2012 Fed (8th best Wimbledon) beats peak Djokovic convincingly at Wimbledon 2012

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Peak Djokovic!? That was like the 8 or 9th best Wimbledon version of Djokovic in 2012. ;)
So, if that was the "8th or 9th best version" of Djoke, and also considering that he also has only 5 titles there, 2-3 "best versions of Djokovic" were defeated outside of it.

Could you possibly share which were those, and who were the legendary players that stopped him?

 

ForehandCross

Hall of Fame
Peak Djokovic!? That was like the 8 or 9th best Wimbledon version of Djokovic in 2012. ;)
Umm his stats leading upto the Semis are better than 2014, and on return side better than 2015.

Good for you that unlike you lot I do not believe in stats. A simple eye test will reveal Djokovic was more potent in 2014-15.
But you have lost the right to say that, so please delete your post or edit it to call the best Djokovic form at wimbledon who didn't win just because he faced Federer.

Also it wasn't that convincing fro Federer. Djokovic had his chances.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
So, if that was the "8th or 9th best version" of Djoke, and also considering that he also has only 5 titles there, 2-3 "best versions of Djokovic" were defeated outside of it.

Could you possibly share which were those, and who were the legendary players that stopped him?

lets see:

2007 djoko who retired vs nadal in the semi. had 2 real tough matches vs past his prime hewitt and baggy
2008 djoko who got crushed by Safin
2009 djoko who got beaten convincingly by Haas
2010 Djoko who got crushed by Berdych
2013 Djoko who got crushed by Murray in the final
2016 djoko who got beaten convincingly by Querrey
2017 Djoko who retired vs Berdych
2019 Djoko who struggled with RBA and had to save off 2 MPs and rely on ~38 year old Fed choking horribly in TBs to win (and djoko playing 2 mediocre sets) (this 19 fed who was considerably worse than 12 Wim fed)

only 11, 14,15,18 have a real claim of being better than 12.
13 would be if he had put up a fight in the final.

but then rabid fed-hating django got disturbed. So his nonsense is to be expected
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
Umm his stats leading upto the Semis are better than 2014, and on return side better than 2015.

Good for you that unlike you lot I do not believe in stats. A simple eye test will reveal Djokovic was more potent in 2014-15.
But you have lost the right to say that, so please delete your post or edit it to call the best Djokovic form at wimbledon who didn't win just because he faced Federer.

Also it wasn't that convincing fro Federer. Djokovic had his chances.
Naah, Djokovic was just atrocious in 2012. He was on the ropes already against Stepanek and struggling mightly against Florian Mayer. He was playing that SF only because one of the softiest cakewalks in the recent memory. I mean, Troicki, Stepanek, Mayer for the chance of playing in the SF. Hilarious.:laughing:
I mean he lost against an injured Grandpa with bad back in that tournament. What more can be said...;)
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
lets see:

2007 djoko who retired vs nadal in the semi. had 2 real tough matches vs past his prime hewitt and baggy
2008 djoko who got crushed by Safin
2009 djoko who got beaten convincingly by Haas
2010 Djoko who got crushed by Berdych
2013 Djoko who got crushed by Murray in the final
2016 djoko who got beaten convincingly by Querrey
2017 Djoko who retired vs Berdych
2019 Djoko who struggled with RBA and had to save off 2 MPs and rely on ~38 year old Fed choking horribly in TBs to win (and djoko playing 2 mediocre sets) (this 19 fed who was considerably worse than 12 Wim fed)

only 11, 14,15,18 have a real claim of being better than 12.
13 would be if he had put up a fight in the final.

but then rabid fed-hating django got disturbed. So his nonsense is to be expected
Exactly, but I want him to cover for his statement. I am really curious which players he deems better than Djoke's 6th/7th/8th best versions on grass. That could have some implications on the discussions with Djokvoic's fan base going forward. I don't expect him to do that, though. Usually they cave as soon as they are found out.

 

blablavla

Legend
So, if that was the "8th or 9th best version" of Djoke, and also considering that he also has only 5 titles there, 2-3 "best versions of Djokovic" were defeated outside of it.

Could you possibly share which were those, and who were the legendary players that stopped him?

no, because the citizens of Wonderland didn't have yet a vote on the matter
 

blablavla

Legend
lets see:

2007 djoko who retired vs nadal in the semi. had 2 real tough matches vs past his prime hewitt and baggy
2008 djoko who got crushed by Safin
2009 djoko who got beaten convincingly by Haas
2010 Djoko who got crushed by Berdych
2013 Djoko who got crushed by Murray in the final
2016 djoko who got beaten convincingly by Querrey
2017 Djoko who retired vs Berdych
2019 Djoko who struggled with RBA and had to save off 2 MPs and rely on ~38 year old Fed choking horribly in TBs to win (and djoko playing 2 mediocre sets) (this 19 fed who was considerably worse than 12 Wim fed)

only 11, 14,15,18 have a real claim of being better than 12.
13 would be if he had put up a fight in the final.

but then rabid fed-hating django got disturbed. So his nonsense is to be expected
no mercy here
you got him / her owned really bad here
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
Exactly, but I want him to cover for his statement. I am really curious which players he deems better than Djoke's 6th/7th/8th best versions on grass. That could have some implications on the discussions with Djokvoic's fan base going forwards. I don't expect him to do that, though. Usually they cave as soon as they are found out.

2007, 2010 and 2013, all much better versions than 2012. ;)
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Naah, Djokovic was just atrocious in 2012. He was on the ropes already against Stepanek and struggling mightly against Florian Mayer. He was playing that SF only because one of the softiest cakewalks in the recent memory. I mean, Troicki, Stepanek, Mayer for the chance of playing in the SF. Hilarious.:laughing:
I mean he lost against an injured Grandpa with bad back in that tournament. What more can be said...;)
poor Django is so shook up he doesn't get Djoko's struggle vs Stepanek was in Wim 14. Djokovic 2, 2 and 2'ed Stepanek in the last 3 sets in Wim 12.
Djoko beat Florian Mayer convincingly, didn't struggle. django is so shook up he makes up imaginary struggles now.

Fed recovered from back injury by the time of the QF. Its why he whopped beat peak Djokovic and peak Murray convincingly. (even if it was Fed's 8th best Wimbledon)

tchh, tchh, Django. tchh, tchh.
Get well soon.
 

ForehandCross

Hall of Fame
Naah, Djokovic was just atrocious in 2012. He was on the ropes already against Stepanek and struggling mightly against Florian Mayer. He was playing that SF only because one of the softiest cakewalks in the recent memory. I mean, Troicki, Stepanek, Mayer for the chance of playing in the SF. Hilarious.:laughing:
I mean he lost against an injured Grandpa with bad back in that tournament. What more can be said...;)

Are you freaking kidding me? Dude look up your fav website Tennis Abstract.

2012 Djokovic upto Semis leads 2014-15 Novak in most of stats

Djokovic 2014 was losing to Cilic, Dimitrov
2015 almost lost to Anderson
2011 had his hands full with Baghdatis and Tomic


Man this is funny.
 

blablavla

Legend
Naah, Djokovic was just atrocious in 2012. He was on the ropes already against Stepanek and struggling mightly against Florian Mayer. He was playing that SF only because one of the softiest cakewalks in the recent memory. I mean, Troicki, Stepanek, Mayer for the chance of playing in the SF. Hilarious.:laughing:
I mean he lost against an injured Grandpa with bad back in that tournament. What more can be said...;)
but your comrade is arguing that Nole had some of the toughest draws, no?
you can't have it both ways, tough and berry weak
Slams won beating <28.0 ranked opponents:
2011-16 Djokovic --> 11/11
and by the way that "injured Grandpa" is right there in the top wins according to your comrade
Average ranking position of opponents (geometric mean):

Nadal 2013 RG - 12.4
Djokovic 2011 AO - 13.4
Djokovic 2016 AO - 15.1
Djokovic 2013 AO - 15.3
Federer 2010 AO - 16.2
Djokovic 2015 WI - 16.9
Nadal 2007 RG - 17.0
Federer 2007 AO - 17.9
Nadal 2006 RG - 18.2
Federer 2005 WI - 19.0
Nadal 2011 RG / Federer 2012 WI / Djokovic 2015 UO - 19.1
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Are you freaking kidding me? Dude look up your fav website Tennis Abstract.

2012 Djokovic upto Semis leads 2014-15 Novak in most of stats

Djokovic 2014 was losing to Cilic, Dimitrov
2015 almost lost to Anderson
2011 had his hands full with Baghdatis and Tomic


Man this is funny.
of course he is disturbed. Like I said ->

poor Django is so shook up he doesn't get Djoko's struggle vs Stepanek was in Wim 14. Djokovic 2, 2 and 2'ed Stepanek in the last 3 sets in Wim 12.
Djoko beat Florian Mayer convincingly, didn't struggle. django is so shook up he makes up imaginary struggles now.

Fed recovered from back injury by the time of the QF. Its why he whopped beat peak Djokovic and peak Murray convincingly. (even if it was Fed's 8th best Wimbledon)

tchh, tchh, Django. tchh, tchh.
Get well soon.
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
Djokovic level over the years:
2015
2018
2019
2014
2011
2013
2010
2007
2016~2012.

2012 is objectively at the bottom Top 10 of his Wimbledon performances in his career.;)
 

Krish0608

Hall of Fame
poor Django is so shook up he doesn't get Djoko's struggle vs Stepanek was in Wim 14. Djokovic 2, 2 and 2'ed Stepanek in the last 3 sets in Wim 12.
Djoko beat Florian Mayer convincingly, didn't struggle. django is so shook up he makes up imaginary struggles now.

Fed recovered from back injury by the time of the QF. Its why he whopped beat peak Djokovic and peak Murray convincingly. (even if it was Fed's 8th best Wimbledon)

tchh, tchh, Django. tchh, tchh.
Get well soon.
In fact it was Federer who was struggling throughout the tournament. Going 5 vs Benneteau and dropping a set vs Xavier Malisse. But needless to say even an "okayish" Federer was too much for prime Novak, who was the defending champ in 2012. :D
 

blablavla

Legend
Djokovic level over the years:
2015
2018
2019
2014
2011
2013
2010
2007
2016~2012.

2012 is objectively at the bottom Top 10 of his Wimbledon performances in his career.;)
woooot?
wasn't 2011 the year of total Novak domination?
you must be trolling if you believe that 2018 / 2019 was stronker than 2011 :-D :-D :-D
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
poor Django is so shook up he doesn't get Djoko's struggle vs Stepanek was in Wim 14. Djokovic 2, 2 and 2'ed Stepanek in the last 3 sets in Wim 12.
Djoko beat Florian Mayer convincingly, didn't struggle. django is so shook up he makes up imaginary struggles now.

Fed recovered from back injury by the time of the QF. Its why he whopped beat peak Djokovic and peak Murray convincingly. (even if it was Fed's 8th best Wimbledon)

tchh, tchh, Django. tchh, tchh.
Get well soon.
Like always you're seeing the result and not the actual match. Stepanek was the better player for the set and a half in 2012. If not for some injury back then, which hampered his performance after the second set, he would have won that match easily. Now, of you go to your YouTube highlights and Wikipedia tennis pages.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Like always you're seeing the result and not the actual match. Stepanek was the better player for the set and a half in the 2012. If not for some injury back then, which hampered his performance after the second set, he would have won that match easily. Now, of you go to your YouTube highlights and Wikipedia tennis pages.
Dude, I have so many full matches with me that you won't match in 100 lifetimes. (have watched majority of them). This is apart from watching many matches live.
Djoko didn't struggle vs Florian Mayer. He beat him convincingly. I saw that match.
Losing a set vs Stepanek in 12 doesn't mean much. The actual struggle was in Wim 14 - which was a tight 4-setter.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
2007, 2010 and 2013, all much better versions than 2012. ;)
So, Djokovic was much better in a tournament against a competition which is regularly lambasted here as "weak era": literally, he played Baggy and Hewitt, who have been announced from the likes of you to be "mugs". On top of that he was struggling mightily against them 4 sets vs many-o-surgeries Hewitt, 5 sets vs the "ultimate mug" (am I doing this right?) Baggy. Lost a set against the world beater Amer Delic, lost a set vs unseeded Kiefer. Retired vs Nadal. Yep, he was better :-D

But. Let's see his 2010: playing again, oh, look here, again, a mug from the weak era Hewitt in the R16, three years later, and AGAIN losing a set. And how about the QFist world beater world #82 Yen Hsun! Losing in straights to Berdman. Yep, definitely better.

2013 I can see being in contention, but the way he lost catastrophically to Murray in the final makes me put it below 2012.

 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
Dude, I have so many full matches with me that you won't match in 100 lifetimes. (have watched majority of them). Djoko didn't struggle vs Florian Mayer. He beat him convincingly. I saw that match.
Losing a set vs Stepanek in 12 doesn't mean much. The actual struggle was in Wim 14 - which was a tight 4-setter.
Dude, like i've said Djokovic struggles were real visible in that tournament. I already said what I saw in the Stepanek match. The Mayer match was 50-50 in the Set 1 and 3. Mayer was up a break in the first set iirc, Djoko escaped some big time troubles in that match against the German journeyman.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Dude, like i've said Djokovic struggles were real visible in that tournament. I already said what I saw in the Stepanek match. The Mayer match was 50-50 in the Set 1 and 3. Mayer was up a break in the first set iirc, Djoko escaped some big time troubles in that match against the German journeyman.
Novak Djokovic, the defending champion, was in imperious form as he swept past Germany's Florian Mayer to reach the Wimbledon semi-finals, his ninth consecutive last-four appearance in a grand slam event.


Djokovic lost his serve once, broke 5 times. LULZ.

struggle is Stepanek match in Wim 14, Cilic match in 14, Dimitrov match in 14, Anderson match in 15, RBA match in Wim 19 etc.
 

blablavla

Legend
Dude, like i've said Djokovic struggles were real visible in that tournament. I already said what I saw in the Stepanek match. The Mayer match was 50-50 in the Set 1 and 3. Mayer was up a break in the first set iirc, Djoko escaped some big time troubles in that match against the German journeyman.
Djokovic was just atrocious in 2012. ... and struggling mightly against Florian Mayer
6-4 6-1 6-4
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
Novak Djokovic, the defending champion, was in imperious form as he swept past Germany's Florian Mayer to reach the Wimbledon semi-finals, his ninth consecutive last-four appearance in a grand slam event.


Djokovic lost his serve once, broke 5 times. LULZ.

struggle is Stepanek match in Wim 14, Cilic match in 14, Dimitrov match in 14, Anderson match in 15, RBA match in Wim 19 etc.
Go back and watch that match and you will see what I'm talking about.
Anyway, Djokovic lost in the SF to a badly injured Grandpa Federer who was struggling with physical issues throughout the whole tournament. Well playing Djokovic in his prime don't lose to an Injured, physically incapacitated Grandpa Fed, that's for sure. ;)
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Go back and watch that match and you will see what I'm talking about.
Anyway, Djokovic lost in the SF to a badly injured Grandpa Federer who was struggling with physical issues throughout the whole tournament. Well playing Djokovic in his prime don't lose to an Injured, physically incapacitated Grandpa Fed, that's for sure. ;)
going a break down vs an unconventional player and breaking back twice in the same set isn't struggling. neither is breadsticking him. neither is taking the final set 6-4.
struggle is Stepanek match in Wim 14, Cilic match in 14, Dimitrov match in 14, Anderson match in 15, RBA match in Wim 19 etc.

Fed wasn't struggling with issues through the tournament - only vs benneteau and malisse.

But its nice to see the salt coming out so freely,
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Go back and watch that match and you will see what I'm talking about.
Anyway, Djokovic lost in the SF to a badly injured Grandpa Federer who was struggling with physical issues throughout the whole tournament. Well playing Djokovic in his prime don't lose to an Injured, physically incapacitated Grandpa Fed, that's for sure. ;)
LOL, So Federer flattened also Murray while "badly injured"?

:-D :-D :-D
 

blablavla

Legend
Go back and watch that match and you will see what I'm talking about.
Anyway, Djokovic lost in the SF to a badly injured Grandpa Federer who was struggling with physical issues throughout the whole tournament. Well playing Djokovic in his prime don't lose to an Injured, physically incapacitated Grandpa Fed, that's for sure. ;)
why stop here?
a well playing Djokovic didn't lose one single match in his entire career***

*** if we count only the wins
 
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