2005 Fed doesn't compare to 2011 Djoker

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sadowsk2

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Read an interesting article on the NY Times comparing 2011 Djoker to 2005 Fed and bad news for the Fedards- 2005 Fed' numbers aren't close

1. Grand Slams - Djoker 3. Fed 2
2. Master Series - Djoker won more Masters Series titles
3. Victories versus top 10 opponents - Djoker is 20-2 versus top 10, fed only beat 14 top 10 players that year
4. WPT Finals is still in play, Fed didn't win it and Djoker still can.


Biggest glaring statistic is wins vs 10. Djoker played a lot more top 10 players and beat them.... While 2005 Fed was quite a year, it pales in comparison to 2011 Djoker
 
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sadowsk2 said:
Read an interesting article on the NY Times comparing 2011 Djoker to 2005 Fed and bad news for the Fedards- 2005 Fed' numbers aren't close

1. Grand Slams - Djoker 3. Fed 2
2. Master Series - Djoker won more Masters Series titles
3. Victories versus top 10 opponents - Djoker is 20-2 versus top 10, fed only beat 14 top 10 players that year
4. WPT Finals is still in play, Fed didn't win it and Djoker still can.


Biggest glaring statistic is wins vs 10. Djoker played a lot more top 10 players and beat them.... While 2005 Fed was quite a year, it pales in comparison to 2011 Djoker
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I guess NYtimes chose 2005 because both players were 24 yo in those respective years . Otherwise I don't understand the idiotic logic to pick a year Federer won 2 slams when he has 3 years in which he won 3 slams :D

yes, it doesn't compare.

If it did, it would mean Djokovic at 23 years won 3 slams in 2010 the way Fed won 3 slams when he was 23 yo ( in 2004).

By this time next year Djokovic should have won another 3 slams, maybe a GS to catch up + nytimes should write an article "Djokovic as a religious experience". You still want to compare?
 
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I don't understand why they feel they need to disrespect other players to promote tennis. First Sampras, and now Federer's getting the same treatment.
 
sadowsk2 said:
Read an interesting article on the NY Times comparing 2011 Djoker to 2005 Fed and bad news for the Fedards- 2005 Fed' numbers aren't close

1. Grand Slams - Djoker 3. Fed 2
2. Master Series - Djoker won more Masters Series titles
3. Victories versus top 10 opponents - Djoker is 20-2 versus top 10, fed only beat 14 top 10 players that year
4. WPT Finals is still in play, Fed didn't win it and Djoker still can.


Biggest glaring statistic is wins vs 10. Djoker played a lot more top 10 players and beat them.... While 2005 Fed was quite a year, it pales in comparison to 2011 Djoker
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Troll. Idiot. Prisoner from a mental institution.
 
Sure, Nole's had a banner year which, probably, will eclipse Roger's best. However, the thing about Federer that the... "article"... is overlooking, is that FedEx's achievements spanned such a long period. If we analyse his '04-'07 stats...

  • 11 grand slams
  • 13 masters
  • 3 year end championships
  • 42 tour titles
  • 63-10 vs top tenners (losses to only four different players, with only Nadal beating him more than once)
  • an overall win-loss record of 315-24

...then you can see that the Djoker has been trumped. It'll take him until 2014 before he even has an opportunity to top those numbers.


Regards,
MDL
 
Rhino said:
Retirements:
Djokovic 2011 - 2 (so far)
Federer entire career - 0
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hahaha.

why is 2005 being compared? federer's 2006 was better by quite some margin.

I guess an example of choosing which facts to show, to spin them into fitting your argument.

Still, Federer > Djokovic. by a massive margin. And it will remain a massive margin.
 
Rhino said:
Retirements:
Djokovic 2011 - 2 (so far)
Federer entire career - 0
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LOL!

Seriously though, Federer's sustained excellence was continous from 04 to 07. Yes, Novak has had an incredible season, it has been historic, and it could get even better. I wonder how he will be going back to AO, to try to defend it all though.

We all know Federer did that many times over, can Djokovic?
 
At least Federer lost to the three biggest talents outside of himself in 2005 at AO, FO, MC.


AO - Safin had to play one of his best matches ever. Some say his best ever, I'll reserve that opinion for another day.

FO - Nadal is/was superb on clay. I actually think at 19 he played a lot better on the dirt than he does now regardless of his results this year or even last year where he was unbeatable on clay.

MC - In all fairness. Federer was clearly injured here and was running on one ankle. Took Nalbandian playing his best here to just come through after multipule choke jobs.





Now take a look at who Djokovic played.


AO - Murray who doesn't even have half the game of Safin

FO - Lost to Federer. Federer actually played pretty well but Djokovic lost this match. Had ample opportunities.

W - beat Nadal in the finals. Wow. Since when was Nadal a grass court GOAT player?

US Open - Oh yep. Hard court GOAT Nadal again.


Djokovic's season is more impressive on paper but in all fairness people still believe he can be beaten and get close. Federer in 2005 most people had to play the match of their lives just to make the match close ie: not getting blown away.




Even if people do believe Djokovic is playing at a level never seen before (I don't). Tell me what Djokovic was doing in 2009 and 2010? His worst seasons after winning his first slam. You can argue his lowest levels considerably lower than Federer's. Federer's worst year since winning a slam to his last was 2003 in terms of stats. Still better than Djokovic's worst year in 2009.


Rant over.
 
It really is pretty sick what Novak did this year, no one ever expected this kind of year from him. But like Rafa said "what you did this year is impossible to repeat no?" Im ready for next year.
 
The most impressive distinction between Djok '11 & Fed '05-'06 is the fact he had to ascend from #3 through to #1 by beating h2h two guys with double- digit major totals. Fed did not have those hurdles.

As to picking '05 or '06 to compare, let's wait and see how the rest of '11 AND all of '12 to find out where Djok lines up vs the GOAT.
 
Cup8489 said:
hahaha.

why is 2005 being compared? federer's 2006 was better by quite some margin.

I guess an example of choosing which facts to show, to spin them into fitting your argument.

Still, Federer > Djokovic. by a massive margin. And it will remain a massive margin.
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Even in 2006 Fed never had more victories against top 10 players than Djoker has had, Or overall record versus top 10, Fed didn't equal the Masters series titles... Two rather notable distinctions... Furthermore were not talking about careers- but rather a single year... Take any of Feds single calendar years and it's still Djoker >>> Fed single season-wise
 
sadowsk2 said:
Even in 2006 Fed never had more victories against top 10 players than Djoker has had, Or overall record versus top 10, Fed didn't equal the Masters series titles... Two rather notable distinctions... Furthermore were not talking about careers- but rather a single year... Take any of Feds single calendar years and it's still Djoker >>> Fed single season-wise
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back then, master series had no byes and the finals were best of 5.
 
sadowsk2 said:
Read an interesting article on the NY Times comparing 2011 Djoker to 2005 Fed and bad news for the Fedards- 2005 Fed' numbers aren't close

1. Grand Slams - Djoker 3. Fed 2
2. Master Series - Djoker won more Masters Series titles
3. Victories versus top 10 opponents - Djoker is 20-2 versus top 10, fed only beat 14 top 10 players that year
4. WPT Finals is still in play, Fed didn't win it and Djoker still can.


Biggest glaring statistic is wins vs 10. Djoker played a lot more top 10 players and beat them.... While 2005 Fed was quite a year, it pales in comparison to 2011 Djoker
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2006 federer season makes djokovic season look like an amateur 95-2 and 12 titles
 
sadowsk2 said:
Even in 2006 Fed never had more victories against top 10 players than Djoker has had, Or overall record versus top 10, Fed didn't equal the Masters series titles... Two rather notable distinctions... Furthermore were not talking about careers- but rather a single year... Take any of Feds single calendar years and it's still Djoker >>> Fed single season-wise
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In your opinion, perhaps. but, I believe Federer was at 4 masters events plus wtf, which djokovic hasn't secured yet this year. if he doesnt, i'd have a hard time arguing against federer.

not to mention, the top 10 thing is somewhat irrelevant, as you can only beat the people in front of you. You could look at it two ways: either the top 10 nowadays is so strong that upsets aren't as common as 2006 (not likely, i mean, Almagro? Monfils? Really?), or that when it comes to big matches, theyre mugs... or that the field in 2006 was stronger as federer DIDNT face as many top 10 players, IE they weren't getting through the draw.

My point being, just because you're biased towards Djokovic (pretty obvious) doesn't mean that it's a fact that this year is better than Federer's 2006. I for one have a hard time making an honest opinion.. I think Federer was pretty legit in many matches (IE playing at a higher level than even Djokovic this year), but again, it's all subjective and opinionated. No real objective way to compare.
 
Cup8489 said:
In your opinion, perhaps. but, I believe Federer was at 4 masters events plus wtf, which djokovic hasn't secured yet this year. if he doesnt, i'd have a hard time arguing against federer.

not to mention, the top 10 thing is somewhat irrelevant, as you can only beat the people in front of you. You could look at it two ways: either the top 10 nowadays is so strong that upsets aren't as common as 2006 (not likely, i mean, Almagro? Monfils? Really?), or that when it comes to big matches, theyre mugs... or that the field in 2006 was stronger as federer DIDNT face as many top 10 players, IE they weren't getting through the draw.

My point being, just because you're biased towards Djokovic (pretty obvious) doesn't mean that it's a fact that this year is better than Federer's 2006. I for one have a hard time making an honest opinion.. I think Federer was pretty legit in many matches (IE playing at a higher level than even Djokovic this year), but again, it's all subjective and opinionated. No real objective way to compare.
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I generally agree with some of the things you said... However, the top 10 record is relevant as I mentioned not only does Djoker have MORE victories against the top 10, but to refute your argument that Fed didn't play as many, Djoker still has a better winning PERCENTAGE versus the top 10. Regardless of Fed being legit, too many ****** slappies keep harping the "coulda, woulda, shoulda's" of tennis (i.e. Roddick against Wimby finals versus Fed).

Winning more Masters series IS important as they're generally considered right below GS's being a structured tournament... And while Fed and Djoker at their best both win 3 GS's, Djoker has won a lot more Masters series (and he still has more he can win to further separate him from Fed) which is relevant...

I wouldn't say I'm "biased" towards Djoker as I don't like Djoker as I don't like Fed... Of the current big 3, I'm a Nadal fan, so you would think I'd be a big-time Djoker hater.... I not a fan of Fed either, and this board I think is too Fed-slappy but it is what it is...
 
sadowsk2 said:
I generally agree with some of the things you said... However, the top 10 record is relevant as I mentioned not only does Djoker have MORE victories against the top 10, but to refute your argument that Fed didn't play as many, Djoker still has a better winning PERCENTAGE versus the top 10. Regardless of Fed being legit, too many ****** slappies keep harping the "coulda, woulda, shoulda's" of tennis (i.e. Roddick against Wimby finals versus Fed).

Winning more Masters series IS important as they're generally considered right below GS's being a structured tournament... And while Fed and Djoker at their best both win 3 GS's, Djoker has won a lot more Masters series (and he still has more he can win to further separate him from Fed) which is relevant...

I wouldn't say I'm "biased" towards Djoker as I don't like Djoker as I don't like Fed... Of the current big 3, I'm a Nadal fan, so you would think I'd be a big-time Djoker hater.... I not a fan of Fed either, and this board I think is too Fed-slappy but it is what it is...
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I am too lazy to look up how many masters events Federer won in 2006, but i believe it's 4, plus the WTF; As it stands, Djokovic has won 1 more Masters event, but has not won the WTF. So, for me, 4 MS events + 1 WTF win > 5 MS events. If Djokovic does win it this year, then I'll concede it was the better season..

But like I said top 10 is not as relevant as you make it seem; Federer was still beating everyone he needed to get the season he did, and there's no shame losing 4 of the 5 matches to the number 2 guy, who was basically his nemesis. IIRC, it was only Nadal and Murray who beat Federer that year, and so while he has a worse record against the TOP 10, it's really only 1 guy in the top 10 who did the damage. The rest couldn't touch him.. that's the point I was making. It took his archnemesis and a subpar performance against Murray to cause him to lose 5 matches that year.
 
sadowsk2 said:
Um ok if you say so.... It's amazing the excuses you Fedards are resorting to.... Give the Djoker his due for having a GOAT single season
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best of 5 master finals are harder on the body and considering your princess has retired 2 times this season, it would have been a herculian effort to win 5 masters in best of 5.

Now that I took the time to educate you. use the knowledge wisely.

Even the WTF final was best of 5 back then and Nole hasnt yet won that either.
 
sonicare said:
best of 5 master finals are harder on the body and considering your princess has retired 2 times this season, it would have been a herculian effort to win 5 masters in best of 5.

Now that I took the time to educate you. use the knowledge wisely.

Even the WTF final was best of 5 back then and Nole hasnt yet won that either.
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Now let me educate you that Djoker has played more matches this year than Fed did.... And the fact that he's ALREADY beaten more Top 10 players with a better winning percentage vs TOp 10 speaks volumes... Now go back to school son
 
Djoke's 2011 year is probably>than any of Feds individual years.
Fed's resume is much much more impressive though and Djoke in my opinion won't be able to repeat this years performance to the point that he is comparable to Feds prime time
 
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