2008 Wimbledon final Nadal vs 2011 Wimbledon final Djokovic on grass, who wins?

Who wins?

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HoyaPride said:
Fed fans were very busted up by Wimby 2008. No wonder they keep revising history. One fan was so devastated he decided to write a poem about it.

wimbledon 2008

enduring in dull, fading light as the sun finally sinks away…
pain flickers…
surfacing momentarily in shimmering eyes,
in a steely-set jaw
trying to smile,

regret trumps satisfaction after an epic struggle;
victory was close enough that
he feels its phantom embrace
and longs to draw it inside
where it belongs…

the distant dance mocks his sorrow
as he follows the familiar rhythm of triumph
so long his leading lady…now in the arms of another;
the vision haunts…as sorrow rips a corner
of his soul and the shudder of loss is almost overwhelming…

in the fading glow, he bows to his opponent
praising his ability and his will,
stepping aside, bending his light, as the roar of the crowd
honors the winner…

millions watch his nobility with wretched understanding….
familiar with devastation and defeat,
sensing the invisible scars and the silent tears
of the inestimable champion…

as we weep for him, we cry for ourselves;
for all of us who suffer defeat
daily in lethal doses,
we, who will never soar nor embrace perfection…

for he has carried us all in his graceful dance along baselines;
where we dig, dip, chip and slice,
creating implausible angles and breathtaking shots
with agility, dignity and spell-binding ability…

we who lead paltry lives devoid of fame and glory
cling to this champion,
shamelessly sharing his glory and fortifying our self-worth
as he lifts each trophy and gently kisses it…

the noble spaniard who
bludgeoned his way through center court…
purloined the trophy; but he never quite captured our hearts
for he does not elevate aesthetics or skirt the surface of lawns…
he grinds and pounds and bullies until there is nothing left
but red dust and the decay of artistry….
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LOL where you did you find this???

:lol: at the bolded bit.
 
NatF said:
I find it odd how Rafa fans are so hateful. Very little reason to be so.
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I'm not a Rafa fan. Nor am I hateful. I just find it amusing that someone can get wrapped up in a man who...

1. Doesn't know they exist.
2. Isn't sharing any of his money with them.

Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal don't give a crap about you so why do any of you guys give a crap about them? Didn't you guys learn anything from Sonny in A Bronx Tale?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLWD3eWjD4k

"If your father can't pay his rent, then what's Mickey Mantle gonna do? You should care as much about Mickey Mantle as he cares about you."
 
HoyaPride said:
I'm not a Rafa fan. Nor am I hateful. I just find it amusing that someone can get wrapped up in a man who...

1. Doesn't know they exist.
2. Isn't sharing any of his money with them.

Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal don't give a crap about you so why do any of you guys give a crap about them? Didn't you guys learn anything from Sonny in A Bronx Tale?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLWD3eWjD4k

"If your father can't pay his rent, then what's Mickey Mantle gonna do? You should care as much about Mickey Mantle as he cares about you."
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You evidently give as much of a crap as any of us judging by your posts. If you're not a fan of Rafa than you're just **** stirring.
 
TMF said:
Speaking of if if if if if if if ....., Nadal fans use it more often than any fan base on this forum, so I wouldn't bother to complain if I was you.
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lmao are you serious ? :lol: :lol:

fed fans use it way way more, there is no contest.

Anyway, even if (:lol:) it was the case, why should i not bother to complain?
 
This discussion is sad, put either in the 90's grass tennis era on traditional grass and they would struggle to make the quarters.

Clearly Nadal was near his best and full of confidence, so was Djokovic but Nadal played the best match ever on slow high bounce grass.
 
Is this a real question? :) 2007/2008 Rafa would have smoked any version of Djokovic on grass.He was playing the best tennis of his career and going toe to toe with probably the greatest grasscourter of all time in Federer.The 2011 version was really bad,already past his prime on grass.Now grass is Rafa's worst surface.I don't think we'll ever see him dominant on this surface again which is a shame because he doesn't deserve losing in the first rounds of Wimbledon.He has played five finals there so it's sad seeing him decline so drastically there.
 
2007 and 2008 Wimbledon Nadal wins in 4 sets. 2010 Wimbledon Nadal wins in 5 sets. The only reason it is even that competitive is Djokovic being such a bad matchup and having a mental edge over Nadal at times. Nadal is twice the grass court player at his best.
 
Djokovic of 2011 isn't losing to ANY version of Nadal on ANY surface. Nadal served at 81% in the 2011 final and STILL lost the first set. So what's Nadal gonna do? Serve better? Hit harder? Run faster? lol, OK

You'd think that after 6 straight losses, people would have gotten the memo by now.
 
Tony48 said:
Djokovic of 2011 isn't losing to ANY version of Nadal on ANY surface. Nadal served at 81% in the 2011 final and STILL lost the first set. So what's Nadal gonna do? Serve better? Hit harder? Run faster? lol, OK

You'd think that after 6 straight losses, people would have gotten the memo by now.
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Ignorance at it's absolute finest. You understand that Nadal in 2011 was playing nowhere near his best tennis, right? And even then it wasn't like Djokovic was steamrolling him.

To say that no version of Nadal on any surface could beat 2011 Djokovic is just pure idiocy.
 
Crose said:
Ignorance at it's absolute finest. You understand that Nadal in 2011 was playing nowhere near his best tennis, right? And even then it wasn't like Djokovic was steamrolling him.

To say that no version of Nadal on any surface could beat 2011 Djokovic is just pure idiocy.
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I like how just like me, you provided stats to support your conclusion.

Oh wait....
 
Tony48 said:
Djokovic of 2011 isn't losing to ANY version of Nadal on ANY surface.
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Yeah so 2011 Djokovic would beat Nadal of 2008 at Roland Garros too I bet, LOL! April Fools is long past, we are in November now.

The 1st set of the 2011 final was the only good set of tennis. From there both players went downhill fast, but Nadal even moreso. By the 4th set both were missing easy balls that were probably being made in the junior final. Djokovic did not play an unbelievable grass court match, just a very good 1st set.
 
Agree 100% with Tony48. Bravo!

I have to repeat again. It is unbelievable how much is Djokovic underrated and Nadal overrated on this board. Just unbelievable.
 
Tony48 said:
Djokovic of 2011 isn't losing to ANY version of Nadal on ANY surface. Nadal served at 81% in the 2011 final and STILL lost the first set. So what's Nadal gonna do? Serve better? Hit harder? Run faster? lol, OK

You'd think that after 6 straight losses, people would have gotten the memo by now.
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Lol, Nadal was serving like 96% in the first set, and STILL got broken to lose it. Djokovic was in god-mode.
 
Steve0904 said:
He might even win in 2007 form as well.
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Nadal played better in 2007. In 2008 he just consistently hit to Federer's backhand and Federer himself played worse than the year before, with his confidence shaken by AO 2008, RG 2008 and the overall disastrous year of 2008 that started with him getting sick with mononucleosis.

After USO 2007, Darth Federer was never the same player again.

fed+us+open+2007.jpg


Federer-Quarter-Final-Streak.jpg
 
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Netspirit said:
Nadal played better in 2007. In 2008 he just consistently hit to Federer's backhand and Federer himself played worse than the year before, with his confidence shaken by AO 2008, Miami 2008, RG 2008 and the overall disastrous year of 2008.
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I think most people say he played better 2007. The reason why some say 2008 was better is because he won that year. If peak Federer had a chance to play Nadal and beat him in 2008, I think they will say 2007 is better too.
 
Tony48 said:
I like how just like me, you provided stats to support your conclusion.

Oh wait....
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You lost all credibility the second you wrote that 2011 Djokovic beats any form of Nadal on any surface. If you seriously believe that, I sincerely hope you go back and watch tennis before 2011.
 
Wim said:
I dont think Djoker would have beaten 2008 Fed Wimbledon either.
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Of course he wouldn't have. Djokovic is the worst grass courter of the big 4. Nadal's form has been incredibly poor these past couple years. But when he was on, I'd take him 2nd out of the big 4, after Fed.
 
MichaelNadal said:
Seriously dude. It's old now. Maybe people actually know what they're talking about. Peak Nadal is better than Djokovic on grass, it's not even really a discussion, which the poll confirms.
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That's not the point, the point is that Djokovic at a high level is nearly an impossible matchup for Nadal. I mean, come on, since Djokovic stepped up in 2011, Nadal has found it very tough to beat Djokovic - even on clay. It's only this year at the US Open Nadal was able to beat Djokovic on a hard court since US Open 2010. I'd say Djokovic wins but Nadal at this point is the better grasscourter. I think Nadal in 2007 would fare better against Djokovic 2011 on grass (seriously I think Nadal's 2007 Wimbledon was frikkin' awesome given scheduling and his final performance, even more so than 2008). Nadal in 2008 got taken very close against Djokovic in 2008 at Queens. At that point in time, Djokovic was nothing compared to what he is now, especially on grass. Even in 2007 when Djokovic was on one foot at Wimbledon he was able to push Nadal.
 
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