2011 Tsonga vs 2021 Berrettini at Wimbledon

2011 Tsonga vs 2021 Berrettini

  • Tsonga

    Votes: 32 80.0%
  • Berrettini

    Votes: 8 20.0%

  • Total voters
    40

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Both guys lost to different versions of Nole at Wimbledon. Both are formidable power players. Both are alpha male players that fear nothing.

Here’s how I break them down shot by shot:
Serve : Berrettini
FH: Berrettini
BH: Neither good but slight edge Tsonga
RoS: Tsonga?
Movement: Tsonga
Net: Tsonga by a mile

Overall: Tsonga


 
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Kralingen

Legend
Let’s see:

FH - around equal on balance. Berrettini has better accuracy imo. However Tsonga can use his greatest weapon on the run better than Berrettini, and knows that the shot only counts when it clears the net. Tsonga.

BH - Tsonga can hit a 2HBH with power and direction. Berrettini cannot, period.
BH slice - Tsonga can hit more than 3 BH slices without hitting the net or making an error, and he can use BH slices as approach shots to a volley. Berrettini cannot, period.

Movement - Tsonga has developed calf muscles befitting that of an adult tennis player that allow him to run like a professional athlete.
Berrettini is cursed with the calves of a malnourished runway model, and even they have the balance to walk in heels. Everything about his movement is far inferior.

Serve - Tsonga can come up with big first serves on BP and TB points. Berrettini cannot.

Volleys/Net game - Tsonga does not wet himself when between the service line and the net. In fact, he realizes it is his main strength in winning points off of a big forehand or serve.
Berrettini has awful footwork coming to net and questionable decision making at best.

ROS - Tsonga is able to punish 75mph creampuff second serves. Berrettini is not, and Djokovic is thus not forced to adjust to this.
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Let’s see:

FH - around equal on balance. Berrettini has better accuracy imo. However Tsonga can use his greatest weapon on the run better than Berrettini, and knows that the shot only counts when it clears the net. Tsonga.

BH - Tsonga can hit a 2HBH with power and direction. Berrettini cannot, period.
BH slice - Tsonga can hit more than 3 BH slices without hitting the net or making an error, and he can use BH slices as approach shots to a volley. Berrettini cannot, period.

Movement - Tsonga has developed calf muscles befitting that of an adult tennis player that allow him to run like a professional athlete.
Berrettini is cursed with the calves of a malnourished runway model, and even they have the balance to walk in heels. Everything about his movement is far inferior.

Serve - Tsonga can come up with big first serves on BP and TB points. Berrettini cannot.

Volleys/Net game - Tsonga does not wet himself when between the service line and the net. In fact, he realizes it is his main strength in winning points off of a big forehand or serve.
Berrettini has awful footwork coming to net and questionable decision making at best.

ROS - Tsonga is able to punish 75mph creampuff second serves. Berrettini is not, and Djokovic is thus not forced to adjust to this.
So Tsonga would win CYGS without dropping a set in the weak mug era of today?
 

Kralingen

Legend
So Tsonga would win CYGS without dropping a set in the weak mug era of today?
Lol. The idea of Tsonga was always better than real Tsonga, but he had a great peak level. He beat Nadal in a grass warm up tournament in 2011 and came back from 2-0 to win 3 straight sets against ‘11 Federer in the Wimby QF. For you to compare that to Berrettini is disrespectful.

Yes, he was an inconsistent player, but had self confidence and real explosive movement for a big man, and crucially knew how to play at the net. I think at the time people compared him to how some of the 90s big guys would play in today’s game.
 

Checkmate

Hall of Fame
Lol. The idea of Tsonga was always better than real Tsonga, but he had a great peak level. He beat Nadal in a grass warm up tournament in 2011 and came back from 2-0 to win 3 straight sets against ‘11 Federer in the Wimby QF. For you to compare that to Berrettini is disrespectful.

Yes, he was an inconsistent player, but had self confidence and real explosive movement for a big man, and crucially knew how to play at the net. I think at the time people compared him to how some of the 90s big guys would play in today’s game.
Tsonga might struggle against Berrettini's 136 mph serve though. That might give Berrittinni some confidence in his ground game. Djokovic reached deuce in almost all of Berry's service games.
 

Kralingen

Legend
in the 2011 Wimbledon QF, Jo Wilfried Tsonga played 25 service games against 2011 Roger Federer coming off a win over Djokovic at the French Open.

Tsonga faced ONE break point across the entire match. One single break point.
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Lol. The idea of Tsonga was always better than real Tsonga, but he had a great peak level. He beat Nadal in a grass warm up tournament in 2011 and came back from 2-0 to win 3 straight sets against ‘11 Federer in the Wimby QF. For you to compare that to Berrettini is disrespectful.

Yes, he was an inconsistent player, but had self confidence and real explosive movement for a big man, and crucially knew how to play at the net. I think at the time people compared him to how some of the 90s big guys would play in today’s game.
Tsonga had an epic peak! That 2008
AO SF vs Nadal was an absolute demolition!
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Lol. The idea of Tsonga was always better than real Tsonga, but he had a great peak level. He beat Nadal in a grass warm up tournament in 2011 and came back from 2-0 to win 3 straight sets against ‘11 Federer in the Wimby QF. For you to compare that to Berrettini is disrespectful.

Yes, he was an inconsistent player, but had self confidence and real explosive movement for a big man, and crucially knew how to play at the net. I think at the time people compared him to how some of the 90s big guys would play in today’s game.
I agree with you that he’d have given current Djokovic a better match than anyone else in the field…
 
I know OP has an agenda.

But if he actually goes on to watch 2011 WB QF against Federer ( damn sure he just looked it up on wiki and hasn't seen it) he will find that Tsonga in last 3 sets of the match streamrolled a Federer that wasn't playing bad ,ON GRASS.Then he went on to give a good match to Djokovic.

They used to have the whole match on a Russian site, can't remember the site's name, but if I did I will link it here.
 

Kralingen

Legend
I know OP has an agenda.

But if he actually goes on to watch 2011 WB QF against Federer ( damn sure he just looked it up on wiki and hasn't seen it) he will find that Tsonga in last 3 sets of the match streamrolled a Federer that wasn't playing bad ,ON GRASS.Then he went on to give a good match to Djokovic.

They used to have the whole match on a Russian site, can't remember the site's name, but if I did I will link it here.
I just looked this up, Tsonga hit 78% first serves and that’s across an entire match. I’m willing to bet anything that number was ~83% for the final 3 sets, which means that Federer got a look at a 2nd serve every 6 serves. When you combine that with great movement and an actually impressive net game and FH, you have a peak level that can give anyone a match. When I say anyone I truly mean anyone, if you hit 80% first serves at a 120mph average.

Djokovic 2011 was too strong for a Tsonga that was definitely not serving 80% first serves but he had a lot of chances too, it wasn’t a straightforward 4 setter in the slightest.
 

Tennisfan339

Professional
Barring the 2009 withdrawal and his 2 worst years, Tsonga and Wawrinka are the only 2 guys who beat Djokovic in his favorite Slam, since his first title in 2008.
He came back from 0-2 In Federer's favorite slam. Even if Anderson also did it, 2011 Fed was better than 2018.
Clay is his worst surface yet he still reached 2 SF and a QF, beat Federer-Wawrinka and had match points against Djokovic.
He has beaten every members of the big3 at least 3 times, and beat all of them in Slams.
Played the QF of all Slams and SF of 3 of the 5 majors.
One of the ONLY guy (outside of big4) with 2 Masters1000 titles (now only Zverev and Medvedev did it)
Beat 3 members of the big4 in the same tournament. Prime Djokovic, Murray and Federer,... in a row.
Still one of the active players with the biggest number of titles (18), after the big4.

These achievements make him a better player than guys like Berdych or Ferrer imo. Definitely better than Berrettini (so far)

I will always think his best chance to win a Slam was Wimbledon 2016. Lost in 5 against Murray but should never have lost the first set. He was the better player for most of the match that day. He would have played Berdych in SF and Raonic in Final, who couldn't take a set against Murray. I believe he was the favorite of the tournament if he won that QF.
 
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Tsonga > Berrettini (so far)

Tsonga was considered a gatekeeper player from 2008-2015. Berrettini is considered the best grass talent of the new generation. Says it all about this era.
 

Hamnavoe

Hall of Fame
I was surprised to find out that Berrettin's career hold % is higher than Tsonga's, though only by 0.2%, so that's something.

Other than that though I don't think he does anything better (forehand is comparable maybe), so it's a clear advantage to Tsonga.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Tsonga has more talent in one skin cell of his little finger than Berrettini has in his entire body. That's not to say Matteo is bad, but Tsonga was easily one of the most talented players to never win a Slam.
 

kishnabe

Talk Tennis Guru
2011 Tsonga would beat Djokovic in the final today. Djokovic played at 40%....muggest Wimbledon final since 2013.
 

Kralingen

Legend
Make it a thread.
If Tsonga hits 83% first serves over 3 straight sets like he did in the QF I think the better comparison is Tsonga vs prime PETE or prime Federer tbh. Watch the highlights Federer forced only one single break point. Ridiculous. However this is my exact issue with peak level comparisons on a one-off match.

expecting any player to replicate that is ludicrous and thus makes the comparison difficult. One could make an argument that peak Isner, being one who hits 90% first serves, would never lose a single service game.
 

Aabye5

Hall of Fame
I like this one... :unsure:

Tsonga? Just because he is more than a serve and forehand? If he doesn't get injured
 
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