Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by zagor, Jan 25, 2013.
Yeah AO 2011 lol
The denial is strong with this one.
Djokovic has to do a LOT more to be the second best player of this generation. He has to dominate a surface as completely as Nadal did. Beat the #1 player several times, and get 5 more slams (Assuming he wins this AO).
Again all that is assuming, Nadal's career has ended or that Nadal won't win any more slams. If Nadal actually wins one or more slams (however unlikely that might be), Djoko's task will become harder still. With Murray improving, do you expect Djoko with his punishing style to win slams for several more years?
Lastly, if Murray actually beats Djoko in AO 2013 Final on Sunday, in what has been Djoko's best surface, then all bets are off. Murray might become more dominant still, and Djoko will find it harder to win elsewhere. He was never that good on grass. And hardcourts would always have Murray and Federer. Personally, I think Murray has WAY MORE room for improvement in his game than Djoko does. And the Murray-Djoko matchup sucks for Djoko..
Nadal's career has not ended at all. He will win more masters and more slams.
I never said it has. But even if it had, Djoko would still have trouble surpassing Nadal is what I meant.
All that said, I would be very surprised if Nadal actually got back to his previous level of 2010 or 2012 - once he comes back. It will be really hard after the longest lay off of his career. One wishes him well..
why are we discussing nadal so much on this thread? he's not playing this match, nor did he even play in the ones leading up to it.
yes it is, isn't it?
Andy needs to serves above 60 percent to have a chance. I can see Egg winning in 5 accompanied by shirt ripping and roaring
We can eliminate Nadal from any discussion about winning anymore slams/masters from here on out. This is a battle between Lance and Andy and far in the distance, Fed. Nadal is irrelevant and has no business being included in the same sentence as those guys. Vero is just her usual delusional self who is living on hope and trying to make herself feel better by lying to herself about what's really going on. I tend to scroll right past her posts most of the time since they are usually not worth reading.
Novak Djokovic will win this match in 3 sets
6-4 6-3 6-1
Might stay in bed and give this one a miss.
I've suggested he just play the entire match shirtless, but I suppose that's against some rule or another.
Take your time, man. The match starts at 8:30 AM GMT. So, You can sleep in till 12 PM and you will wake up just in time for the start of the 3rd set.
I found this match engaging and boring and the same time. Two great players, high stakes, big stage - that's always exciting. But, even in the first few games it was apparent - it's all just predictable hitting - the pace, the patterns - so, so predictable (generally, there were a few moments of truly interesting play).
Are you from the future, Bluetrain4? Who won: Djokovic or Murray?
Haha, true. Might still be in a first set tiebreak. :shock:
I like Andy but I really can't see him winning this one.
He can't afford mental walkabouts like in the SF against Djokovic.
wow..namelessone - strong statement dude. Mark my words: If Murray can somehow be physically fresh, and NOT have a subpar serving day, he will beat Djoko.
Murray is a better player in the Djoko-Murray matchup. Watch the AO 2012 SF also. The only reason he lost is because he didn't have the nerve or physicality to hang with Djoko. Murray matches Djoko shot by shot and blunts his weapons.
Had Murray won the 4th set against Fed, I would have given him a 65%+ chance of winning. But given that he might be fatigued because of the Fed match, it is a 50-50.
It wouldn't be 6-1 even if Murray were playing on one leg.
Before 1984 FO, how many slam did JMac and Lendl have at that point ??
Yet, at the end of their career, Lendl surpassed Jmac, and most people have him above JMac.
Don't kid yourself that Nole doesn't have a chance. The future is unpredictable !
LOL keep telling yourself that. 8)
My heart wants Andy to win, but I picked Novak, so GO DJOKOVIC!!!!!! I suggest that you folks load up on the popcorn, candy, soda, and water.
I'm excited about this match. I think it will play a role in who ends up with the better career.
I'm also eager to hear what excuses TheF1Bob will come up with. This may really push his creativity to the max.
I think Murray in 4.
First serve - Murray
Second serve - Murray
Return - tie
Forehand - djoker
Backhand - Murray
Stamina - djoker
Volleying - obsolete question
Nerve - djoker
Confidence - Murray
7-5, 3-6, 7-6, 6-3 with umpteen breaks
I don't really know how to explain it, but I just have this...feeling that Murray should be the one to win here. I know Djokovic is strong right now and he's going to be much more well rested with that extra day and relatively easy semi match, but for some reason it feels like Murray can still take it.
Not sure about the second serve. Murray's bh is not better than Djoko's. Murray's stamina has vastly improved. I would put them tie in that department. Confidence should definitely go to Djoko: he's the #1, has already won AO 3 times and has beaten Murray the last 2 times they played on hard court.
I voted Djokovic in 3.
Murray has nothing going for him. He has no advantages over Djokovic except volleys and overheads, but Djokovic won't give him many of those. Murray's slice is considerably better, but this is not Wimbledon for the slice to skid and be a weapon.
They both serve well, return well, run fast, sustain long rallies, hit topspin forehands and flat backhands, but Djokovic is fresher, has more experience in slam finals, and is generally a better-balanced player when it comes to offense and defense.
Brace yourselves for several hours of cross-court hitting, just like a year ago. I would prefer a Federer-Wawrinka final (Wawrinka 2.0 who played against Djokovic) - it would have been a blast of attacking, all-court play.
It's rather likely he won't need any...
So how come Murray has beaten him 7 times and come really close to doing so on several other occasions?
It was the wind :twisted:!
Murray doesn't have the better 2nd serve, other than that I agree.
The last two times they played in HC slams, it went 5 sets, don't see why anyone would expect a straight set win here.
Regarding Murray's advantages, one advantage you're missing out is his 1st serve, I fully expect Murray to get more cheap points (aces, service winners, setting up putaways etc.) off his serve than Novak.
How come Davydenko beats Nadal 4-1 on hard courts?
Murray tends to do very well in best-of-3 events that nobody else is dying to win. The USO final was the only time where he beat Djokovic in a final that mattered a lot, but that was mostly due to the crazy wind.
I would normally go with Djokovic in 4, but the freshness factor increases his odds for a straight set win considerably.
I agree with that one. However, I do not expect the serve to be the major factor. I expect a lot of good returns from Djokovic and a lot of baseline grinding.
Forget USO then, did you watch their AO match last year? Regarding BO3 events and Murray, the guy holds/defends zero masters titles at the moment.
If Murray had to dig deep in beating Fed I don't think he'll have much left emotionally to take on Djokovic.
I did. I believe Djokovic somewhat underestimated Murray and was not sufficiently prepared (tactically, emotionally). He is now well-aware of Murray's newfound confidence and has a lot of AO 2012, USO 2013 and AO 2013 SF material to study, and a painful loss to avenge for. I believe it will be a tough 3-set victory with lots of breaks.
mmmmm, dunno! My list would be:
First serve - Murray
Second serve - Djokovic
Return - tie
Forehand - Djokovic
Backhand - Murray
Stamina - tie
Volleying - Murray
Nerve - Djokovic
Confidence - Djokovic
Djoker takes first two sets, Murray the next three.
Agreed, except for the confidence, I think they both have reasons to be confident. Djokovic is playing on his favourite surface and played a superb match against Ferrer. Murray on the other hand managed to defeat Federer for the first time in a major.
But Murray is on a grand slam winning streak of 13 matches including a win over Djokovic so I give him the edge.
There is some extra pressure on Djokovic as well as he is defending his title.
I dont know forecast for Sundays final,but if there wont be any wind Murray has no chance at all.
I truly hope Murray wins. I think it is highly unlike unless he significantly raises his game. He might pay the ultimate price for such a cake walk draw.
I sure hope not. Death by cake walk draw is a horrible way to go.
any draw that includes Federer is no cake walk... Though Stan the Man might have been the tougher fight for anyone the way he was playing (at first) against No1e.
I have no clue who will win this final but it is going to be a battle. It's gonna be 6+ hours long.
I think Djoker will win 9 games.
These people don't know what they are talking about imo. Murray/Djokovic matches are usually close and Murray has a good chance to win the title. Did people see his serving stats yesterday? I know Djokovic is a better returner than Federer is but he is not that good. Murray had what over twenty aces? Huh?
Don't think Murray's second serve is better than Djokovic's. I think their bh's are both great so I would say a tie there. Stamina I would say is a tie as well, Murray is as fit as can be.
I think so too. I am not sure if people are wearing blindfolds or not when they watch Murray play recently and why are people using the Ferrer/Djokovic match to judge Djokovic's current level? That does not make sense to me.
I think Murray has a decent shot to win the title, as much as Djokovic does.
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