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Beerus
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What happens? Does he even win a Slam?
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
I think he would surprise people like the PlayStation.
RS
Bionic Poster
Xbox
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Beerus
Guest
So my favorite player gets exposed.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
These time machines seems to have been created only just recently. Never heard abiut this placing different versions in time machines so frequently before. It all has one goal though.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
No.
RS
Bionic Poster
Would you would agree Nadal is a favourite though right?
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Beerus
Guest
I'll embrace my bias and say that Djokovic wins 2 Slams. He somehow survives Federer at the AO and the USO.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Don't think not beating prime Fed at Wimbledon or Nadal at the FO is gettign exposed. The AO and USO are probably coin flip matches.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm sorry but going into the negatives isn't reasonable. Zero is as low as I'll go.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
All good.
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Hall of Fame
He wouldn't win any slams that year. Fed takes Wimbledon, USO, and even AO.
2007 was the last year of the fast, green-colored courts at the AO, which heavily benefited Fed
2007 was the last year of the fast, green-colored courts at the AO, which heavily benefited Fed
jl809
Hall of Fame
With Fed:
AO: maybe Djoker takes this
FO: 10000000000000000000000% Nadal
Wimb: definitely one of Fedal. Fed takes Djoker out if he plays Djoker in the SF or in the F. If Fed has to play Djoker and then Nadal B2B, Nadal wins Wimbledon
USO: I can’t say 2011 Fed was better than 2007, so Fed wins this too
0 or 1 slam.
@RS @Beerus could this kinda thought experiment be used to argue 2004 Fed being the GOAT peak ATG level? In that if you transport 04 Fed into other years, he still conceivably wins at least 2 (and maybe 3) slams basically any time from 2005-2016. Never really considered that version of Fed in that way
AO: maybe Djoker takes this
FO: 10000000000000000000000% Nadal
Wimb: definitely one of Fedal. Fed takes Djoker out if he plays Djoker in the SF or in the F. If Fed has to play Djoker and then Nadal B2B, Nadal wins Wimbledon
USO: I can’t say 2011 Fed was better than 2007, so Fed wins this too
0 or 1 slam.
@RS @Beerus could this kinda thought experiment be used to argue 2004 Fed being the GOAT peak ATG level? In that if you transport 04 Fed into other years, he still conceivably wins at least 2 (and maybe 3) slams basically any time from 2005-2016. Never really considered that version of Fed in that way
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MeatTornado
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I would kill to see 07 Fed vs 11 Novak in Australia.
TheNachoMan
Legend
He wins AO and USO.
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Beerus
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That's just our bias. They are toss-up.
TheNachoMan
Legend
I can’t underestimate hypothetical Federer.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Smoke some gelato and it all becomes clear.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
It’s always Federer. Always Federer.
I do think Djok would eventually find a way to beat Federer though and vice versa. The thing these hypotheticals don’t take into account is that matchups evolve over time… I.e. Nadal doesn’t beat Fed in 08 without 06/07 previously, DelPo doesn’t play a match like RG/USO 09 without his embarrassment at AO 09, even Djokovic doesn’t win AO 08 without his losses at AO 07/08 to Federer.
Unless there’s a significant skill gap then I suspect top players will alternate stretches of winning, though Fed wins more obviously.
I do think Djok would eventually find a way to beat Federer though and vice versa. The thing these hypotheticals don’t take into account is that matchups evolve over time… I.e. Nadal doesn’t beat Fed in 08 without 06/07 previously, DelPo doesn’t play a match like RG/USO 09 without his embarrassment at AO 09, even Djokovic doesn’t win AO 08 without his losses at AO 07/08 to Federer.
Unless there’s a significant skill gap then I suspect top players will alternate stretches of winning, though Fed wins more obviously.
BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
Nadal wins RG and Federer wins Wimbledon.
AO and USO, I think would be split between Federer and Djokovic, but if someone wins both it's Djokovic.
I actually think Djokovic would do better at USO than AO vs Federer. In 2007 Djokovic was better than Federer for the first two sets but lost because of lack of experience in those situations, 2011 Djokovic wouldn't have that problem. And although Djokovic is obviously better at the AO than USO, AO 2007 Federer would be really hard to beat. He was really flying that tournament. Didn't lose a set so losing 3 in one match would be hard even if it's vs Djokovic.
So, he wins one or two. I suppose 2011 Djokovic beating Nadal at RG or Federer at Wimbledon isn't really out of the question though, but he'd be the underdog.
AO and USO, I think would be split between Federer and Djokovic, but if someone wins both it's Djokovic.
I actually think Djokovic would do better at USO than AO vs Federer. In 2007 Djokovic was better than Federer for the first two sets but lost because of lack of experience in those situations, 2011 Djokovic wouldn't have that problem. And although Djokovic is obviously better at the AO than USO, AO 2007 Federer would be really hard to beat. He was really flying that tournament. Didn't lose a set so losing 3 in one match would be hard even if it's vs Djokovic.
So, he wins one or two. I suppose 2011 Djokovic beating Nadal at RG or Federer at Wimbledon isn't really out of the question though, but he'd be the underdog.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
the only years where this (peak Fed wouldn’t win at least two Slams) wouldn’t be true are (possibly) 2010 - though I’m not as high on 10 WimDal as others, then you’d have to go back to peak Samp/Agassi years like 1993-1995, maybe 97/99 depending on how he handles Guga at RG.
And then there’s strong years like obviously Mac’s 1984 where he might go Slamless but it’s much harder to project anything pre 1990 because of the lack of AO.
ForehandRF
Legend
Dunno how 2011 would do on the 2007 USO surface, which was faster than the sluggish 2011
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This lol.Dunno how 2011 would do on the 2007 USO surface, which was faster than the sluggish 2011
Even the Nolebots here don't realize the 2007 AO surface was much, much faster than any year after that.
Fed easily takes the trophy at both USO and AO (and Wimbledon which doesn't even need to be stated)
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
It wasn’t Plexi at the AO so it’s pretty hard to say how Djokovic would look there - would he be dominant or would it be more like the USO. Imagining it was Plexi he wins the AO, loses RG, probably loses Wimbledon especially if he has the same draw of Nadal/Federer back to back but still has a chance, and then coinflip at the US.
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Third Serve
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he would be lucky to win a challenger
ForehandRF
Legend
Tbh Rebound Ace was slicker not actually faster than Plexi in general, but it was faster than the 2011 Plexi slowness blasphemy lol
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
I would say RG is definitely out of the question. Not sure anyone beats that Nadal.
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Beerus
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AO: Toss-up vs Fed
RG: Loses to Nadal
W: Loses to Fed
USO: Toss-up vs Fed
Could be 2 Slams. Could be 0 Slams. The thought of 0 Slams hurts me as a Djokovic fan.
RG: Loses to Nadal
W: Loses to Fed
USO: Toss-up vs Fed
Could be 2 Slams. Could be 0 Slams. The thought of 0 Slams hurts me as a Djokovic fan.
The Guru
Legend
Yeah I mean he's certainly favored I just think the gap between Novak and Nadal's clay levels is smaller than the results have indicated. I think if we run back the 11-14 FOs from scratch 2-2 is more likely than 4-0 for example. Plus 11 Novak is the best clay Novak on the normal RG courts and 07 Nadal doesn't have the dialed up aggression and FHDTL counter that he developed to beat Novak yet. Again Nadal a solid favorite but I don't think it's a given.
RS
Bionic Poster
How do you rate Djokovic's RG peak compared to his peak at USO and Wim?
jl809
Hall of Fame
It’s the 7 Wimbledon titles for me, but I won’t do the rant againShame time travel tennis isn't possible to give these Novak fans a rude awakening
The Guru
Legend
Man we Djokovic fans gotta stop letting the hypothetical Fed stuff influence us so much. Djokovic smacked Fed in straights at the AO twice in his 20s and this is frickin 2011 Novak we're talking here not 2020 Novak. AO is not a toss up. At what point do we give AO Novak pseudo Rafa at RG status. Dude has lost 1 real match there and he should've won that one too he was the better player (37 to 32 RPW). 10-0 in semis and finals. Undefeated against the Big 4 outside of 07 when he wasnt even in the top 10 yet. He's the favorite period no need to be political.
RS
Bionic Poster
I assume this means it stacks up very close/very well.
he's too good not to win a slam. Likely we see a repeat of 2012 but with fed winning USO too as well as the YEC. 1-2 slams for sure. AO is a bit of an unknown with the rebound ace surface. Plexicushion was where he started to dominate after 2010.
2007 uso looked a lot quicker than 2011 as well. Federer was a beast on those courts before they slowed it down, dominated all aspects of the game. 07 djokovic did well to hang with him and get set points but fed had another gear in him.
2007 uso looked a lot quicker than 2011 as well. Federer was a beast on those courts before they slowed it down, dominated all aspects of the game. 07 djokovic did well to hang with him and get set points but fed had another gear in him.
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