2012 ATP World Tour Finals: Roger FEDERER vs. Andy MURRAY

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by Ico, Nov 10, 2012.

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Who advances to the final?

Poll closed Nov 12, 2012.
  1. Federer in 2

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  2. Federer in 3

    22.5%
  3. Murray in 2

    22.5%
  4. Murray in 3

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  1. Ico

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    Guaranteed match-up after Roger won a set (according to skysport anyway). This is a big one.
     
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  2. tennis_pro

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    Nope, not guaranteed.

    If Del Potro wins today and Ferrer loses, Del Potro wins the group. Maybe guys from skysport assume that Ferrer will beat Tipsarevic.
     
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  3. Terenigma

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    Can you blame them? If this is the matchup tho, id say murray in 2. I think murray is playing too good to let an average federer beat him.
     
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  4. joeri888

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    With the way Rog is playing, it doesn't matter much. Djokovic-Andy final
     
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  5. kishnabe

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    Ferrer beating the Tipsy in the form he this week is 100 percent guarantee.

    I would put some money on Ferrer.
     
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  6. Magnus

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    Murray in 3, I can't see this Fed wins against the top dogs.
     
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  7. Ico

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    If this match ends up not happening, just let the thread die (of course). Foolish of me to believe the commentator without researching the scenarios myself.
     
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  8. Federer20042006

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    Federer's in absolutely horrid form. His backhand has never looked worse.

    Murray in straights, assuming that's the match.
     
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  9. tennis_pro

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    Who do you think Federer has a better chance of beating, guys? Is it Murray or Djokovic?

    I'm on the fence with this one, Djokovic is a better match-up for Federer but he's in great form this tournament, Murray on the other hand is always tough for Federer in best-of-3-set matches on a hard court (Federer has won their last 2 meetings at the WTF in London, though).
     
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  10. kishnabe

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    I'll go with Murray. I expect Murray to choke on MP....and inevitably lose the match in the end.

    Djokovic just seems ruthless....if Federer can manage that one....I bet he won't have energy to beat Murray.
     
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  11. Fedfer

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    Murray in three
     
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  12. kalyan4fedever

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    Murra in 1 fed says enough is enough i cant play pushers no more[sic]
     
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  13. NatF

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    If Federer plays how he did in the second set today he has a good chance.
     
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  14. tennis_pro

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    Murray 6-3 6-2, he's not in the best of forms but is solid enough to beat a below-par Federer comfortably.

    I mean, wait till Ferrer beats Tipsarevic, lolz.

    In a Federer-Djokovic match-up I'd go with Djokovic 6-4 6-4.
     
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  15. sbengte

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    Murray in straights, no doubt about it.
    Fed definitely had a better chance of beating Djoker. Of late, I feel Fed is somehow more confident/more motivated to beat Djoker than Murray.
    I hope Delpo makes the final now that Ferrer is out.
     
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    Neither, sadly. :(
     
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  17. veroniquem

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    You people are jinxing it. Too bad, I really wanted to see that Fed/Murray semi :evil:
     
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  18. Feather

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    Roger Federer in two

    I have faith in Federer. I remember I was vouching for his win in Wimbledon and now also I feel the same. Roger will win this the 7th time. I don't care past, and I am sure he will bring a better performance in semi final
     
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  19. romeo8880

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    I don't understand why del potro advances over ferrer if they both have 1 loss. Ferrer beat del potro so it's ridiculous.
     
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  20. veroniquem

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    I think you're wrong. Ferrer has only had 1 match won so far (Delpo). If he loses to Tipsy, he will end up with 1 win/2 losses. And Delpo will have 2 wins/1 loss. Then it would be perfectly normal that Delpo would qualify over Ferrer. If Ferrer wins vs Tipsy, he will have one win in straights, one win in 3 and one loss in straights vs Delpo: one win in straights, one win in 3 BUT one loss IN 3. I agree with you, I hate the RR system but if you follow its logic, then it has to be Delpo over Ferrer.
     
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    Ferrer has no chance to qualify at all though, even if he beats Tipsy in straight sets.
     
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  22. veroniquem

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    Yep, I amended my post explaining why it is normal (according to RR logic) that Delpo would qualify either way.
     
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    I agree then. ;)
     
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  24. tudwell

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    But Del Potro beat Federer. And Federer beat Ferrer. And they all have one loss.

    If Ferrer beats Tipsarevic in straights, he'll be 4-3 in sets. Del Potro is at 5-3, Federer 5-2. They both have better records, so they both advance over Ferrer.
     
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  25. romeo8880

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    So it's the sets thing? What if they were both 2-1 with the same amount of sets ?
     
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  26. monfed

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    Fred should tank this one and prepare for Abu Dhabi.
     
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  27. Towser83

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    Fed has one loss too and in a 3 way tie the sets and games matter , not the h2h.

    wonder if ferrer will tank to punish fed Haha.
     
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  28. romeo8880

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    Looks like it early on. Ferrer must be completely deflated.
     
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  29. Tammo

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    Shame that Ferrer will end his year like this
     
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  30. veroniquem

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    Ferrer tanking. Fed will play Djoko. You'd better erase this thread now.
     
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  31. romeo8880

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    Ferrer should receive a very heavy fine if he loses this match.
     
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    Aaaaand Janko goes up a double break 3-0 in the first set.

    Fail thread, OP, fail thread....
     
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  34. TheF1Bob

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    Not only is Ferrer a lapdog, he participates in match fixing.
     
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  35. Rozroz

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    wtf is going on here?? Ferrer is the new tanker?
     
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  36. kalyan4fedever

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    hahahha new match up coming guys prepare for an awesome sunday Ferru gets his revenge lol
     
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  37. kishnabe

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    He should tank Abu Dhabi as well since Rafa will be playing.
     
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  38. tennis_pro

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    This is a lesson to never make threads before you're 100 % sure a match will happen
     
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  39. kalyan4fedever

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    Ferru is a fighter dont worry :cool:
     
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  40. Ico

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    Well, I was 100% sure. I was also 100% misguided and 100% wrong. It's not like I started this thread a week ago just so I could be first. C'est la vie.
     
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    It's sad. They shouldn't let him play anymore if he throws this match. Disgusting stuff.
     
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  42. kishnabe

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    I had some respect for how Ferrer fights. If he had a bad day then acceptable.

    Losing to a dizzy 40 percent Tipsarevic because he can't play in the SF.

    Lost all respect for Ferrer.

    They shoul have put Ferrer Tipsy first.....so he won't tank.
     
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  43. kalyan4fedever

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    No one tanks on purpose, also there is money on the line.
     
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    Go watch the match.....Ferrer tanking to save energy for St.David Cup.:(
     
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  45. Rozroz

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    i see Ferrer has read this thread in one of the time breaks and clearly has decided to change his mind.
     
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  46. Goosehead

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    bloody skysports presenters were getting themselves in a tangle with all the scenario's..

    dont worry, just leave all the dead hard sums to tim henman, sue barker, & andrew castle..they know whats going on..or maybe not :confused:
     
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  47. underground

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    All andrew castle got is praising Murray and dissing Federer, worse commentator i've seen and complete Murrraytard. I mean it's fine being a fan but you need to be neutral when commentating, no?
     
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    LOL try Greg Rusedski. King Murrayturd for sure. ;)
     
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  49. tudwell

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    Both who? Federer, del Potro, and potentially Ferrer are all 2-1, so it goes to sets.

    If only Ferrer and del Potro were 2-1, Ferrer would go through with the head-to-head advantage.

    If Ferrer loses against Tipsarevic, then only Federer and del Potro will have gone 2-1, so del Potro advances first, Federer second, due to the head-to-head.

    If there are three people tied, and the sets won tiebreaker doesn't decide, then it goes to games won.
     
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  50. Goosehead

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    andrew castle is a bit vomit making, yes..and his incessent chatter and whining voice dont help either,

    castle even tried to suggest to tim henman that federer might chuck the delpotro match to try and avoid murray in the semi :confused:
     
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