2012 Miami Final - DJOKOVIC vs. MURRAY

Who takes home the Miami trophy?

  • Djokovic in 2

    Votes: 35 29.2%
  • Djokovic in 3

    Votes: 28 23.3%
  • Murray in 2

    Votes: 10 8.3%
  • Murray in 3

    Votes: 47 39.2%

  • Total voters
    120
  • Poll closed .

Telepatic

Legend
Nole winning 3 tbs against 3 different opponents consecutively = pigs fly..

Ok, bad match but great result for Nole wins Miami again without lost set (did already in 2007) and looked bit better then back in IW.

Murray playing with lots of ues as well, maybe it's due to lack of play, I dunno.
 

Fedex

Legend
murray will never win a slam :)
Bad day at the office today for Murray but you should check out his AO semi vs Djokovic before making statements like that.
Djokovic's serve was incredible today combined with the other normal aspects of his game is a pretty frightening combination.
 

Fedex

Legend
Nole winning 3 tbs against 3 different opponents consecutively = pigs fly..

Ok, bad match but great result for Nole wins Miami again without lost set (did already in 2007) and looked bit better then back in IW.

Murray playing with lots of ues as well, maybe it's due to lack of play, I dunno.
Yes but he had more rest so no excuses.
Wouldn't like to be Murray right now in the dressing room with stone face.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Nole winning 3 tbs against 3 different opponents consecutively = pigs fly..

Ok, bad match but great result for Nole wins Miami again without lost set (did already in 2007) and looked bit better then back in IW.

Murray playing with lots of ues as well, maybe it's due to lack of play, I dunno.
I think he played much better here than in IW, in Miami this year he was actually aggressive with his FH the whole tourney and overall served pretty decently.
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
Excellent win for Djoko. Very well played. Truly a World #1 worthy performance.

It seems to beat Djoko you need:

- Clutch serving and forehand of Fed
- Courage, mental tenacity and movement of Nadal
- Backhand and ROS of Murray
- Power of Del Potro.

We'll need to design a hybrid player to beat Noel. He seems on course for a clean sweep of clay titles. Nadal, Fed etc need to be wary..
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like since Murray started working with Lendl he's transformed into a 1 dimensional baseline basher. That style of game just won't do it against Novak.
 

Carsomyr

Legend
I think he played much better here than in IW, in Miami this year he was actually aggressive with his FH the whole tourney and overall served pretty decently.
Really? For most of the match (which admittedly is the only one of Murray's I caught this tournament), his forehand seemed standard Muzzah fare for the past four years - gone was the FH of the AO, where he would actually create havoc off that wing with deep, powerful, and aggressive shots. I saw very little of today.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic's Masters titles

Miami x 3
IW x 2
Canada x 2
Rome x 2
Madrid
Paris

2007 Miami beat Canas 6-3 6-2 6-4 (totally forgot Miami was a 5 setter in 2007!)
2007 Canada beat Federer 7-6(2) 2-6 7-6(2)
2008 Indian Wells beat Fish 6-2 5-7 6-3
2008 Rome beat Wawrinka 4-6 6-3 6-3
2009 Paris beat Monfils 6-2 5-7 7-6(3)
2011 Indian Wells beat Nadal 4-6 6-3 6-2
2011 Miami beat Nadal 4-6 6-3 7-6
2011 Madrid beat Nadal 7-5 6-4
2011 Rome beat Nadal 6-4 6-4
2011 Canada beat Fish 6-2 3-6 6-4
2012 Miami beat Murray 6-1 7-6

Novak ties Pete Sampras on 11 masters and gets his first win in a masters final over Murray, taking the H2H to 8-5 and 6-5 on hardcourt, 2-3 in all finals.
 

Love all

Semi-Pro
Excellent win for Djoko. Very well played. Truly a World #1 worthy performance.

It seems to beat Djoko you need:

- Clutch serving and forehand of Fed
- Courage, mental tenacity and movement of Nadal
- Backhand and ROS of Murray
- Power of Del Potro.

We'll need to design a hybrid player to beat Noel. He seems on course for a clean sweep of clay titles. Nadal, Fed etc need to be wary..
The two weapons in the first options are enouh. Dnt know of the rest thouh, they may fall short.
 
Bad day at the office today for Murray but you should check out his AO semi vs Djokovic before making statements like that.
Djokovic's serve was incredible today combined with the other normal aspects of his game is a pretty frightening combination.
he played great at the AO semi but he chokes at crucial points, he doesnt have a match winning shot or serve (hardly goes over 60 percent). Nadal, federer and djokovic defeated nobodies in their first GS tournament. Murray has to go through atleast 2 of the top 4 guys to win which is highly unlikely imo.
 

Clarky21

Banned
Excellent win for Djoko. Very well played. Truly a World #1 worthy performance.

It seems to beat Djoko you need:

- Clutch serving and forehand of Fed
- Courage, mental tenacity and movement of Nadal
- Backhand and ROS of Murray
- Power of Del Potro.

We'll need to design a hybrid player to beat Noel. He seems on course for a clean sweep of clay titles. Nadal, Fed etc need to be wary..


How about God? Would he be able to do the job well enough in your opinion? Lol.

Murray played like crap today,and barely even put up a fight. I think part of it was due to lack of matches,and lousy serving. Nadal gave Djesus a harder test at this tournament last year and he is horrible anymore,and is a joke on hardcourts(actually,he's a joke on every surface these days). Not an unexpected result,but Murray could have done more without a doubt.
 

Love all

Semi-Pro
Djokovic's Masters titles

Miami x 3
IW x 2
Canada x 2
Rome x 2
Madrid
Paris

2007 Miami beat Canas 6-3 6-2 6-4 (totally forgot Miami was a 5 setter in 2007!)
2007 Canada beat Federer 7-6(2) 2-6 7-6(2)
2008 Indian Wells beat Fish 6-2 5-7 6-3
2008 Rome beat Wawrinka 4-6 6-3 6-3
2009 Paris beat Monfils 6-2 5-7 7-6(3)
2011 Indian Wells beat Nadal 4-6 6-3 6-2
2011 Miami beat Nadal 4-6 6-3 7-6
2011 Madrid beat Nadal 7-5 6-4
2011 Rome beat Nadal 6-4 6-4
2011 Canada beat Fish 6-2 3-6 6-4
2012 Miami beat Murray 6-1 7-6

Novak ties Pete Sampras on 11 masters and gets his first win in a masters final over Murray, taking the H2H to 8-5 and 6-5 on hardcourt, 2-3 in all finals.
Very clutch play in MS Finals by Djoker, didn't lose a single tie breaker. That might be the significant factor.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Excellent win for Djoko. Very well played. Truly a World #1 worthy performance.

It seems to beat Djoko you need:

- Clutch serving and forehand of Fed
- Courage, mental tenacity and movement of Nadal
- Backhand and ROS of Murray
- Power of Del Potro.

We'll need to design a hybrid player to beat Noel. He seems on course for a clean sweep of clay titles. Nadal, Fed etc need to be wary..
Forget about the other 3, you need a well playing Federer who doesn't choke.
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
Murray played like crap today,and barely even put up a fight. I think part of it was due to lack of matches,and lousy serving. Nadal gave Djesus a harder test at this tournament last year and he is horrible anymore,and is a joke on hardcourts(actually,he's a joke on every surface these days). Not an unexpected result,but Murray could have done more without a doubt.
Nadal is playing CRAP, in general and his body is falling apart. Fed is getting too old and losing it mentally these days. Murray was always a pigeon and mental midget in big matches anyway. Delpo is still recovering and may never be back at 2009 level. Soderling is at the end of his career because of mono. Ferrer doesn't have enough game. etc etc.

See what I did there?

In short, there is no one worthy in ATP to beat the current Djokovic. Hell, one can argue that Novak doesn't even need his A game to win titles., He isn't playing at his 2011 level (except in patches) but beating everyone anyway..
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
Forget about the other 3, you need a well playing Federer who doesn't choke.
A well playing Fed would ALSO have his hands full against the current Djoko. Let's be realistic here. Especially on this slow surface. The only place where Fed would have an edge would be indoors or Fast Deco-Turf, Paris etc..
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Very clutch play in MS Finals by Djoker, didn't lose a single tie breaker. That might be the significant factor.
good point! I always thought he has been bad in breakers against the top guys but it seems when he wins he is watertight on those too
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Really? For most of the match (which admittedly is the only one of Murray's I caught this tournament), his forehand seemed standard Muzzah fare for the past four years - gone was the FH of the AO, where he would actually create havoc off that wing with deep, powerful, and aggressive shots. I saw very little of today.
I was talking about Novak not Murray, IMO Novak was more aggressive with his FH at Miami than he was at IW.

I agree that Murray was hitting his FH at AO much, much better than usual (many people concluded that was Lendl's influence), he was actually outhitting Novak off that side I felt in their AO SF, stark contrast to today's match.
 

iriraz

Hall of Fame
Nadal is playing CRAP, in general and his body is falling apart. Fed is getting too old and losing it mentally these days. Murray was always a pigeon and mental midget in big matches anyway. Delpo is still recovering and may never be back at 2009 level. Soderling is at the end of his career because of mono. Ferrer doesn't have enough game. etc etc.

See what I did there?

In short, there is no one worthy in ATP to beat the current Djokovic. Hell, one can argue that Novak doesn't even need his A game to win titles., He isn't playing at his 2011 level (except in patches) but beating everyone anyway..
It`s tough to beat Djokovic playing from the baseline and getting into those long rallies.Someone like Federer and guys with a big serve like Isner who keep Djokovic honest on the return games and give 0 rhythm can beat him.In those matches there are always big points,plenty of TB`s and he might win some of them but he can also lose.
 

Fedex

Legend
Murray can't serve.
Murray definitely has a serve issue. Too often it's off.
Ominously, Djokovic's serve is getting better as if beating him wasn't hard enough.
You could argue a little positive for Murray was that he played badly and served poorly but still took Djokovic to a tie break.
 

daddy

Legend
Very clutch play in MS Finals by Djoker, didn't lose a single tie breaker. That might be the significant factor.
These are the finals he won. He lost a few breakers in the finals he lost. And yes he actually lost quite a few :) If I have my data correct Novak has 30 titles won 14 finals lost, out of which he won 11 master series, 5 grand slams and 2 end of the year masters which is pretty impressive imo, only 13 so called smaller tournaments.
 

Clarky21

Banned
Murray definitely has a serve issue. Too often it's off.
Ominously, Djokovic's serve is getting better as if beating him wasn't hard enough.
You could argue a little positive for Murray was that he played awful and served poorly but still took Djokovic to a tie break.

I don't think Djesus has served that great recently. One decent serving day does not make up for the absolute turds he has been laying lately.
 

TheF1Bob

Banned
Murray definitely has a serve issue. Too often it's off.
Ominously, Djokovic's serve is getting better as if beating him wasn't hard enough.
You could argue a little positive for Murray was that he played badly and served poorly but still took Djokovic to a tie break.
Novak wasn't at his best neither mind you, ok at best. The scoreline flattered Murray no doubt.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Nadal is playing CRAP, in general and his body is falling apart. Fed is getting too old and losing it mentally these days. Murray was always a pigeon and mental midget in big matches anyway. Delpo is still recovering and may never be back at 2009 level. Soderling is at the end of his career because of mono. Ferrer doesn't have enough game. etc etc.
Whose pigeon is Murray?? :confused: This is the first MS1000 final he's lost to Djokovic in 4 such meetings!
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
Whose pigeon is Murray?? :confused: This is the first MS1000 final he's lost to Djokovic in 4 such meetings!
Take it easy dude. That whole sentence was on a lighter note.

While I am disappointed by Muzza today (and at times in the past), I do have a lot of respect for him and his game..
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
Updated list of Miami champions:

Miami champions
1985: Tim Mayotte
1986: Ivan Lendl
1987: Miloslav Mecir
1988: Mats Wilander
1989: Ivan Lendl
1990: Andre Agassi
1991: Jim Courier
1992: Michael Chang
1993: Pete Sampras
1994: Pete Sampras
1995: Andre Agassi
1996: Andre Agassi
1997: Thomas Muster
1998: Marcelo Rios
1999: Richard Krajicek
2000: Pete Sampras
2001: Andre Agassi
2002: Andre Agassi
2003: Andre Agassi
2004: Andy Roddick
2005: Roger Federer
2006: Roger Federer
2007: Novak Djokovic
2008: Nikolay Davydenko
2009: Andy Murray
2010: Andy Roddick
2011: Novak Djokovic
2012: Novak Djokovic
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Novak wasn't at his best neither mind you, ok at best. The scoreline flattered Murray no doubt.
He defended quite well in the 2nd set and forced enough errors from Djokovic to take it to tie-break. Djokovic was just serving better and hitting the ball harder and finding the lines. What he does best.

Pity Murray couldn't take it into a decider. Things might have got really interesting then. But as it was, the scoreline was pretty fair IMO.
 

Clarky21

Banned
Nadal is playing CRAP, in general and his body is falling apart. Fed is getting too old and losing it mentally these days. Murray was always a pigeon and mental midget in big matches anyway. Delpo is still recovering and may never be back at 2009 level. Soderling is at the end of his career because of mono. Ferrer doesn't have enough game. etc etc.

See what I did there?

In short, there is no one worthy in ATP to beat the current Djokovic. Hell, one can argue that Novak doesn't even need his A game to win titles., He isn't playing at his 2011 level (except in patches) but beating everyone anyway..


The only players who can even come close to beating Djesus is Fed,Murray,and like someone else said,a big server like Isner. Nadal will never beat him again,and I am glad he is out with injury if that means he will avoid Djesus. I think he should also consider skipping MC as well and just take some time off(permanently if he isn't going to get it together)to rest and work on his sewer quality game. He ain't winning that title anyway so why push it,imo. As for Delpo,he is not beating Djesus. He wasn't able to beat Djesus pre-Dr.Igor while he was playing the best tennis of his career. This Delpo ain't beating Dr. Igor's FrankenCvac anywhere.
 

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
Murray definitely has a serve issue. Too often it's off.
Ominously, Djokovic's serve is getting better as if beating him wasn't hard enough.
You could argue a little positive for Murray was that he played badly and served poorly but still took Djokovic to a tie break.
and also the GOAT Monaco, so what?
 

Clarky21

Banned
Take it easy dude. That whole sentence was on a lighter note.

While I am disappointed by Muzza today (and at times in the past), I do have a lot of respect for him and his game..
I am disappointed in Murray too,because I know he is better than what he showed today. With Fed pushing his walker toward the nursing home(chill Fedfans,It's just a joke:lol:),he is really the only competition FrankenCvac has. His serve let him down badly today,and he needs to work on that asap. Lendl needs to crack the whip on his a** after this match,for sure.
 

Fedex

Legend
Novak wasn't at his best neither mind you, ok at best. The scoreline flattered Murray no doubt.
So we're agreeing, Murray played very poorly and still took Djokovic to a tie break?
Djokovic didn't play badly and his serve was outstanding. Still a formidable prospect.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
I am disappointed in Murray too,because I know he is better than what he showed today. With Fed pushing his walker toward the nursing home(chill Fedfans,It's just a joke:lol:),he is really the only competition FrankenCvac has. His serve let him down badly today,and he needs to work on that asap. Lendl needs to crack the whip on his a** after this match,for sure.
Hmmm...methinks Murray was already doing okay before he showed up. Haven't seen any noticeable improvement to his game since Uncle Ivan got on board. Certainly not today anyway! :twisted:
 

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
So we're agreeing, Murray played very poorly and still took Djokovic to a tie break?
Djokovic didn't play badly and his serve was outstanding. Still a formidable prospect.
no no. Djoko 1st serve % was good in the 1st set.
2nd set it went severely down, as in all his last matches.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
no no. Djoko 1st serve % was good in the 1st set.
2nd set it went severely down, as in all his last matches.
It is a bit curious that in each of his last 3 matches, he handed out ducks, bagels and breadsticks in the 1st set and then got taken to tie-break in the 2nd!
 

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
Serve on important points was outstanding.
ok, i agree.
what i meant was that Novak played EXACTLY the same VS Monaco, which elevated his game on 2nd set, same as Murray VS a very mediocre Djoko who just produced a good enough finish on TB.
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
Hmmm...methinks Murray was already doing okay before he showed up. Haven't seen any noticeable improvement to his game since Uncle Ivan got on board. Certainly not today anyway! :twisted:
I think the AO SF was very encouraging for me. IMO Murray outplayed Djokovic for the majority of that match.. He should have won it, but for the unfortunate Tank job in set 4 and overall lack of stamina+ killers instinct.

I still maintain that Murray has it in him to be the biggest rival for Djoko (bigger than Fed). If Murray plays well, he can definitely make Djoko very uncomfortable and draw errors from the Serb. Especially on faster courts.

The Key for Murray is always his serve, and to a lesser extent his forehand. If Murray can just up his consistency of serving and be a little decisive with his forehand he could climb up the ranks and win major(s). I'm Lendl's efforts will start to beat fruit later this year, and through the next. Either way all good signs from Murray. He's NOT gone into his traditional post AO slump and looks good for the clay season and Wimbledon in particular..
 
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