2005-2007 Nadal or 2022-2024 Alcaraz?

[octobrina10]

Yes and that's what i said , his title came in 2008. Lawyer

No, you said "should come".

 

[nolefam_2024]

No, you said "should come".

Should would

This is thread about pre 2008, english is my first language

 

[octobrina10]

Now again changing the argument.

We are talking about Nadal FAILURE on grass, where he didn't win wimbledon and then next best was queens. Now saying its worthless compared to wimby, of course it is worth less but not worthless. Its another pt in alcaraz favor.

We are talking about you making a lot of noise about Rafa not winning an ATP-250 grass-court tournament (he reached the QFs) the next week after winning the French Open on clay in 2006 and 2007.

 

[nolefam_2024]

We are talking about you making a lot of noise about Rafa not winning an ATP-250 grass-court tournament (he reached the QFs) the next week after winning the French Open on clay in 2006 and 2007.

and i am making a lot of noise, this is comparison thread and data points count

 

[DSH]

The difference between the Queen's club tournaments held in 2006 - 2007 and 2023 is that there weren’t a week gap between the French Open final and the start of the Queen’s before 2015. Rafa won FO in 2006 and 2007, he was tired for the Queen’s held the next week.

Don't give the guy any more ground, just keep repeating the same old nonsense.

 

[Subway Tennis]

I will kinda give him that but he didn't win. I was half baiting though I think it things aligned well for him he could have won a Wimbledon title.

If you told me in early 2003 that Roddick was going to end his career with 0 Wimbledons it would have been a very short and bitter conversation lol.

Same goes for Rao.

Can't believe they both never got one. Rao barely got a whiff with one final

 

[Mustard]

If you told me in early 2003 that Roddick was going to end his career with 0 Wimbledons it would have been a very short and bitter conversation lol.

When Hewitt won Wimbledon in 2002, I remember thinking that it was the first of 3 or 4 Wimbledon titles for him. Roddick was a sure future Wimbledon winner too.

It sounds absurd now but my memory going into the 2003 Wimbledon semi final is that Roddick was favoured to beat Federer, despite Federer having the slightly higher ranking. Roddick won 2003 Queen's Club in his first tournament with Brad Gilbert being his coach, while Federer won 2003 Halle. It was a close first set in that 2003 Wimbledon semi final, where Roddick had set point and Federer edged it, but Federer crushed Roddick in sets 2 and 3.

 

[Alcaraz takeover]

The truth is that it doesn't matter. Nadal was much better than Federer and Djokovic were as teenagers. So is Alcaraz. Sure, its fun to talk about and its exciting but it doesn't exactly say how it would look at the final destination.

 

[Mustard]

The truth is that it doesn't matter. Nadal was much better than Federer and Djokovic were as teenagers. So is Alcaraz. Sure, its fun to talk about and its exciting but it doesn't exactly say how it would look at the final destination.

Nadal won 16 tournaments as a teenager, a record that he shares with Borg. Nadal won 11 tournaments in 2005, a record for a teenager in a calendar year, and Nadal's career best in a calendar year (before the Mueller-Weiss syndrome diagnosis). Nadal had a 79-10 win-loss record in 2005, as an 18-19 year old, and his year was cut short.

 

[Alcaraz takeover]

Nadal won 16 tournaments as a teenager, a record that he shares with Borg. Nadal won 11 tournaments in 2005, a record for a teenager in a calendar year, and Nadal's career best in a calendar year (before the Mueller-Weiss syndrome diagnosis). Nadal had a 79-10 win-loss record in 2005, as an 18-19 year old, and his year was cut short.

Did that translate to him being the greatest of all time? Djokovic ultimately surpassed both he and Federer was the point I was making.

So debating Alcaraz or Nadal is fun but it really, really doesn't matter in the grand context of what Alcaraz can achieve when he hangs up his racket.

 

[Mustard]

Did that translate to him being the greatest of all time?

Possibly. The greatest of all time is subjective.

 

[abmk]

If you told me in early 2003 that Roddick was going to end his career with 0 Wimbledons it would have been a very short and bitter conversation lol.

Same goes for Rao.

Can't believe they both never got one. Rao barely got a whiff with one final

didn't think Raonic wasn't going to win Wimbledon without significant luck given his movement and RoS.
and Roddick definitely deserved to win a Wimbledon.

 

[hoodjem]

Poor Nadal.
Fed stood in his way.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Nadal won 16 tournaments as a teenager, a record that he shares with Borg. Nadal won 11 tournaments in 2005, a record for a teenager in a calendar year, and Nadal's career best in a calendar year (before the Mueller-Weiss syndrome diagnosis). Nadal had a 79-10 win-loss record in 2005, as an 18-19 year old, and his year was cut short.

Nadal was crispy af in 05. Only missed 2 more years at #1 by the absolute PEAK Federer (who Nadal was owning) but didn’t lose matches otherwise.

 

[zagor]

Yeah even at Wimbledon it's not happening for Roddick against Nadal.

2004 and 2009 Wimbledon Roddick has atleast a puncher's chance against anyone on grass, Nadal included.

Serve is the great equalizer and other facets of his game were working as well for Andy in those Wimbledons.

 

[Jonas78]

Nadal was crispy af in 05. Only missed 2 more years at #1 by the absolute PEAK Federer (who Nadal was owning) but didn’t lose matches otherwise.

Why you think he didnt succeed at HC slams before 2009? Its a little strange, because he reached Miami final at 18, and won 2 HC masters in 2005. And it wasnt Roger stopping him.

 

[RS]

If you told me in early 2003 that Roddick was going to end his career with 0 Wimbledons it would have been a very short and bitter conversation lol.

Same goes for Rao.

Can't believe they both never got one. Rao barely got a whiff with one final

Fed came like a storm and Roddick possibly didn't age as well as people thought stuff happens. Needed Fed to stop Roddick though