2011 Novak Djokovic is the best tennis player of all time.

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Where is his competition? Did Federer have a 32 year old Nadal or young ATGs?
32 yo Nadal is no.1 after Djokovic.

Anyway stating that Federer could play at Djokovic's level in 2011 just because he gave him trouble in 2 matches is false, because he won zero 500+ level titles during Djokovic's streak of 9 titles. Otherwise we could say that 2004-07 Nadal was on the same level as Federer.

AO11-AO12 h2h between Big3:

Djokovic 11-1
Nadal 4-8
Federer 2-8
 
32 yo Nadal is no.1 after Djokovic.

Anyway stating that Federer could play at Djokovic's level in 2011 just because he gave him trouble in 2 matches is false, because he won zero 500+ level titles during Djokovic's streak of 9 titles. Otherwise we could say that 2004-07 Nadal was on the same level as Federer.

AO11-AO12 h2h between Big3:

Djokovic 11-1
Nadal 4-8
Federer 2-8
The only slam Djokovic played at a higher level was AO.
 
It's the same masters slot, so we can talk about them together. And that's a tie really, both Federer in Madrid 06 and Djokovic in Shanghai 15 looked crazy good.



Not Paris lol, come on.

Agree with the rest or your comment.
I‘d always take Fed on a faster court so I rank 2006 the highest followed by the 2010/2014 SF.

Paris I was thinking of 2011, he was superb that tournament. Sadly it‘s so close to Basel so he rarely brought top form there.
 
Paris I was thinking of 2011, he was superb that tournament. Sadly it‘s so close to Basel so he rarely brought top form there.
2011 was good, but so were Novak's 2013-15, more than once, although the 2013 final against Ferrer was hilarious, but I'd rather give more credit to Daveed, who was actually playing terrific and routined Nadal in the semi - you gotta see how well Ferrer has to play to dominate a fit Nadal, given their H2H history. Looks like I digressed again, lъl.
 
To me, Djokovic looked better in 2015 than in 2011 in terms of level of play.No matter the competition, tenniswise he was better in 2015 : the depth of his shots, the precision, the serve, in almost every aspect he was better in the period stretching between WB 2015 and RG 2016.The 2016 AO SF is arguably the best match he has ever played on HC slams.You might consider this an unpopular opinion, but that's the way I see things.His 2011 tends to be overrated because of the competition.Feel free to disagree :)
 
Anyway stating that Federer could play at Djokovic's level in 2011 just because he gave him trouble in 2 matches is false, because he won zero 500+ level titles during Djokovic's streak of 9 titles.
So what defines playing on someone's level? A total 50/50 split in titles? When Fed did take home titles in 2015, was that considered playing on Novak's level?

Go back and watch 2011 Australia, IW, RG and USO instead of just looking at the box scores. It's not like Roger was getting outclassed in any of those matches. Novak was just slightly better (or tougher) in most of them.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
So what defines playing on someone's level? A total 50/50 split in titles? When Fed did take home titles in 2015, was that considered playing on Novak's level?

Go back and watch 2011 Australia, IW, RG and USO instead of just looking at the box scores. It's not like Roger was getting outclassed in any of those matches. Novak was just slightly better (or tougher) in most of them.
Are we talking about h2h or about level of players?

Nadal 2004-07 led Federer in the h2h, but wasn't a better player than him at all.

Djokovic won 3 slams in 2011, Federer 0. Djokovic was a better player.
 
Are we talking about h2h or about level of players?

Nadal 2004-07 led Federer in the h2h, but wasn't a better player than him at all.

Djokovic won 3 slams in 2011, Federer 0. Djokovic was a better player.
Of course he was the better player. No one is disputing that.

But it's interesting to see you of all people boil down everything to title count.
 
It can't be the highest level when Federer might beat him at every slam, and Sampras might beat him at 3 of them.

Peak claydal being in Federer's magnum opus year and that level of player not being around to shut out a surface in 1984 or 2015 really clouds perception. Imagine what Federer would do in those years with no nadal on clay and no exceptional competition on other surfaces either.
Sampras beats Djokovic at the AO?
 
Yes.

At
Hamburg
Wimbledon
Cincinatti
USO
Madrid indoors
Shanghai masters/YEC

IW, Paris, YEC London 50/50.

Nole:

AO/miami
How can he be 50/50 in Paris when he's only won it once and that was the only time he made a final? Djokovic, Safin, Sampras and Becker are all better than Federer in Paris.
Nadal: clay

Like NoleFam, I also cannot fathom what you mean by 50/50. At Paris Bercy, Federer has won once in 12 attempts during his career and his winning percentage at the Indoor M1000 is barely above 60%. IW, YEC, sure, Roger has done great at those venues. I assume you mean the Paris Indoor. If you mean the clay tournament in the City of Lights, it is one title in about 16 attempts.
 
Like NoleFam, I also cannot fathom what you mean by 50/50. At Paris Bercy, Federer has won once in 12 attempts during his career and his winning percentage at the Indoor M1000 is barely above 60%. IW, YEC, sure, Roger has done great at those venues. I assume you mean the Paris Indoor. If you mean the clay tournament in the City of Lights, it is one title in about 16 attempts.
This is peak level not accomplishment.
 

3lite

Professional
The problem with 2011 is we remember the first half of that season mainly. After USO he fell off significantly.
Every real Tennis head knows the season ends after the USO and resumes again once the WTF rolls around.

And the fact that you think the second half of a tennis season begins after the USO :-D.
 

3lite

Professional
He did not face prime Nadal in any of his 2015 Grand Slam matches (2015 Nadal was a ghost like 2017 Djokovic). 2013 Nadal is far more impressive, since he defeated prime/peak Djokovic both at Roland Garros and the US Open. 2013 would have been one Djokovic's best seasons of his career if not for Nadal. In effect, Djokovic would have won 3 Grand Slams plus the ATP finals if not for Nadal in 2013.

2010 Nadal is also more impressive. Nadal is the only man in the history of tennis to win 3 Grand Slams on 3 different surfaces (hard, grass and clay) the same calendar year. Total domination of 3 Grand Slam surfaces the same calendar year. No other player has ever done it in the history of tennis.
Nadal was a better player in 2011 than he was in 2010, no?
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
It is probably true. Too bad it's only 9 months as the best of all time though.

Makes Fedr look good that he was able to beat this GOAT, while Rafa couldn't, no?
 

3lite

Professional
It is probably true. Too bad it's only 9 months as the best of all time though.

Makes Fedr look good that he was able to beat this GOAT, while Rafa couldn't, no?
It only took Novak 9 months to prove that he is the best the world has ever seen in the entire history of the sport.

That's actually more impressive when you think about it, no?
 
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