2011 Novak Djokovic is the best tennis player of all time.

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
#4
His form in 2011 is the highest/purest form of tennis the human eye has ever witnessed. No player in the history of the game is touching Novak in 2011.

Peak Federer? Nope. Remember, Federer was only 29 in 2011.

Peak Nadal? Nadal's peak was 2010-2011.

Peak Sampras? Come on now.
Federer still wasn't at his peak in 2011 - yet still posed Djokovic trouble at the US Open and the French Open. He also turned 30 in 2011.

Djokovic is "only" 30 this year so I guess Berdych has his number after all.

Stop posting.
 

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
#6
cant argue with that. I will always agree that Peak Djokovic is the greatest ever. You put every tennis players peak and put them in a tournament. I take Novak every time
Yeah bud, that's why Federer beat Nole at RG in 2011, Wimbledon in 2012 and Cincinnati like a million times.

Djokovic struggled with a slightly past his prime Fed, he isn't doing much better if he is 25 instead of 30.
 

EdMcMush

Professional
#9
Yeah bud, that's why Federer beat Nole at RG in 2011, Wimbledon in 2012 and Cincinnati like a million times.

Djokovic struggled with a slightly past his prime Fed, he isn't doing much better if he is 25 instead of 30.
okay also peak nadal on clay lost to soderling, does rafa lose his prestige, Peak Fed lost to 2008 wimbledon on his best surface to Nadal on Rafa's worst surface. So ya can cherry pick facts
 
#10
Sadly, peak fed and peak backhand federer chronologically do no overlap chronologically with Djokovic's rise. In fact, dare I say if federer were as aggressive as he is now with the backhand he hits in lets say 2009-2010 he would already have 20 majors by the end of 2010. Djoker started to break down Federer's backhand when Federer was 28-29, I believe Djoker was 23-24 at this time?
 

axlrose

Professional
#11
In a single event? No.

In a whole year? Yes.

Some former/current players may have equal or even better stats, but any true tennis fan will probably admit his tennis in 2011 is out of this world.
 
#12
GOAT status cannot be based on a single year of tennis. I agree that it's the best year ever sure. But Nole hasn't earned the GOAT status yet. Dont forget that Federer beat him at RG ending the streak plus nearly lost to Roger if not for a freak desperation shot on match point. Roger Federer is the greatest player to ever walk. Accept this please!
 

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
#13
okay also peak nadal on clay lost to soderling, does rafa lose his prestige, Peak Fed lost to 2008 wimbledon on his best surface to Nadal on Rafa's worst surface. So ya can cherry pick facts
The US Open was a match that was closely contested between them too, Fed could have won that one too. He was also very good in this match, but not at his absolute best.

The Djokovic - Federer rivalry has always been more competitive than the Nadal - Federer one (until recent times). Djokovic and Federer have similar careers outside majors IMO.
 

axlrose

Professional
#14
GOAT status cannot be based on a single year of tennis. I agree that it's the best year ever sure. But Nole hasn't earned the GOAT status yet. Dont forget that Federer beat him at RG ending the streak plus nearly lost to Roger if not for a freak desperation shot on match point. Roger Federer is the greatest player to ever walk. Accept this please!
This thread is not about Fed vs Djo who's greater, obviously it's Fed.
It's about the greatest performance during one-year time, obviously it's Djo.
 
#17
In a single event? No.

In a whole year? Yes.

Some former/current players may have equal or even better stats, but any true tennis fan will probably admit his tennis in 2011 is out of this world.
2011 was out of the world, purely amazing to watch until the end of the US Open. He then fell apart. If he kept that form up and won the WTF, too, I'd put that as the best single tennis season ever. That one part of the season soils it.
 
#18
Sadly, peak fed and peak backhand federer chronologically do no overlap chronologically with Djokovic's rise. In fact, dare I say if federer were as aggressive as he is now with the backhand he hits in lets say 2009-2010 he would already have 20 majors by the end of 2010. Djoker started to break down Federer's backhand when Federer was 28-29, I believe Djoker was 23-24 at this time?
What I would give to see peak bh fed Vs peak djoko
This thread is not about Fed vs Djo who's greater, obviously it's Fed.
It's about the greatest performance during one-year time, obviously it's Djo.
I understand that but there's a fine line when greatest player ever is spoken of. A great year though can't define that IMO
 
#21
I'm sorry to tell you this truth. Nadal is better than Djokovic on clay. It's a quite common fact, but I see you're a few years out of date.
 

Jackuar

Hall of Fame
#23
I haven't seen Pre-Sampras era, so if I have to put absolute-demon-beast-mode-god-mode-once-in-a-life-time-single-day-peak-form of a player on his best day, on his best surface.. Ranking it based on both peak level + surface, it would be

1. Fed - fast HC
2. Clay - Nadal
3. Fed/Sampras - Grass
4. Novak - slow HC
 
#26
I haven't seen Pre-Sampras era, so if I have to put absolute-demon-beast-mode-god-mode-once-in-a-life-time-single-day-peak-form of a player on his best day, on his best surface.. Ranking it based on both peak level + surface, it would be

1. Fed - fast HC
2. Clay - Nadal
3. Fed/Sampras - Grass
4. Novak - slow HC
This
 
#29
The OP is correct. Fanboys of TTW will not like it but the greats of the game have more or less agreed on this. If I had to pick one player to play for my life, and it was a random surface, I would pick Djokovic 2011 without a doubt.

Sampras:
“At least in my lifetime, the best ever”, Sampras told the Palm Beach Post. He also labeled it “one of the best achievements in all of sports.”


McEnroe:
“Novak has taken tennis to new heights”, said the American.
“Djokovic is having the greatest year in the history of our sport, there’s no doubt about it”, he said. “He bewildered Nadal. I’ve never seen Nadal look as if he doesn’t know what to do – and even on clay in Rome Djokovic made him look like that.”

“Wimbledon was where he separated himself and took himself to a whole new level. He beat Nadal six times in one year and, considering the year Nadal had in 2010, that’s pretty hard to do.”

Courier:
“Novak has two guys who have won double-digit majors, and they are both healthy, and he’s still dominating them”, said Jim Courier, the United States Davis Cup captain and a former world no.1. “That’s what’s most impressive about this season, probably.”

Federer did not have two men of his stature to manhandle at his peak. Djokovic has two players of superior stature to underscore his state of grace. “That’s why this feels more astounding to me”, Courier said.



Connors:
"What he has done in the last year, not only with his game, but his conditioning, I don't know what it is. I don't even know if he knows what it is. But if he could bottle that and sell it, it would be unbelievable."


Becker:
"This man has produced arguably the greatest season in tennis history."
 
#31
The OP is correct. Fanboys of TTW will not like it but the greats of the game have more or less agreed on this. If I had to pick one player to play for my life, and it was a random surface, I would pick Djokovic 2011 without a doubt.

Sampras:
“At least in my lifetime, the best ever”, Sampras told the Palm Beach Post. He also labeled it “one of the best achievements in all of sports.”

McEnroe:
“Novak has taken tennis to new heights”, said the American.
“Djokovic is having the greatest year in the history of our sport, there’s no doubt about it”, he said. “He bewildered Nadal. I’ve never seen Nadal look as if he doesn’t know what to do – and even on clay in Rome Djokovic made him look like that.”

“Wimbledon was where he separated himself and took himself to a whole new level. He beat Nadal six times in one year and, considering the year Nadal had in 2010, that’s pretty hard to do.”

Courier:
“Novak has two guys who have won double-digit majors, and they are both healthy, and he’s still dominating them”, said Jim Courier, the United States Davis Cup captain and a former world no.1. “That’s what’s most impressive about this season, probably.”

Federer did not have two men of his stature to manhandle at his peak. Djokovic has two players of superior stature to underscore his state of grace. “That’s why this feels more astounding to me”, Courier said.


Connors:
"What he has done in the last year, not only with his game, but his conditioning, I don't know what it is. I don't even know if he knows what it is. But if he could bottle that and sell it, it would be unbelievable."

Becker:
"This man has produced arguably the greatest season in tennis history."
19-12 gnite
 
#33
Yea 19 is greater than 12 but what does that have to do with 2011 being the highest level of pure tennis in any one year?
How is that the highest level when there have been higher levels at 3/4 slams? Federer 06 for example was better at RG-Wimbledon-USO-WTF.

Only place you can argue is 2011 AO and I won’t argue against that only 07 Federer or 09 Fedal could come close.
 
#34
His form in 2011 is the highest/purest form of tennis the human eye has ever witnessed. No player in the history of the game is touching Novak in 2011.

Peak Federer? Nope. Remember, Federer was only 29 in 2011.

Peak Nadal? Nadal's peak was 2010-2011.

Peak Sampras? Come on now.
His standard was extremely high indeed. However, I disagree it was the greatest. I have always believed that Federer 4 years after his peak showed in the French Open and the US Open that Nole was actually quite playable.
 
#35
How is that the highest level when there have been higher levels at 3/4 slams? Federer 06 for example was better at RG-Wimbledon-USO-WTF.

Only place you can argue is 2011 AO and I won’t argue against that only 07 Federer or 09 Fedal could come close.
In your opinion it is. In my opinion and in the mind of the greats of the game (those who have won 4 Slams or more, and who have a better idea than anyone on here of how to win a Slam), it is not. For one thing, 2006's competition that year was forgettable compared to 2011 where he redlined for months against a very formidable field.
 
#36
How is that the highest level when there have been higher levels at 3/4 slams? Federer 06 for example was better at RG-Wimbledon-USO-WTF.

Only place you can argue is 2011 AO and I won’t argue against that only 07 Federer or 09 Fedal could come close.
2007 AO Federer > 2011 AO Djokovic IMO.

I don't think 2009 Fedal beats 2011 AO Djokovic.

2005 AO Federer probably takes it to 5 sets and you should probably flip a coin there.
 
#37
His standard was extremely high indeed. However, I disagree it was the greatest. I have always believed that Federer 4 years after his peak showed in the French Open and the US Open that Nole was actually quite playable.
I've never said "greatest".

I said "best".
 
#38
How is that the highest level when there have been higher levels at 3/4 slams? Federer 06 for example was better at RG-Wimbledon-USO-WTF.

Only place you can argue is 2011 AO and I won’t argue against that only 07 Federer or 09 Fedal could come close.
It's amazing how Novak 2011 is on such a pedestal bc he took people by surprise and dominated. Fed 06 was easily more impressive, but he'd already been dominant since 04 so it gets overlooked. Nadal 2008, 10, 13 were great as well, but again, they weren't such a shock. Ultron was getting his booty handed to him, then he FINALLY beat his daddy in a slam and fanboys came in their pants and it was sooooo amazing o_O
 
#39
Fed did two three slam years back to back (and made the final of the fourth one both times too).

Show me literally anyone else who has done that.
Not Djokovic. Not Sampras. Not even Laver.

The pattern is always to have a massive year (Djok 2011, 2015, Nadal 2010, Laver 1969) and then have the results drop. This always happens, with no exceptions...

...except Federer.

Three slam year...
Two slam year.
Three slam year...

Aaaand... Boom.
Three slam year.

And no absences, early losses, or walkabouts in there either. 18/19 consecutive slam finals made. That's not semis. That's finals.

Nobody has ever got close to any of that. In terms of a single season Djoker 2011 and 15 are right there with him, maybe even better, but when you zoom out a little you quickly see how unparalleled this sh*t is.
 
#42
His form in 2011 is the highest/purest form of tennis the human eye has ever witnessed. No player in the history of the game is touching Novak in 2011.

Peak Federer? Nope. Remember, Federer was only 29 in 2011.

Peak Nadal? Nadal's peak was 2010-2011.

Peak Sampras? Come on now.
Funny you mention this. You are aware Djokovic had just turned 29 when he declined heavily mid 2016?

He played great in 2011 though, lets agree on that
 

axlrose

Professional
#47
Who he played all year?

AO: Berdych (Slam finalist at the moment)/Federer/Murray
Dubai: Berdych/Federer
IW: Federer/Nadal
Miami: Nadal
Madrid + Rome: LOL needless to say more.
FO: lost to Fed (former champion)
Wim: Tsonga (Slam finalist atm)/Nadal
Canada: Tsonga/Fish
USO: Davydenko(do I need to explain who he is LOL)/Federer/Nadal

Let's choose any 3-Slam year from Roger and Rafa to compare.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
#48
His form in 2011 is the highest/purest form of tennis the human eye has ever witnessed. No player in the history of the game is touching Novak in 2011.

Peak Federer? Nope. Remember, Federer was only 29 in 2011.

Peak Nadal? Nadal's peak was 2010-2011.

Peak Sampras? Come on now.
Well then. That settles it.
 
#49
Who he played all year?

AO: Berdych (Slam finalist at the moment)/Federer/Murray
Dubai: Berdych/Federer
IW: Federer/Nadal
Miami: Nadal
Madrid + Rome: LOL needless to say more.
FO: lost to Fed (former champion)
Wim: Tsonga (Slam finalist atm)/Nadal
Canada: Tsonga/Fish
USO: Davydenko(do I need to explain who he is LOL)/Federer/Nadal

Let's choose any 3-Slam year from Roger and Rafa to compare.
Also at Rome, he played Wawrinka, Soderling, Murray and Nadal in back to back matches.
 
#50
That season is right up there.

Only question marks are that he lost to Federer in FO and almost Lost to him again in US Open finals , but considering Federer's stature , it should not be suprising. I don't consider 2011 peak Federer but he was still playing better than almost any ATGs, that's why that season is right up there.
 
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