slams USO wimby rg wimby
Nadal three slams rg rg rg

No need to worry.

 

[NatF]

No, I said it was unlikely that Roddick would have won even if he had reached the final when Fed wasn't there, e.g., it was unlikely that he would have beaten Rafa at Wimbledon during those 3 years where he made the final.

Depends on form, probably 2007-2008 Nadal edges any Roddick but I'd strongly favour Roddick at his best over 2006'dal. I think Fed himself would agree there, I believe Bud Collins asked Fed after the 2006 final if that was his toughest encounter and he said no Roddick in 2004 was. Obvious Roddick in 2006-2008 wasn't near his best on grass and wouldn't win. Just like Nadal who DNP in 2009 due to tendinitis is unlikely to beat the Roddick who went 16-14 in the fifth with Fed.

Really not sure what your point even is tbh. That Roddick was never a legit player on grass? Seems like an odd hill to die on.

 

[RS]

No, I said it was unlikely that Roddick would have won even if he had reached the final when Fed wasn't there, e.g., it was unlikely that he would have beaten Rafa at Wimbledon during those 3 years where he made the final.

Yeah even at Wimbledon it's not happening for Roddick against Nadal.

 

[NoleFam]

What amazes me is that Posters vehemently arguing for Alcaraz were not even aware that Federer played Nadal at YEC 2006-07 yet they keep calling others fanboys.

On topic, I would put Rafael only inches ahead , but Carlos being better at HC slams does make his case strong enough. And to be fair I would not hold it against anybody putting him above Ralph.

Rafael, although was better on Clay and Grass. As far as Federer vs Alcaraz goes, Fraud would probably beat Alcaraz simply on the basis of matchups.

For Alcaraz, he played against Djokovic's style of Grass court or Clay court tennis. Shotmakers look great against consistent patterns of play until they meet another shot maker.

On grass, Fraud would be a bit too secure on his serve. He will be getting more free points on the serve, there would not be enough rally length for Alcaraz to turn it around. And unlike Djokovic's half baked aggression that he tried to wriggle out of WB 2024 F, Federer would be going with full FH , net attack and serve security. Add to that Alcaraz has a tendency to misfire when pressed Fred will be out of Alcaraz's reach on Grass comfortably

On clay, there will be no lefty FH to BH stuff but if Alcaraz can keep the court closed he will win at least 50% of the matches. Maybe not ones where Fraud played like a god, 2006 rome or even 2007 RG F but there would be victories for Alky boi easily.

Djokovic's style of grasscourt tennis at his best was too much for everybody that he played for quite a while. Alcaraz didn't really play against that version. He played Djokovic when his grasscourt return numbers drastically declined from just the year prior (2023) and against a further declined version fresh off knee surgery (2024). I think 2022 Djokovic would have beaten 2023 Alcaraz, but at some point when you're entering your late 30s, your form is going to drop. I would bank on 31-35 year Federer and Djokovic being good enough to beat Alcaraz, especially his 2023 version.

 

[NatF]

Yeah even at Wimbledon it's not happening for Roddick against Nadal.

Roddick is certainly no Muller, Darcis, Rosol, Kyrgios, Brown etc...

 

[Racquet_smash]

Nadal was actually a very competent indoors players in his earlier years. He had strong showings in all 3 years there.

Toni here was pretty much detrimental much like he would be in his later years on grass. His development on the surface stopped. He was only able to reach 2010 and 2013 finals but that pretty much down to brute forcing rather than adapting to the surface which surely would have happened with Moya.

 

[RS]

Roddick is certainly no Muller, Darcis, Rosol, Kyrgios, Brown etc...

Yeah if it was not in a grand slam final and he got Nadal under good circumstances Roddick could definitely get him like they did.

 

[Racquet_smash]

Roddick is certainly no Muller, Darcis, Rosol, Kyrgios, Brown etc...

To be fair, those were more down to horrendous tactical approach more than anything. Toni was a curse for Nadal while he was getting older.

 

[ForehandCross]

Djokovic's style of grasscourt tennis at his best was too much for everybody that he played for quite a while. Alcaraz didn't really play against that version. He played Djokovic when his grasscourt return numbers drastically declined from just the year prior (2023) and against a further declined version fresh off knee surgery (2024). I think 2022 Djokovic would have beaten 2023 Alcaraz, but at some point when you're entering your late 30s, your form is going to drop. I would bank on 31-35 year Federer and Djokovic being good enough to beat Alcaraz, especially his 2023 version.

I concur I was talking more of the style he played with in 2023-24.