2009 US Open champ Svetlana Kuznetsova unable to defend her Washington title due to being denied an American visa

This is probably, in part, a result of the extra restrictions that the current US President has enacted about Visa's for people. I wouldn't be surprised if she somehow flagged in the system and was denied for some dumb arbitrary reason. Guessing her previous Visa expired and the new process is taking longer for her than expected, preventing her from playing.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Hopefully this gets fixed and she manages to get a visa in time for the US Open. Problem is, being unable to defend her title means she loses half of her points so she’ll plummet down to #192 in the rankings...
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
This is probably, in part, a result of the extra restrictions that the current US President has enacted about Visa's for people. I wouldn't be surprised if she somehow flagged in the system and was denied for some dumb arbitrary reason. Guessing her previous Visa expired and the new process is taking longer for her than expected, preventing her from playing.
I’m trying to read up more on it and it looks like it maybe wasn’t denied but nothing has happened and it’s still pending. (This is as assumption). Appears she’s been waiting since February. Bizarre.
 
I’m trying to read up more on it and it looks like it maybe wasn’t denied but nothing has happened and it’s still pending? (Guessing here). Appears she’s been waiting since February. Bizarre.
There are new rules and restrictions around getting Visa's to work in the US that Trump put in place in an effort to curtail and curb illegal immigration. Basically its now a lot harder to get Visa's then it previously was and I'm guessing Svetlana is caught up the red tape of the new rules. I wonder how many other players are going to get trapped up in this like her? It seems she didn't do anything wrong and went through the due process...its just taking forever.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
There are new rules and restrictions around getting Visa's to work in the US that Trump put in place in an effort to curtail and curb illegal immigration. Basically its now a lot harder to get Visa's then it previously was and I'm guessing Svetlana is caught up the red tape of the new rules. I wonder how many other players are going to get trapped up in this like her? It seems she didn't do anything wrong and went through the due process...its just taking forever.
I recently worked in the US for 8 months and when applying for the job was told that the visa process now takes at least an extra month since the Trump administration came in but in the end it took about 2-3 months for me. If it’s almost 6 for her that’s insane and the fact she’s a high profile tennis player. Not a good look. Defending champion as well!
 
I recently worked in the US for 8 months and when applying for the job was told that the visa process now takes at least an extra month since the Trump administration came in but in the end it took about 2-3 months for me. If it’s almost 6 for her that’s insane and the fact she’s a high profile tennis player. Not a good look. Defending champion as well!
Part of it may be that she is Russian given the huge controversy going on here in the USA thats actually at the forefront of our news at the moment about Russian election interference. Our President has always however seemed very buddy buddy with Russia so I'd be surprised, but that could be part of it. Given how high profile she is they are probably really digging into her background, and given the amount of travel she does I would not be surprised also if any of her stops for Tennis somehow flag as suspicious under the new system. It stinks for her and for all foreign players because I have a feeling she will be the first of many to fall pray to this
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
I think it just Russian diplomat talking to State Department official! Otherwise, Putin could talk to President Trump to fix Svetlana Kuznetsova visa. I think President Trump has met Svetlana Kuznetsova in person. He is a big tennis fan but has not been invited to attend the U.S. Open since 2016! Before that, it was his usually tennis tournament and got celebrity box seating for free!
 
I think it just Russian diplomat talking to State Department official! Otherwise, Putin could talk to President Trump to fix Svetlana Kuznetsova visa. I think President Trump has met Svetlana Kuznetsova in person. He is a big tennis fan but has not been invited to attend the U.S. Open since 2016! Before that, it was his usually tennis tournament and got celebrity box seating for free!
I think he has been busy doing other things rather than attending the US Open since 2016... If he wanted an invite to the tournament I don't think he'd have too much of a problem since most of the lower level boxes are owned by big business fat cats, which love him... And besides being busy as President of the United States, I don't think his ego could handle the negative response he would get from the crowd when he showed up. I was at the final in 2005, and when Bill O'Reiley was shown on the jumbotron, he was booed mercilessly, I'm sure it would be 10 times worse for President Trump.
 

deaner2211

Semi-Pro
There are new rules and restrictions around getting Visa's to work in the US that Trump put in place in an effort to curtail and curb illegal immigration. Basically its now a lot harder to get Visa's then it previously was and I'm guessing Svetlana is caught up the red tape of the new rules. I wonder how many other players are going to get trapped up in this like her? It seems she didn't do anything wrong and went through the due process...its just taking forever.
What does illegal immigration has to do with work visas? Illegals do not seek work visas.
 
What does illegal immigration has to do with work visas? Illegals do not seek work visas.
Because there are many people that come to the US with work visa's and when the expire they just stay and do not attempt to renew the Visa or leave the country, thus meaning they are then here illegally after the expiration of their visa and no in process attempt to renew it. Many people follow the rules, however in an attempt to combat the small proportion of people who do not, insane new rules have been put in place making it harder for everyone
 
There are new rules and restrictions around getting Visa's to work in the US that Trump put in place in an effort to curtail and curb illegal immigration. Basically its now a lot harder to get Visa's then it previously was and I'm guessing Svetlana is caught up the red tape of the new rules. I wonder how many other players are going to get trapped up in this like her? It seems she didn't do anything wrong and went through the due process...its just taking forever.
Doesn't trump like Russians? Can't he spin a deal with his friend Putin?
 
Doesn't trump like Russians? Can't he spin a deal with his friend Putin?
He does..but the new rules I THINK...and here I may be wrong...have a list of countries that if you have traveled to them or are from them, make it INSANELY hard to get visa's. Svetlana might really have hit a brick wall because she entered a tennis tournament somewhere that flags something. Clearly thats not doing anything wrong but that climate here in the USA in regards to this is really toxic.
 

deaner2211

Semi-Pro
Because there are many people that come to the US with work visa's and when the expire they just stay and do not attempt to renew the Visa or leave the country, thus meaning they are then here illegally after the expiration of their visa and no in process attempt to renew it. Many people follow the rules, however in an attempt to combat the small proportion of people who do not, insane new rules have been put in place making it harder for everyone
That is not illegal immigration that is visa overstays not the same.
 
That is not illegal immigration that is visa overstays not the same.
That isn't the definition applied by current US Republican controlled government policy and the president who set the rules. Anyone not a citizen who has no documentation to prove they are allowed to be here is considered illegal, even more so if they come from certain countries. I know full well they are not the same, that doesn't mean that the way the government chooses to apply the rules becomes different. That is one of the core issues at the center of the US immigration debate right now actually...and is probably a much larger issue then the direct subject matter of this thread. Probably best to stop here otherwise the mods may remove the thread if it delves into Rant vs Rave territory.
 

Chadalina

Legend
There's overlap.

Once your visa expires and you overstay (work under the table, live here, etc) you are technically considered an illegal immigrant at that point.
Ya it sucks, ive had to take many friends to the airport because they did it the right way (gov is really slow). One buddy had his little brother sent back when yugoslavia when times werent good.

They are all american citizens now.
 

TennisFan3

Legend
So Djokovic can be out of UO too ?
I know few who wouldn't mind.
There is no government in the world that would deny giving a visa at a world #1, holder of the last 4 out of 5 slams, and possibly the future undisputed GOAT.
No one would watch Tennis if that happened.
I don't think Novak would need a visa for US anyway.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Doesn't trump like Russians? Can't he spin a deal with his friend Putin?
That's what I was thinking. Surely Vlad could appeal to his best buddy in the White House to get Svetlana in. Or has she offended her almighty president in some way in which case she's probably screwed?
 

OhYes

Legend
There is no government in the world that would deny giving a visa at a world #1, holder of the last 4 out of 5 slams, and possibly the future undisputed GOAT.
No one would watch Tennis if that happened.
I don't think Novak would need a visa for US anyway.
Just kidding :)
 

haqq777

Legend
Because there are many people that come to the US with work visa's and when the expire they just stay and do not attempt to renew the Visa or leave the country, thus meaning they are then here illegally after the expiration of their visa and no in process attempt to renew it. Many people follow the rules, however in an attempt to combat the small proportion of people who do not, insane new rules have been put in place making it harder for everyone
I see your point but I think you probably meant people who come in on visit visas. The work visa (H1) requires sponsorship by an employer who has gotten labor approval etc from Dept of Labor, given job ads in classifieds to see other eligible US citizens don't qualify for that job etc, and the whole process is long and has a lot of red tape involved. A work visa holder can not get a professional job of that level since all employers do background and work eligibility checks etc. You can get your H1 transferred to another employer but once you are out of status, you can't get a professional level job without valid visa.

Off course under the table jobs are an option but a professional used to earning 80K or so USD working 9-5, is not going to be too enticed by the prospect of working at a gas station making $10 per hour cash under the table.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
There are new rules and restrictions around getting Visa's to work in the US that Trump put in place in an effort to curtail and curb illegal immigration. Basically its now a lot harder to get Visa's then it previously was and I'm guessing Svetlana is caught up the red tape of the new rules. I wonder how many other players are going to get trapped up in this like her? It seems she didn't do anything wrong and went through the due process...its just taking forever.
So, what's not preventing all of the other non-American players from routinely working by playing events in this country?
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
I see. Another reason not to visit the US again. At least untiltil the Orange dude is off the White House.

I have nice memories of NJ and Virginia. I would love to go there again, but will wait until Trump is out of the office.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe she has been travelling to countries like Iran or something. You don’t get a travel and sometimes not even work visa.
Happened to someone in my family. Been to Iran for work, declined travel visa to USA.
 

Tshooter

Legend
...
I don't think Novak would need a visa for US anyway.
Why ? I don’t see Serbia listed:

https://www.dhs.gov/visa-waiver-program-requirements

Which type he wants you would have to ask Pepe but I would think he could get an O-1 Visa with no issues. I think for up to three years at a clip but call a local immigration lawyer, if you need one.

If you’re from the Soviet Union there seem to be some visa delays recently: :unsure:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/07/26/russia-demands-us-end-discriminatory-athlete-visa-snubs-a66592
 
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Tshooter

Legend
I see. Another reason not to visit the US again. At least untiltil the Orange dude is off the White House.

I have nice memories of NJ and Virginia. I would love to go there again, but will wait until Trump is out of the office.
You may be waiting another 6 years. :cry: Who POTUS is would probably not impact your trip. ;)
 
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ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
I see. Another reason not to visit the US again. At least untiltil the Orange dude is off the White House.

I have nice memories of NJ and Virginia. I would love to go there again, but will wait until Trump is out of the office.
Lol! The U.S. is 99.9% exactly the same whether Obama, Trump, Clinton, Bush, Bush Sr., etc., etc., are in office.
 

Tshooter

Legend
... He is a big tennis fan but has not been invited to attend the U.S. Open since 2016! Before that, it was his usually tennis tournament and got celebrity box seating for free!
His company has a corporate suite in Ashe and the suites are very far from free. He is a big fan of the tournament. He would go over to Armstrong for a good match instead of hanging out in the suite. (y)
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Why ? I don’t see Serbia listed:

https://www.dhs.gov/visa-waiver-program-requirements

Which type he wants you would have to ask Pepe but I would think he could get an O-1 Visa with no issues. I think for up to three years at a clip but call a local immigration lawyer, if you need one.

If you’re from the Soviet Union there seem to be some visa delays recently: :unsure:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/07/26/russia-demands-us-end-discriminatory-athlete-visa-snubs-a66592
Interesting that Czech Republic and Hungary are on the list but not Poland!!!
 

Tshooter

Legend
What the heck is "a non-immigrant visa refusal rate"? :unsure:
US has two general types of visa: immigrant visa (you want permanent residency) and non-immigrant (temporary: tourists, business, students, athletes, entertainers etc..).

The non-immigrant visa refusal rate would be the rate at which the US rejects applicants for non-immigrant visa from a particular country and presumably a higher rate indicates a country with a greater risk of people over-staying their visa's. So one factor considered when determining which countries are part of the visa waiver program is the "non-immigrant visa refusal rate" the idea being I guess is that you don't want countries in the waiver program where there is a high risk people don't go home.

Make sense ?

(I hope it goes without saying if the consular officer thinks you will overstay (or that you will use your visa for other than it's intended purpose) then you won't get a visa (there is an appeal process). So presumably there are a lot of on the ground day-to-day evaluations by consular officials whose collective "wisdom" winds up reflected in the refusal rate.)

I only skimmed it but I believe that author was suggesting the actual overstay rate is what we should focus on: "But a better metric [than the non-immigrant visa refusal rate] to focus on is the visa overstay rate, which more accurately measures the risk of individuals overstaying their visas."
 
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Tshooter

Legend
Utterly disgusting.
How can you make a judgement if you can't possibly have any idea of the facts ? :whistle:

Maybe someone just messed up. It happens. Either her side or the US side. It sounds like someone at a high level stepped up to try to fix it for her which would not happen for the average citizen from the Soviet Union.
 
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Mainad

Bionic Poster
US has two general types of visa: immigrant visa (you want permanent residency) and non-immigrant (temporary: tourists, business, students, athletes, entertainers etc..).

The non-immigrant visa refusal rate would be the rate at which the US rejects applicants for non-immigrant visa from a particular country and presumably a higher rate indicates a country with a greater risk of people over-staying their visa's. So one factor considered when determining which countries are part of the visa waiver program is the "non-immigrant visa refusal rate" the idea being I guess is that you don't want countries in the waiver program where there is a high risk people don't go home.

(I hope it goes without saying if the consular officer thinks you will overstay (or that you will use your visa for other than it's intended purpose) then you won't get a visa.)

Make sense ?

I only skimmed it but I believe that author was suggesting the actual overstay rate is what we should focus on: "But a better metric [than the non-immigrant visa refusal rate] to focus on is the visa overstay rate, which more accurately measures the risk of individuals overstaying their visas."
Thanks. How do they assess a country's "non-immigranr visa refusal rate"? Are there stats that show that Poles are more likely to overstay their welcome than Czechs and Hungarians for instance?
 
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