2005-2007 Nadal vs 2017-2019 Nadal

Who is better 2005-2007 Nadal or 2017-2019 Nadal

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ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
Easily. Tennis has evolved, look at Russia, fortunately for Fed the best Russian of his generation was only Safin - current third tier Red Army stalwart Rublev would have had his lunch if he was around in 04-07.
Med would have a chance though if not Rublev. He beat Djokovic this year twice. Why not 2004-07 Federer. What does he bring to the table 2019 doesn’t. RG 2008 all over again.
Safin at AO2005 if nothing compared to Med of USO 19. It’s a evolved version of Safin with 2 inches extra height and more skill and evolution 14 years later.
 
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topher

Professional
2007 Nadal would run circles around 2017-2019 Nadal. Current Rafa would try to use his experience and tactics against him, to little avail. 2007 Rafa was faster, and more dangerous and consistent off both wings FH and BH.

His major weakness was big, flat-hitting on hardcourts, which today's Rafa handles much better. Current Rafa also has a better serve than in 2007. But while current Rafa has improved his weaknesses over the years, strength to strength 2007 Rafa wins easily.
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
Nadal's opponents in 2017-19 had a higher Elo rating: 2032.6 to 1994.1.
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One metric that sounds promising enough is how ranking points are distributed across the top 10 (or top 20). It's basically the closest we can get to determining field strength. For instance, what did ___ player have to do to get to the number 6 ranking? The higher the bar for reaching the top, the "tougher" the players who occupy the top spots are.

If winning a Slam, making the WTF final, and reaching another Masters 1000 final (Del Potro in 2009) only gets you to rank 5, then that indicates that the bar for cracking top 5 was pretty high.

I'm not really looking for players such as Nishikori recently who consistently make it to QFs and SFs of the big events but never quite break through. Players like the aforementioned Del Potro who actually win big are better signs of tough competition because they prove that they can actually challenge the top players.

This metric isn’t perfectly accurate (especially when you factor in the ranking system change from 2008-2009) but it’s a good starting point.
You appreciate that establishing and comparing absolute strengths of fields ~15 years apart is not a trivial task and it is something that is yet to be properly done. On the other hand, statement of a player about his own level of play carries significant weight that can't be rejected lightly. You are little bit different than the others, so you might understand this. I would not bother saying this to someone else.
 

ForehandRF

Professional
@ABCD What Fed also said in 2018 for example is that a 36 years old should not be considered as a favorite to win a tournament.
In 2017, asked about why he decided to skip the French, he said that he is not 24 anymore, among other things of course.

How about that ?
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
@ABCD What Fed also said in 2018 for example is that a 36 years old should not be considered as a favorite to win a tournament.
In 2017, asked about why he decided to skip the French, he said that he is not 24 anymore, among other things of course.

How about that ?
Federer says many things. We shouldn’t take what sports people say to the media, at face value.

Of course, if the quotes fit into a trolling agenda then they will be used.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Med would have a chance though if not Rublev. He beat Djokovic this year twice. Why not 2004-07 Federer. What does he bring to the table 2019 doesn’t. RG 2008 all over again.
Safin at AO2005 if nothing compared to Med of USO 19. It’s a evolved version of Safin with 2 inches extra height and more skill and evolution 14 years later.
Medvedev's mental strength alone puts anyone in 2004-2007 - including Federer - to shame. It would be ugly that's for sure. Midget Davydenko gave Federer some fight in those years, imagine Davydenko with a bigger serve and a never say die attitude. Federer might win on grass but Khachanov is basically a Russian Roddick but one that's fully adapted to poly - so Federer probably suffers there too.
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
Easily. Tennis has evolved, look at Russia, fortunately for Fed the best Russian of his generation was only Safin - current third tier Red Army stalwart Rublev would have had his lunch if he was around in 04-07.
I don't think so. There was no real need for Stososov to pack lunches or really anything back in the days of 04-07. When he wasn't receiving prefential treatment from swiss mafia/banking/watch/champagne conglomerate purchased tournament organizers to play the later matches after his opponent was already tired out from their 9-5 job, he was surely lined up to play the standard 04-07 fare i.e. the local milkman or university janitor. After a breezy hitting session, Stososov would usually find himself with plenty of time for lunch, afternoon nap, and afternoon tea time.
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
Medvedev's mental strength alone puts anyone in 2004-2007 - including Federer - to shame. It would be ugly that's for sure. Midget Davydenko gave Federer some fight in those years, imagine Davydenko with a bigger serve and a never say die attitude. Federer might win on grass but Khachanov is basically a Russian Roddick but one that's fully adapted to poly - so Federer probably suffers there too.
Federer has lost 22 matches he held MP. After Medvedev's hero effort and fighting off the bad crowd Federer never had to how can we deny he is mentally better than Federer after carrying the whole world on his shoulders? With Roddick BH and clay record how can Karen not match him? Impossible. Davydenko didn’t do as well as Medvedev did vs a peak Nadal in his 2-19 H2H losing record.
2016 to now has to be ranked over 2004-2007. Not up for a moral debate.
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
I don't think so. There was no real need for Stososov to pack lunches or really anything back in the days of 04-07. When he wasn't receiving prefential treatment from swiss mafia/banking/watch/champagne conglomerate purchased tournament organizers to play the later matches after his opponent was already tired out from their 9-5 job, he was surely lined up to play the standard 04-07 fare i.e. the local milkman or university janitor. After a breezy hitting session, Stososov would usually find himself with plenty of time for lunch, afternoon nap, and afternoon tea time.
The Swiss are known for skiing in the mountains.
Don’t forget to bring the hot soup after the session it will be cold with all that snow.
Or maybe save it for today’s players they need the energy more to play a fast paced match in the evolving tennis of today. In 2004-07 and 2008-13 it wasn’t needed they played at a slower pace they can wait till dinner to eat. ⛷
 

clout

Hall of Fame
Statistically though, it's in favour of 2017-19:
Slams: 5-3 (17-19)
Slam Finals: 7-5 (17-19)
Slam Semis: 10-5 (17-19)
Titles: 22-15 (05-07)
Masters: 9-7 (05-07)
WTF: SF/SF-RR/A (05-07)
Weeks at number one: 57-0 (17-19)
Year end number one: 2-0 (17-19)
Match Wins: 208-161 (05-07)
Match Win Percentage: 88-85 (17-19)
Slam Match Wins: 68-50 (17-19)
Slam Win Percentage: 91-86 (17-19)
Wins over top 10: 29-27 (17-19)
 

Eren

Professional
@ABCD What Fed also said in 2018 for example is that a 36 years old should not be considered as a favorite to win a tournament.
In 2017, asked about why he decided to skip the French, he said that he is not 24 anymore, among other things of course.

How about that ?
Well, that does not mean anything since it is not beneficial to the idiotic "Age does not matter" brigade.

33 is the new 27, that's why so many football players are still retiring at freaking 35 and not 40. It seems the great age shift has only happened in one sport called tennis and has affected only a few tennis players.
 

duaneeo

Hall of Fame
2005 - 2007 Nadal facing 2017 - 2019 competition on 2017 - 2019 courts would win at least 9 slams.
 
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