2009 US Open Quarterfinals

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tvp900

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The draw may not be out yet and it's really too early to make predictions, but I want to know what everyone thinks will happen from the quarters on. Make up a draw if you want to, based on the current rankings. This is mine:

Federer v. Soderling
Djokovic v. Cilic
Murray v. Verdasco
Nadal v. Roddick

Federer v. Cilic
Murray v. Roddick

Roddick def. Federer

I had Roddick beat Federer because he's going to play as well as in Wimbledon, and he'll have the crowd on his side along with the faster surface of AA Stadium.
 
Soderling def. Tsonga
Gasquet def. Djokovic
Del Potro def. Murray
Nadal def. Verdasco

Soderling def. Gasquet
Nadal def. Del Potro

Nadal def. Soderling

This is all after Soderling beats Federer in the 4th round, of course.
 
tudwell said:
Soderling def. Tsonga
Gasquet def. Djokovic
Del Potro def. Murray
Nadal def. Verdasco

Soderling def. Gasquet
Nadal def. Del Potro

Nadal def. Soderling

This is all after Soderling beats Federer in the 4th round, of course.
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gasquet in the semis? hmmmm.
 
in the quarters.....

Federer
Tsonga
Djokovic
Murray
Verdasco
Blake
Roddick

out no later than the 4th round.....Nadal
 
Here is my belief. If Roddick and Federer meet at all, Roddick wins. If Nadal and Soderling meet, Rafa kicks his butt. Cant see Murray loosing to anyone not in the top 6. Del Po will make at least the QF. Verdasco will go out early.
 
notice I left the 8th spot open?.....I'd love to add Nadal to that mix, but I just don't think he is going to bounce back so quickly...
 
clayman2000 said:
Here is my belief. If Roddick and Federer meet at all, Roddick wins. If Nadal and Soderling meet, Rafa kicks his butt. Cant see Murray loosing to anyone not in the top 6. Del Po will make at least the QF. Verdasco will go out early.
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Where is the logic in this, Soderling is in great form and took Nadal out on his best surface. He is a horrible matchup for Nadal and if he beats him on a surface as fast the US Open centre court, I don't think any of us would be shocked by that "upset"
 
shawn1122 said:
Where is the logic in this, Soderling is in great form and took Nadal out on his best surface. He is a horrible matchup for Nadal and if he beats him on a surface as fast the US Open centre court, I don't think any of us would be shocked by that "upset"
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Its not logic... its feel.

Soderling will likely be a top 8 player by year end. That being said Nadal is not an average player. Nadal is hungry, look what he has done to Blake and Berdych since he was loosing to them. He turned it around. I still feel that Soderling can be very attackable on outdoor courts. Like ive said constantly, Soderling needs time to windup his FH, if you can take time away, like Fed did at Wimby, you can force him to make UE;s by him rushing his strokes
 
was there any real competition there at a clay event before the hard court season gets going?....other than the usual suspects......spanish players who will play anything on clay when the best aren't around to try to get a tournament win?
 
clayman2000 said:
Here is my belief.
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If Roddick and Federer meet at all, Roddick wins.
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Disagree 200 times over. I certainly wouldnt mind that result but no way I expect it. After seeing Roddick play the tennis of his life and still lose the Wimbledon final to Federer, I dont see Roddick ever beating Federer in a slam.

If Nadal and Soderling meet, Rafa kicks his butt.
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I would like that to happen but I doubt very much it would be that easy, especialy on a fast hard court.

Cant see Murray loosing to anyone not in the top 6.
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I agree.

Del Po will make at least the QF.
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I agree.

Verdasco will go out early.
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Define "early"? I dont see him going out before the round of 16, though I could see him going out that round to a lower seed.
 
I never thought I would want to see another Nadal-Fed final part 21123412442, until now.... Make it happen..

I pray Nadal's kneecaps stay in place until the fiinals
 
anointedone said:
Disagree 200 times over. I certainly wouldnt mind that result but no way I expect it. After seeing Roddick play the tennis of his life and still lose the Wimbledon final to Federer, I dont see Roddick ever beating Federer in a slam.



I would like that to happen but I doubt very much it would be that easy, especialy on a fast hard court.



I agree.



I agree.



Define "early"? I dont see him going out before the round of 16, though I could see him going out that round to a lower seed.
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My reason for a Roddick win over Fed is that i doubt Roddick meets him in the final again. Thier match would most likely be a QF or SF. This helps Roddick as Fed usually comes out slower in these matches than in finals. Also the crowd helps Roddick. And three, despite what Roddick said at Wimby, he has the confidence. He now knows he can beat Fed. The play is there.

As for Nadal v Soderling, to be honest i doubt Nadal kicks his butt, but i think he wins. Simple reason is that Nadal will be out for revenge. Remember what he did to Fed at FO 08. He will want Soderlings bones. I bet you that loss killed his mind. He wants revenge. He is too good a player to let a guy like Soderling beat him twice in a row in majors

As for Verdasco, i have not been impressed with his play since the FO. He was embarresed by a rusty out of form Davydenko, and has not played good tennis since. I see him going out in the 3rd of 4th round
 
Everyone is wrong the quarterfinals for the mens 2009 wimbledon will be

Roger Federer
Rafael Nadal
Novak Djokovic
Andy Murray
Donald Young
Pete Sampras
Serena Williams
The ball girl who hit with Tommy Hass at wimbledon

The bottom 4 advance to the semis

Young v Williams in the final with Williams winning in a 6-1, 0-6, 1-6, 6-2, 6-0 match. Donald Young goes and cries in shame and Serena cheers.

--------------------------or

Who I think right now if they get a good draw will make it to the quarters are as follow the top 5, cilic, soderling. Now the last one is either in my opinion going to be Tsonga or Del Potro but I am not sold. I can see an American like Fish or Querrey coming up strong with the right draw like they did last year. So I leave all possibilities open but I think clic does some big damage at this slam as he is due and I can seem him exploding into a semi or something.
 
Fedi beats roddick in the final, but it does not count on this forum because he didn't play nadal or Murray :-?
 
Federer will at least be in the final, Murray will at least be in the semi final, Djokovic will at least be in the quarter final, Nadal will at least reach the fourth round, Gonzalez will at least reach the third round, Gasquet will at least reach the second round while Guccioni will make a fast exit in the first round!
 
Fruitless discussion until the draw is out IMO. I understand that it's boring with nothing going on right now. Go out and play yourself, guys.
 
Federer vs Del Potro
Murray vs Soderling
Roddick vs Djokovic
Nadal vs Tsonga

Federer vs Murray
Nadal vs Roddick

Murray def. Nadal
 
All this speculation is pretty useless until the draws come out, but, eh, I'll play along and throw my 2 cents in, my 2 cents being that Roddick has a very good chance of making it to the finals, if he's not in the same half as Federer. Of course, this is a big "if", as the two just seem to gravitate to each other in Slams and are very, very often in the same half. Look at Wimbledon, though---They end up on different halves and we have a hell of a final.

All that being said, fate is cruel when it comes to Roddick, and I fully expect him to be in the same quarter as Federer. I'm not going to pick the full quarters, but I'll go ahead and say Roddick versus Federer in a quarterfinal matchup.
 
Quarters:
Federer
Nadal
Murray
Roddick
Djokovic
Del Potro
Haas

Semis:
(1) Federer vs. (3) Nadal
(2) Murray vs. (5) Roddick

Final:
(5) Roddick def. (3) Nadal
 
drwood said:
Quarters:
Federer
Nadal
Murray
Roddick
Djokovic
Del Potro
Haas

Semis:
(1) Federer vs. (3) Nadal
(2) Murray vs. (5) Roddick

Final:
(5) Roddick def. (3) Nadal
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why do you think Nadal will be 3 in the world. He has just as many points to defend as Murray.
 
tvp900 said:
why do you think Nadal will be 3 in the world. He has just as many points to defend as Murray.
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Not really, he loses an extra 800 from the Olympics, and I think Murray will do better at Montreal and Cinci than Nadal will.
 
For this to be fair and seeding must be established:
1)Federer
2)Nadal
3)Murray
4)Djoker
5)Roddick
6)Del Potro
7)Verdasco
8 Tsonga
9)Simon
10)Gonzo
11)Soderling
12)Davydenko
13)Monfils
14)Cilic
15)Nalby
16)Robredo

Now i just randomly drew a R16 drawsheet:
1 v 2
1 v 3 2 v 4
1 v 5 3 v 8 2 v 7 4 v 6
1 v 15 5 v 10 3 v 14 8 v 11 2 v 16 7 v 12 4 v 13 6 v 9

Based on the seedings i have there, ill assume all 16 seeds make the R16, of course they wont, but too bad:

R16:
Federer def Nalbandian
Roddick def Gonzo
Murray def Cilic
Soderling def Tsonga
Nadal def Roberdo
Davydenko def Verdasco
Djokovic def Monfils
Del Potro def Simon

QF:
Roddick def Federer
Soderling def Murray
Nadal def Davydenko
Del Potro def Djokovic

SF:
Roddick def Soderling
Nadal del Del Potro
 
If that is the draw I see:

Round of 16 matches:

Federer defeats Nalbandian
Roddick defeats Gonzo
Murray defeats Cilic
Soderling def Tsonga
Nadal defeats Roberdo
Verdasco defeats Davydenko
Djokovic defeats Monfils
Del Potro defeats Simon

Quarterfinal matches:

Federer defeats Roddick
Murray defeats Soderling
Verdasco defeats Nadal
Del Potro defeats Djokovic

Semifinals:

Federer defeats Murray (whoever wins winning tournament though)
Del Potro defeats Verdasco

Final:

Federer defeats Del Potro
 
Soderling defeats Federer
Nadal defeats Roddick
Djokovic defeats Del Potro
Murray defeats Davydenko

Nadal defeats Murray
Soderling defeats Djokovic

Nadal defeats Soderling 6-0 6-1 6-0.
 
Here is my reasoning for my post:

Roddick vs Fed in a QF, i think its almost destiny. And the QF conditions favour Roddick -- night, crowd. Also remember Fed is usually not as sharp in these stages than in the SF F.

Id have Nadal over Verdasco purely because Verdasco has played like crap since being dismantled at the hands of Davydenko at the French. On grass he lost to Ben Becker and Petchner. At Wimby he was pushed by Vliegen and Montanes, loosing to Karlovic -- no mental strength. In Davis Cup he played very poorly getting pushed to 5 by Beck, and loosing to Kohl.

Del Po takes out the Djoker because hes purely the better player at the moment.

I have Soderling over Murray because Murray has been getting pushed around lately by big hitters. And Soderling is the hardest hitter in the top 16 with reasonable consistency.
 
tvp900 said:
The draw may not be out yet and it's really too early to make predictions, but I want to know what everyone thinks will happen from the quarters on. Make up a draw if you want to, based on the current rankings. This is mine:

Federer v. Soderling
Djokovic v. Cilic
Murray v. Verdasco
Nadal v. Roddick

Federer v. Cilic
Murray v. Roddick

Roddick def. Federer

I had Roddick beat Federer because he's going to play as well as in Wimbledon, and he'll have the crowd on his side along with the faster surface of AA Stadium.
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This is a great potential QF-matchup...but lets not forget that in slams there is always i high seed player that falls early,someone who gets their breakthrough,and someone who surprises everyone (Verdasco in AO,Haas in Wimby,Soderling in FO and so on...) Anyway, good thread.
 
clayman2000 said:
Here is my reasoning for my post:

Roddick vs Fed in a QF, i think its almost destiny. And the QF conditions favour Roddick -- night, crowd. Also remember Fed is usually not as sharp in these stages than in the SF F.

Id have Nadal over Verdasco purely because Verdasco has played like crap since being dismantled at the hands of Davydenko at the French. On grass he lost to Ben Becker and Petchner. At Wimby he was pushed by Vliegen and Montanes, loosing to Karlovic -- no mental strength. In Davis Cup he played very poorly getting pushed to 5 by Beck, and loosing to Kohl.

Del Po takes out the Djoker because hes purely the better player at the moment.

I have Soderling over Murray because Murray has been getting pushed around lately by big hitters. And Soderling is the hardest hitter in the top 16 with reasonable consistency.
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That is fine.

I still will not pick Roddick to beat Federer in a slam ever, atleast unless he does it once or twice first. Sorry, but will simply never predict that at this point.

I think Nadal will be rusty and there is questions how he will come back from knee injury, and this isnt his best surface anyway so I see him going out around the quarters. Verdasco wont play as well as Australia if they meet, but Nadal also wont be even close to that level, and the surface gives a better upset chance. I like Nadal so I am not hoping that, just how I see it now. I will reaccess pending the next month of tennis.

Murray will be a big player at this years Open. No injury troubles, lots of confidence and momentum. Dissapointing somewhat in the slams but he is gradually getting there. Barring an injury between now and the Open dont see him going out before the semis atleast to anyone, no way.
 
clayman2000 said:
For this to be fair and seeding must be established:
1)Federer
2)Nadal
3)Murray
4)Djoker
5)Roddick
6)Del Potro
7)Verdasco
8 Tsonga
9)Simon
10)Gonzo
11)Soderling
12)Davydenko
13)Monfils
14)Cilic
15)Nalby
16)Robredo

Now i just randomly drew a R16 drawsheet:
1 v 2
1 v 3 2 v 4
1 v 5 3 v 8 2 v 7 4 v 6
1 v 15 5 v 10 3 v 14 8 v 11 2 v 16 7 v 12 4 v 13 6 v 9

Based on the seedings i have there, ill assume all 16 seeds make the R16, of course they wont, but too bad:

R16:
Federer def Nalbandian
Roddick def Gonzo
Murray def Cilic
Soderling def Tsonga
Nadal def Roberdo
Davydenko def Verdasco
Djokovic def Monfils
Del Potro def Simon

QF:
Roddick def Federer
Soderling def Murray
Nadal def Davydenko
Del Potro def Djokovic

SF:
Roddick def Soderling
Nadal del Del Potro
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That's a fantastic drawsheet! (Especially Roddick in the finals) But unfortunately, Nalbandian pulled out due to his hip injury. Sorry to mess up a great draw
 
I think people are overestimating Roddick's chances against Murray if they meet at the US Open. Sure, he can beat Murray. He has proved that. However, it was on grass and it was very tight. Roddick had to play a blinder there. I may be wrong, but I can't see Roddick upsetting Murray like that again.
 
Clydey2times said:
I think people are overestimating Roddick's chances against Murray if they meet at the US Open. Sure, he can beat Murray. He has proved that. However, it was on grass and it was very tight. Roddick had to play a blinder there. I may be wrong, but I can't see Roddick upsetting Murray like that again.
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If he plays as well as he did, Murray will have a tough time getting past him. Obviously he'd be the favourite, but it wouldn't be easy.
 
clayman2000 said:
Here is my reasoning for my post:

Roddick vs Fed in a QF, i think its almost destiny. And the QF conditions favour Roddick -- night, crowd. Also remember Fed is usually not as sharp in these stages than in the SF F.

Id have Nadal over Verdasco purely because Verdasco has played like crap since being dismantled at the hands of Davydenko at the French. On grass he lost to Ben Becker and Petchner. At Wimby he was pushed by Vliegen and Montanes, loosing to Karlovic -- no mental strength. In Davis Cup he played very poorly getting pushed to 5 by Beck, and loosing to Kohl.

Del Po takes out the Djoker because hes purely the better player at the moment.

I have Soderling over Murray because Murray has been getting pushed around lately by big hitters. And Soderling is the hardest hitter in the top 16 with reasonable consistency.
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Murray has been getting pushed around by hard hitters? He has lost just over a handful of matches this season. He has beaten far, far more hard hitters than he has lost to. I wouldn't even count the clay court season, as it's not relevant to the US Open.
 
Murray is much better on hard courts than he is on grass, although he has proven he is one of the best on grass and a contender to win Wimbledon now. Still on hard courts it will be that much harder to beat him then on grass. Roddick was playing out of his skin at Wimbledon. I dont see Roddick beating Murray at the Open if they play either.

My prediction is Murray either wins the U.S Open or is stopped by Federer in the final, with an outside shot of being stopped by Del Potro in the semis or quarters.
 
thejoe said:
If he plays as well as he did, Murray will have a tough time getting past him. Obviously he'd be the favourite, but it wouldn't be easy.
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The thing I noticed at Wimbledon was Murray's lack of success on the pass against Roddick. Murray really struggles to pass consistently when the ball is kept low, it seems. I think he'll be back to his best once the HC season starts. As tactically astute as Roddick was in that match, I think he'll see a lot more balls go flying past him if they meet at the USO. Murray is very good on grass. He's on a different level on hard. That's why I wouldn't have expected him to beat Federer at Wimbledon anyway.
 
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