2008 Rafa vs 2013 Murray at Wimbledon

[Alchemist]

Hi Everyone

In 2008 King Rafa beat R.Federer in epic final ( Best in match in open era by analysts ) and captured his first Wimbledon Trophy ( 6-4 6-4 6-7 6-7 9-7).
In my opinion his 2008 performance was best performance at Wimbledon up to
This date ( Peak Rafa ) .

On the other hand A. Murray (O.B.E) beat N. Djokovic ( W. No 1 ) in straight sets to end 77 year draught for ' British Champion ' at wimbledon .
Most of the analysts here Murray was in peak form in 2013 With Victories at
Olympic ( Beat Federer ) And USO (Beat Djokovic ).

I personally not interested in this kind of discussions but I observed Members
are taking interst in these type threads , so I decided to make my contribution .

NOW 2008 R. Nadal vs 2013 Murray At wimbledon , Who will win

Before giving my opinion I want to give some details of Murray - Nadal Rivalry

Nadal leads H2H 13 -5 against Murray With 3-0 on Grass ( At Wimbledon )

Their last three Meetings on Grass

Wimbledon Q.F. 2008 , Nadal bt. Murray 6-3 6-2 6-4

Wimbledon S.F. 2010 Nadal beat Murray 6-4 7-6 6-4

Wimbledon S.F. 2011 Nadal beat Murray 5-7 6-2 6-2 6-4

All of Meetings were B.O.5 and NAdal won each of them to 9-1 set advantage over Murray on Grass.

But all meetings were before arrival of Lendl ( which is deciding factor for Murray at slams ) . Considering Murray much improved his Forehand in guidance of Lendl , I think Murray ( 2013) Can give tough fight to 2008 Nadal
but R.Federer ( 6 time Wimbledon Champion ) Was 2 sets to love Down against King Rafa and Almost lost in Four sets ( 2 MAtch points )
I think Rafa can win Four sets , If He Manages to take 2 -0 lead , It would be straight victory For King Rafa.

Please vote in pole ( Detailed pole with sets is Available)

 

[TheAnty-vic]

I think Rafa would win this one in 4 sets, with Murray taking the 3rd one!

 

[Alchemist]

I think Rafa would win this one in 4 sets, with Murray taking the 3rd one!

Thanks for your opinion and giving time

 

[mike danny]

Let's see if this one will have at least 10 pages like mine

 

[m2nk2]

Rafal no doubt. Even if Murray tanks the clay season he wouldn't beat 2008 Rafal.

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

probably Rafa in 4

 

[syc23]

Another bash the Murray thread.

Well done. Keep 'em coming.

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Another bash the Murray thread.

Well done. Keep 'em coming.

agree, i don't like this kind of thread at all

 

[jg153040]

Ok, I'll bite. It's a tough call. Because both were playing at a very high level. And this was Murray 2.0 who already was a GS champ and olympic champ and defeated Fed at W final (olympics), so he had very high self belief.

And Murray was more fresh skipping RG.

And Rafa in 2008 was nervous didn't have that much confidence because he never won W before. At that time Rafa never won anything outside of clay. Also Rafa would not have the momentum from beating Murray at RG two weeks before.

So, I go with Murray this time.

 

[tennis_pro]

I think 2008 Nadal is the only version that would beat 2013 Murray. Nadal in 2007/2010 would push it to the limit but I feel Murray would win those matches.

 

[Mainad]

Let's see if this one will have at least 10 pages like mine

Mike, the OP is Fastgrass back under another name. Please don't bother indulging his anti-Murray diatribes. He spends his entire time on here doing nothing else but create endless threads about Murray with the sole purpose of trying to attack and belittle him and trying to prove he can't possibly beat prime Federer, prime Nadal, prime Djokovic or pretty nearly any prime player you care to mention.

He is a notorious troll and will soon be banned yet again when the Mods spot he has slipped back onto the forum once more.

 

[Who Am I?]

^well his English seems to have improved a lot.

 

[Mainad]

^well his English seems to have improved a lot.

Pity his respect for Murray hasn't!

 

[Alchemist]

Mike, the OP is Fastgrass back under another name. Please don't bother indulging his anti-Murray diatribes. He spends his entire time on here doing nothing else but create endless threads about Murray with the sole purpose of trying to attack and belittle him and trying to prove he can't possibly beat prime Federer, prime Nadal, prime Djokovic or pretty nearly any prime player you care to mention.

He is a notorious troll and will soon be banned yet again when the Mods spot he has slipped back onto the forum once more.

I think 'OP' you have referred sounds ' Thread Starter '.
If this post was directed towards me , I must admit You are most inscrutable,
incomprehensible poster on this Forum .
I think you are same poster who made Illogical arguement 27%>31% , plus
looking at your signature ( Use of 'Sexy' word ) shows that your level of
Thoughts .

I respect ' Freedom Of Thoughts ' ( as said in signature ) , in this case I will
not going to give any respect for this ' Personal Attack'.

I have made 2 decisions regarding you

1) From next minute You are member of My ' Official Ignore List' ( which is only way to stop trolls as I asked Officials )

2) I will Send E-Mail to officials for defamation ( Detailed Report).

I am big Fan of Nelson Mandela , so I request you to ask for pardon ,
I Will Forgive you , for sure.

 

[Homeboy Hotel]

Murray's 2013 Wimbledon form seemed slightly more convincing than looking at a Nadal performance where Nadal already had Federer's number.

I think Murray was far more driven mentally to win this tournament and I think the crowd would've hindered Nadal. So Murray in 4.

 

[Mustard]

Nadal at 2008 Wimbledon was very confident, determined, and had a load of momentum behind him from winning so many matches in a row, including the Queen's Club title. Of course he wins. He certainly gave a tennis clinic against 2008 Murray, in one of his best performances ever on grass.

 

[Alchemist]

Let's see if this one will have at least 10 pages like mine

Honestly pesonally I am not interested in this Kind of threads ( comparing peak
players) but I didn't start this thread to compete with Your thread .

But I just want to know thoughts of Members on ' level of play ' of Two Wimbledon Champions in the same era . ( Regardless of Result of Match)

Honestly I don't care No pages in the thread , I usually prefers 'Quality' over
'Quantity' ( I just don't want Hopeless Arguements in My thread , Like we observed in Your Thread like 27% >31% or Murray would get Bagelled for Example)

Thanks for giving time for my thread ( It's duty of every 'Thread Starter'
to say "Thanks" to all the posters Who have given their Valuable time
for 'T.S.' But I observed it hardly happens here)

 

[Alchemist]

Nadal at 2008 Wimbledon was very confident, determined, and had a load of momentum behind him from winning so many matches in a row, including the Queen's Club title. Of course he wins. He certainly gave a tennis clinic against 2008 Murray, in one of his best performances ever on grass.

I am very much agree with you for this , In 2008 Rafa won his First Title in April 26 ( Monte Carlo , Beat Federer 7-5 7-5 in Final) And Go on winning and ended with 8 titles ( Which includes Titles at M.C , Barcelona, Hamburg ,R.G., Artois Championsip,Wimbledon , Toronto, Olympics)

WHich means Rafa won 8 titles during span of 26 April to 17 August ( Not Sure about Date of Olympics) . 8 Titles during span of 3 months and 21 days made that season one of the best season in the History of Tennis ( Acc. to DUECE also , Special article about that , available on ATP Website)

Peak Rafael nadal on Grass surely more better , confident Player than A.Murray in My opinion ( 2008 season shows this.)

 

[batz]

^well his English seems to have improved a lot.

Not really - the punctuation and sentence structure is a dead giveaway. How many people do you know who hit 'spacebar' before a full stop?

He's a closet racist who hates Murray because of his nationality. Everything else flows from this. If Murray was anything but British, Fastgrass(N) wouldn't post about him.

 

[Morj]

Murray's not taking a set from Rafa...
1) Nadal regularly demolishes Murray on grass.
2) Even Federer only barely managed to win sets against Nadal in 2008, he won his 2 sets in tie-breaks. I don't see how Murray will win a set

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

I am very much agree with you for this

I agree
You agree
He agrees
etc.

no need to use the auxiliary "to be".

I don't know what is your native language but french people usually make this mistake, because in french we use the auxiliary "to be" in this case.

Welcome by the way

 

[syc23]

Murray's not taking a set from Rafa...
1) Nadal regularly demolishes Murray on grass.
2) Even Federer only barely managed to win sets against Nadal in 2008, he won his 2 sets in tie-breaks. I don't see how Murray will win a set

Don't forget the 2008 version of baby Murray smashed Nadal out of USO SF only a couple of months later. What makes you think 2013 slam winning Murray would not have taken care of him?

 

[Morj]

Don't forget the 2008 version of baby Murray smashed Nadal out of USO SF only a couple of months later. What makes you think 2013 slam winning Murray would not have taken care of him?

Why bring up irrelevant information? Hard Courts have always been Murray's best surface, USO has been arguably Murray's best slam, and back in 2008 Fast Hard Courts were Nadal's absolute worst surface.

Maybe if you actually read the thread and my post you would realize we are actually talking about Wimbledon and grass court tennis

 

[90's Clay]

2013 Murray couldn't even handle 2007 or 2010 Rafa at wimbledon. Nevermind 2008 Nadal

Hell he would probably struggle with 2006 Nadal in his 4th or 5th grass court tournament ever

 

[Incognito]

I don't know if 2008 Rafa would have beaten 2013 Murray at wimbledon. I mean, Andy with a broken back basically crushed peak djoker in that final lol.

I'd give a slight edge to Andy, but could go either way..

 

[Who Am I?]

I think Murray will use the 100% crowd support in his advantage and defeat Rafa in like 5 sets. It's not Nadal is gonna get cheered by some fans like Federer did in last year's final. Rafa would have almost no support whatsoever and that will annoy the Spanish bull and inspire the talented Scot to glory.

 

[Graf=GOAT]

Murray is terrible at returning Nadal's serve on grass. Nadal in 4 or 5.

 

[downdaline]

I watched both matches and I think Rafa would have a comfortable win over Murray.

Grass tends to favor the agressor, and 2008 Rafa pulled the trigger a lot earlier than 2013 Murray.

2008 Rafa was also a lot more aggressive on his strokes than 2013 Murray, who usually required at least 2-3 shots to get into a rally and hit a winner/forcing shot.

 

[Tenez101]

People underestimating Murray AGAIN. Dude was solid in this year's Wimbledon final (until the very last game) and ain't afraid of Nadal (unlike some players). Plus, when Murray's on, he matches up relatively well with Nadal. Still, Rafa in 5.

 

[Graf=GOAT]

People underestimating Murray AGAIN. Dude was solid in this year's Wimbledon final (until the very last game) and ain't afraid of Nadal (unlike some players). Plus, when Murray's on, he matches up relatively well with Nadal. Still, Rafa in 5.

Murray nearly lost to Verdasco this year. That's what you call solid?

 

[Tenez101]

Murray nearly lost to Verdasco this year. That's what you call solid?

Nadal nearly lost to Verdasco in the AO '09 semi. Verdasco can be a nightmare for top players when he's on fire and is under no pressure.

 

[Mustard]

People underestimating Murray AGAIN. Dude was solid in this year's Wimbledon final (until the very last game) and ain't afraid of Nadal (unlike some players). Plus, when Murray's on, he matches up relatively well with Nadal. Still, Rafa in 5.

I also think people underestimate just how good Nadal was on grass in 2008. When he played Murray at 2008 Wimbledon, he really took him apart. It was pretty brutal when I watched it recently. Man against boy.

 

[90's Clay]

Nadal toyed with Murray in 2010 at wimbledon as well. Murray was impressive at wimbledon this year, but nothing like Peak grass Nadal impressive.

Nadal is nightmare matchup for Murray as well on grass lets not forget

 

[Mustard]

Nadal toyed with Murray in 2010 at wimbledon as well. Murray was impressive at wimbledon this year, but nothing like Peak grass Nadal impressive.

Nadal is nightmare matchup for Murray as well on grass lets not forget

Their 2010 Wimbledon was tight and tense all the way through. Murray had some chances against Nadal at 2010 Wimbledon, but blew them. Nadal showed bravery in going for risky shots at crucial moments. Nadal sucked up what Murray was throwing at him, and responded at the crucial moments. Their 2011 Wimbledon match was different in the sense that Murray was playing his best in the first set and early in the second set, and then went into meltdown for the rest of the match after knocking that easy forehand long. It was a meltdown in Bad Goran style.

 

[helloworld]

Nadal 2008 was his absolute peak on grass. 2013 Murray, despite being pretty good on grass, has very little chance.

 

[abmk]

rafa in 4 sets probably ...

now 2012 Wimbledon murray vs 2008 nadal would be more interesting ... could go to 5 ...

 

[monfed]

Murray in 4/5.

 

[monfed]

I think Murray will use the 100% crowd support in his advantage and defeat Rafa in like 5 sets. It's not Nadal is gonna get cheered by some fans like Federer did in last year's final. Rafa would have almost no support whatsoever and that will annoy the Spanish bull and inspire the talented Scot to glory.

I agree, peak Murray > peak Ralph on grass.

 

[Alchemist]

Nadal nearly lost to Verdasco in the AO '09 semi. Verdasco can be a nightmare for top players when he's on fire and is under no pressure.

King Rafa was not close to his best level of play, specially on Hard Courts.
Nadal's Peak performance on Hard court was 2010 USO.
Everybody Knows Nadal's best surface is Clay ( 8 R.G. Titles) , To Murray's Grass. I Don't remember single match in which He was stretched in 5 sets by
unknown ( Verdasco in This Case) on clay in his peak period ( 2008 , 2010).
But He bagelled R.Federer in Final of 2008 R.G. ( 6-1 6-3 6-0).

 

[edberg volleys]

I don't know if 2008 Rafa would have beaten 2013 Murray at wimbledon. I mean, Andy with a broken back basically crushed peak djoker in that final lol.


I'd give a slight edge to Andy, but could go either way..

Yeah right, lol.

I think Murray will use the 100% crowd support in his advantage and defeat Rafa in like 5 sets. It's not Nadal is gonna get cheered by some fans like Federer did in last year's final. Rafa would have almost no support whatsoever and that will annoy the Spanish bull and inspire the talented Scot to glory.

Gotta disagree. Although I don't like Nadal generally (I m RF-fan) I gotta admire his mental toughness and fighting spirit. He don't care about the crowd support, IMO. I think Nadal would be a nightmare opponent to Murray when they both are hunting their first title at Wimbledon.

 

[batz]

2013 Murray couldn't even handle 2007 or 2010 Rafa at wimbledon. Nevermind 2008 Nadal

Hell he would probably struggle with 2006 Nadal in his 4th or 5th grass court tournament ever

Given that you previously asserted that Murray would never win a slam, I'll take your pearls of wisdom with a large dose of sodium chloride.

 

[Alchemist]

Their 2010 Wimbledon was tight and tense all the way through. Murray had some chances against Nadal at 2010 Wimbledon, but blew them. Nadal showed bravery in going for risky shots at crucial moments. Nadal sucked up what Murray was throwing at him, and responded at the crucial moments. Their 2011 Wimbledon match was different in the sense that Murray was playing his best in the first set and early in the second set, and then went into meltdown for the rest of the match after knocking that easy forehand long. It was a meltdown in Bad Goran style.

Their 2010 match was more enretaining than 2011 in my opinion. Level of play was sky high in second set Tie-Breaker ( Which Rafa won ).
Murray have his own chances in 2nd set but blew all of them as you said.
King Rafa always prefers big shots at important moment ( Like 2013 USO Final 4-5 , 0-40 Down , Rafa Hit huge Forehand Winner to Djokovic's Backhand return).
Good Shot selection on important is speciality of Rafa's game , that's why he
is GOAT candidate.

Now 2011 clash , Murray played best Tennis in First set and took it 7-5 , but
after that Rafa executed his game well to win next three sets comfortably
(6-2 6-2 6-3). In my opinion this is Weakness of 'Less Error Play' , when your
opponent is on fire you can just watch getting destroyed by ' Attacking Players' ( In this case Rafa is much better 'counter puncher' than Murray).

 

[Alchemist]

Acc. to 82% of Members here 2008 King Rafa will beat 2008 A. Murray. Acc. to 31% members this will be a straight set victory ,
Acc. to 44% this will be 4 set victory for Rafa and 7% thinks 5 set
victory for Rafa.
While 18% thinks Murray willl beat Rafa in this case.

This is same we observed in 2005 Federer vs 2013 Murray thread
almost 90% posters agree with that Federer will beat Murray and
now 82% saying Rafa will beat Murray.

This leads to conclusion that level of Tennis Dropped in last few
years , which is bad news for Tennis. I think this is happening
as Today's Tennis lacks ' Young Stars '.