2011 Novak Djokovic is the best tennis player of all time.

Interesting that the "best tennis player of all time" lost once, and came within one point of losing again, vs. another player in slams during 2011.

Hint: the guy he lost against, and whose finger wagged in his face smugly, is the true best of all time.
 
If Tsonga hadn’t redlined for 3 sets we’d be talking about another epic Fedal Wimbledon final, and Fed probably wouldn’t choke the USO SF.

2015 impressed me more, despite the weak competition.
 
If Tsonga hadn’t redlined for 3 sets we’d be talking about another epic Fedal Wimbledon final, and Fed probably wouldn’t choke the USO SF.

2015 impressed me more, despite the weak competition.
If Federer was a bit better physically in 2015 then he would definitely punish Djokovic for choking a set from 7 setpoints in Wimbledon final.
 
His form in 2011 is the highest/purest form of tennis the human eye has ever witnessed.
Yet Fed beat him on his weakest surface at the FO when he was 7 weeks shy of 30. In a BO5 match as well.

If you think Djoker 2011 beats peak Sampras on grass, then you're simply wrong. Djoker 2011 doesn't beat 2008 Nadal on clay at any tournament.

Djoker 2011 is the highest level of Djoker, without question. He was brilliant and mentally a beast, but it's not the highest level of tennis ever played.
 
Yet Fed beat him on his weakest surface at the FO when he was 7 weeks shy of 30. In a BO5 match as well.

If you think Djoker 2011 beats peak Sampras on grass, then you're simply wrong. Djoker 2011 doesn't beat 2008 Nadal on clay at any tournament.

Djoker 2011 is the highest level of Djoker, without question. He was brilliant and mentally a beast, but it's not the highest level of tennis ever played.
No point trying to put forth your point, it’s pointless
 

E36BMWM3

Professional
His form in 2011 is the highest/purest form of tennis the human eye has ever witnessed. No player in the history of the game is touching Novak in 2011.

Peak Federer? Nope. Remember, Federer was only 29 in 2011.

Peak Nadal? Nadal's peak was 2010-2011.

Peak Sampras? Come on now.
He was untouchable that year, no doubt about it... At the end of the day, however, people will focus on his career rather than that one year that he was pretty much unplayable. His legacy is riding not on 2011, but on how impactful his return will be next year, and how it will reflect in his career as a whole. I still hate him :)
 
Nadal is the only player in the history of the game able to win GS on 3 different surfaces (hard, grass and clay) on the same calendar year. Peak GOAT?
 
64-2 in the first 9 months and 10-1 vs Fedal means he had to be scary good. I am cringing badly at all who suggest it's overrated or that luck played a good part in that yet ignore the possibility that their guys had it on their sides sometimes too.
 
Obviously no.

The AO-RG stretch specifically - the legendary winning streak - is the best in the Open Era along with McEnroe's 1984 streak. Afterwards, throughout Wimbledon-USO, Djokovic was still in prime winning form, but not the destroyer of worlds he had been. And then injury got the better of him and he crashed out for the remainder of the season.

McEnroe has the most dominant season in the OE, so it's got to be the highest season level.
It can't be the highest level when Federer might beat him at every slam, and Sampras might beat him at 3 of them.

Peak claydal being in Federer's magnum opus year and that level of player not being around to shut out a surface in 1984 or 2015 really clouds perception. Imagine what Federer would do in those years with no nadal on clay and no exceptional competition on other surfaces either.
 

axlrose

Professional
It can't be the highest level when Federer might beat him at every slam, and Sampras might beat him at 3 of them.

Peak claydal being in Federer's magnum opus year and that level of player not being around to shut out a surface in 1984 or 2015 really clouds perception. Imagine what Federer would do in those years with no nadal on clay and no exceptional competition on other surfaces either.
In other words: No, it must be Federer, LOL.

Which version, which year?

Don't bring here the period when he simply bullied/ravished the like of Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, Nalbandian...
 

DNShade

Hall of Fame
His form in 2011 is the highest/purest form of tennis the human eye has ever witnessed. No player in the history of the game is touching Novak in 2011.
Someone from 1984 would seriously disagree....


And so would I.

As someone who saw both live and in person in those exact years, I can tell you the 1984 JMac was way more awe-inspiring to witness than 2011 Nole. Not even close.
 

every7

Hall of Fame
I also think you're underselling Sampras - he would compete better in this era with a bigger frame, poly racquet.
Agree. Sampras would have been beastly in any era. I take the Sampras guff on here with a grain of salt because I know a lot of the young guys on TT who disparage him have really only seen him play maybe a handful of late career matches or some spotty YT highlights.
 

DNShade

Hall of Fame
Agree. Sampras would have been beastly in any era. I take the Sampras guff on here with a grain of salt because I know a lot of the young guys on TT who disparage him have really only seen him play maybe a handful of late career matches or some spotty YT highlights.
Exactly. Prime Pete playing his best would put a serious beat down on even 2011 Nole. Sorry guys.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
Exactly. Prime Pete playing his best would put a serious beat down on even 2011 Nole. Sorry guys.
Maybe, but the same dynamic existed with McEnroe and Lendl! They took turns beating each other! Lendl seemed to own McEnroe early, but with encouragement from past great (Budge), John turned it around for a couple years before '85 USO when the tide crashed and Lendl took over for good! I think Pete would have his good results as expected, but sooner or later Nole would break through with fitness and relentless desire to win! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 
Yeah bud, that's why Federer beat Nole at RG in 2011, Wimbledon in 2012 and Cincinnati like a million times.

Djokovic struggled with a slightly past his prime Fed, he isn't doing much better if he is 25 instead of 30.
These different qualifiers keep chuckling me. Pre-prime Fed, Past Prime Fed, Slightly past prime Fed, Slightly above non-prime Fed, Intermediary prime Fed, Prime-but-no-so-prime- Fed, Past-prime but still-a-bit-prime-Fed etc. I am sure there are quite a few more if you keep searching on this forum :)
 

DNShade

Hall of Fame
Maybe, but the same dynamic existed with McEnroe and Lendl! They took turns beating each other! Lendl seemed to own McEnroe early, but with encouragement from past great (Budge), John turned it around for a couple years before '85 USO when the tide crashed and Lendl took over for good! I think Pete would have his good results as expected, but sooner or later Nole would break through with fitness and relentless desire to win! :rolleyes: :p ;)
Not arguing any of that. And don't forget to take the Tatum O'Neal factor into account with Mac - ha. That had more to do with John's level drop and Ivan taking over than probably anything else. And John lost some sting on his serve for a while as well in 85/86 and after his little sabbatical. It was sitting up more especially his second serve.

I was just talking about the "highest level of play" etc as the OP stated.
 

axlrose

Professional
OK let's see 2006 Fed:
W Quatar (by beating Monfils LOL)
W AO (lost 1 set to Baghdatis, 1 to Kiefer, struggled against Davydenko and Haas LOL)
L Dubai (to Nadal, and we all know how good Nadal was on hard at that time LOL)
W IW (beating Blake :D)
W Miami (beating Lujbicic :D)
L MC: lost 1 set to baby Djo
L Rome: lost 1 set to Almagro and Nalbandian :D
L FO
W Wim: Gasquet, Mahut???
W Canada: Gasquet again??? LOL
L Cinci: Lost to baby Murray OMG!
W USO: Beating Roddick Wow!
W Madrid, Basel, WTF (Blake and Gonzo again, you must be kidding me)

Obviously Fed performed much better than Djo after USO, but it's quite understandable after his easy walk in the previous months of the year.

No, he can not claim the title by beating such opponents. Never.
 
I think difficult to argue with the title of the thread. He took on peak Nadal and Federer and proved that I am even peaker. Typically you wait until peak player go down and other usurps that place. But I can't say any of Federer and Nadal were off their peak for that year particularly Nadal. If Djokovic had not upped the game Nadal would have had same year as he had in 2010. He simply bettered Nadal that year who himself remained very good through out the year.
 
OK let's see 2006 Fed:
W Quatar (by beating Monfils LOL)
W AO (lost 1 set to Baghdatis, 1 to Kiefer, struggled against Davydenko and Haas LOL)
L Dubai (to Nadal, and we all know how good Nadal was on hard at that time LOL)
W IW (beating Blake :D)
W Miami (beating Lujbicic :D)
L MC: lost 1 set to baby Djo
L Rome: lost 1 set to Almagro and Nalbandian :D
L FO
W Wim: Gasquet, Mahut???
W Canada: Gasquet again??? LOL
L Cinci: Lost to baby Murray OMG!
W USO: Beating Roddick Wow!
W Madrid, Basel, WTF (Blake and Gonzo again, you must be kidding me)

Obviously Fed performed much better than Djo after USO, but it's quite understandable after his easy walk in the previous months of the year.

No, he can not claim the title by beating such opponents. Never.
You are talking little too much sense for many people to agree. Good analysis.
 

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
These different qualifiers keep chuckling me. Pre-prime Fed, Past Prime Fed, Slightly past prime Fed, Slightly above non-prime Fed, Intermediary prime Fed, Prime-but-no-so-prime- Fed, Past-prime but still-a-bit-prime-Fed etc. I am sure there are quite a few more if you keep searching on this forum :)
Not as bad as the dumb baby or weak era arguments and kinda dumb to act like Fed was in his prime when he was ranked 4 at one point in 2011, his lowest since 2003.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
Not arguing any of that. And don't forget to take the Tatum O'Neal factor into account with Mac - ha. That had more to do with John's level drop and Ivan taking over than probably anything else. And John lost some sting on his serve for a while as well in 85/86 and after his little sabbatical. It was sitting up more especially his second serve.

I was just talking about the "highest level of play" etc as the OP stated.
I thought it was only me pointing fingers at O'Neal! I can still see John rolling around on the grass of Wimbledon in '85 in some kind of stupor going down to the hard-hitting South African, Kevin Curren! It wasn't pretty, but Curren also took care of Connors easily a couple days later en route to the final; losing to Becker in 4! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 

every7

Hall of Fame
Nobody really takes clay seriously. It's a fact.
Roger Federer:

“This could be my biggest victory, the one that takes off the most pressure,” said Federer, a 27-year-old Swiss who was in tears (not for the first time this season) after the 6-1, 7-6 (1), 6-4 victory. “Now for the rest of my career, I can play relaxed and never hear again that I never won the French Open.”
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
Buddy, the likes of JDP/Wawrinka/Berdych/Dimitrov would take titles from those two clowns.
Wow! Young 'baby' Hewitt was a thorn in Sampras and Agassis' sides, having equal/positive H2Hs...What have JDP/Wawa/Berd/Dimi done to Fed (Sampras's equal)? Hmmm 60-14 H2H?
 

3lite

Professional
Roger Federer:

This could be my biggest victory, the one that takes off the most pressure,” said Federer, a 27-year-old Swiss who was in tears (not for the first time this season) after the 6-1, 7-6 (1), 6-4 victory. “Now for the rest of my career, I can play relaxed and never hear again that I never won the French Open.”
Federer, buddy, your greatest victory took place when Soderling did what you could never do.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
Federer, buddy, your greatest victory took place when Soderling did what you could never do.
I still say Federer should buy Soderling something nice and appropriate like a house back in Sweden! Robin truly saved Roger because it looked as if he'd miss out on that 1 major like so many other greats before him; Connors, McEnroe, Sampras, Edberg, & Becker! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
The OP is correct. Fanboys of TTW will not like it but the greats of the game have more or less agreed on this. If I had to pick one player to play for my life, and it was a random surface, I would pick Djokovic 2011 without a doubt.

Sampras:
“At least in my lifetime, the best ever”, Sampras told the Palm Beach Post. He also labeled it “one of the best achievements in all of sports.”


McEnroe:
“Novak has taken tennis to new heights”, said the American.
“Djokovic is having the greatest year in the history of our sport, there’s no doubt about it”, he said. “He bewildered Nadal. I’ve never seen Nadal look as if he doesn’t know what to do – and even on clay in Rome Djokovic made him look like that.”

“Wimbledon was where he separated himself and took himself to a whole new level. He beat Nadal six times in one year and, considering the year Nadal had in 2010, that’s pretty hard to do.”

Courier:
“Novak has two guys who have won double-digit majors, and they are both healthy, and he’s still dominating them”, said Jim Courier, the United States Davis Cup captain and a former world no.1. “That’s what’s most impressive about this season, probably.”

Federer did not have two men of his stature to manhandle at his peak. Djokovic has two players of superior stature to underscore his state of grace. “That’s why this feels more astounding to me”, Courier said.



Connors:
"What he has done in the last year, not only with his game, but his conditioning, I don't know what it is. I don't even know if he knows what it is. But if he could bottle that and sell it, it would be unbelievable."


Becker:
"This man has produced arguably the greatest season in tennis history."

The Earth's Mightiest Warrior..... :cool:
 
It can't be the highest level when Federer might beat him at every slam, and Sampras might beat him at 3 of them.

Peak claydal being in Federer's magnum opus year and that level of player not being around to shut out a surface in 1984 or 2015 really clouds perception. Imagine what Federer would do in those years with no nadal on clay and no exceptional competition on other surfaces either.
I'm talking about the AO-RG stretch specifically. Not the highest level in every single tournament, but altogether.

Claydal was peak in RG 08, other Nadal performances are generally overrated. Painful to watch his opponents, including and especially Federer/Djokovic, falter under pressure time and time and time again. 06 Fed was still better on clay than Mac 84, of course, but grass was equal, with McEnroe more dominant on HC/carpet.
 
As somebody who has maintained about not making a distinction between Jan 1 - Dec 31 as a year and not June 1- May 31, I would pick the Novak from 2015 Wimbledon to 2016 FO as a player better than 2011 Djokovic. Not only the 4 slams+WTF, he beat Fed in 3 slams +WTF. There is nothing more to be expected of him. This is the bestest Novak for me :)
 
I'm talking about the AO-RG stretch specifically. Not the highest level in every single tournament, but altogether.

Claydal was peak in RG 08, other Nadal performances are generally overrated. Painful to watch his opponents, including and especially Federer/Djokovic, falter under pressure time and time and time again. 06 Fed was still better on clay than Mac 84, of course, but grass was equal, with McEnroe more dominant on HC/carpet.
Better level should be that player A should be expected to beat more people than player B can (historically) and ideally player B himself. I doubt that's true here.

AO-RG yes Djokovic 2011 is probably a good choice.
 
Buddy, the likes of JDP/Wawrinka/Berdych/Dimitrov would take titles from those two clowns.
LOL! Would definetly not put JDP and tWawrinka together with Berdych and Dimitrov. By the way; Isner just beat Dimitrov, Verdasco just beat Thiem, and Haase just beat Zverev. So much for the next generation, defeated by three guys post-prime in their thirties. Prime Roddick/Hewitt would eat those guys for breakfast.
 
No. Best tennis player of all time would be 2008 Nadal.

Beating peak Federer on all natural surfaces (including a 6-1, 6-3, 6-0 humiliation) and creating a match which is considered the greatest match of all time (Wimbledon 2008 - the one where Nadal won and Federer lost btw) and whooping Djokovic at the Olympics during a year where he won the AO.

That entire run was amazing from Monte Carlo to the Olympics.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
OK let's see 2006 Fed:
W Quatar (by beating Monfils LOL)
W AO (lost 1 set to Baghdatis, 1 to Kiefer, struggled against Davydenko and Haas LOL)
L Dubai (to Nadal, and we all know how good Nadal was on hard at that time LOL)
W IW (beating Blake :D)
W Miami (beating Lujbicic :D)
L MC: lost 1 set to baby Djo
L Rome: lost 1 set to Almagro and Nalbandian :D
L FO
W Wim: Gasquet, Mahut???
W Canada: Gasquet again??? LOL
L Cinci: Lost to baby Murray OMG!
W USO: Beating Roddick Wow!
W Madrid, Basel, WTF (Blake and Gonzo again, you must be kidding me)

Obviously Fed performed much better than Djo after USO, but it's quite understandable after his easy walk in the previous months of the year.

No, he can not claim the title by beating such opponents. Never.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
just so you know why you failed badly and terribly

Federer beat Nadal and Ancic at wimbledon and you mention gasquet and Mahut ?
Of course you wouldn't even know who Ancic was.

Losing a set on a clay court to Almagro and Nalbandian is bad ?
How clueless are you ?

davydenko was playing very well in AO 06.
Is your memory so traumatized by the beatdowns he's handed to Nadal on HC that you've forgotten how well he can play on HC ?

Blake was playing pretty well in multiple events that year - IW, USO,YEC etc.
 
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