2013 Bracketology

[Clemson_tennis]

I drew up some brackets for fun just now based on the rankings and potential regional spots. I tried to do what the selection crew does, keep in ranking fair and also regional.

My last team in was Michigan State as I think they will slip past SDSU and Columbia in the rankings based on their best wins and that SDSU lost to New Mexico in the MWC tournament.


Charlottesville
1. Virginia
2. VCU
3. NC State
4. Lehigh

Los Angeles
1. UCLA
2. Drake
3. Washington
4. Sacramento State

Columbus
1. Ohio State
2. Notre Dame
3. Northwestern
4. Cleveland State

Athens
1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Florida State
4. SC State

Los Angeles
1. USC
2. Illinois
3. San Diego
4. UCSB

Knoxville
1. Tennessee
2. Clemson
3. Minnesota
4. Austin Peay

Malibu
1. Pepperdine
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Denver

College Station
1. Texas A&M
2. Texas
3. Texas A&M Corpus Christi
4. Prairie View

Oxford
1. Ole Miss
2. Memphis
3. TCU
4. Samford

Waco
1. Baylor
2. Tulsa
3. Boise State
4. Wihcita State

Norman
1. Oklahoma
2. LSU
3. BYU
4. UMKC


Durham
1. Duke
2. Wake Forest
3. UNC-Wilmington
4. Binghampton

Lexington
1. Kentucky
2. Michigan
3. Virginia Tech
4. Marist

Starkville
1. Mississippi State
2. Auburn
3. Georgia State
4. Farleigh Dickinson

Gainesville
1. Florida
2. Cal
3. Michigan State
4. Coastal Carolina

Nashville
1. Vanderbilt
2. South Carolina
3. ETSU
4. Western Michigan

what do you think? what do you think will be switched around? There are many possibilities for many teams.

 

[epaige]

Love the Stanford/Harvard matchup.

 

[JLyon]

think Denver would be a #3 seed somewhere, maybe flip Denver and Ga State, Malibu is tough.
Oxford Regional would be a TCU/Ole Miss Final due to circumstances.
Maybe flip WFU and South Carolina

 

[socaltennnis]

So Illinois has to travel to play their regional? Too bad.

 

[mikej]

do we know when this get released this year? going to be webcast again?

a quick google search failed me...

 

[mikej]

or, courtesy of a baylor post about their watch party, looks like i have found that they come out tuesday afternoon???

5 pm eastern time?

http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/w-tennis/spec-rel/042813aaa.html

 

[andfor]

Isn't there a new rule preventing teams from the same conference from being in the same region?

 

[10isplayer]

Isn't there a new rule preventing teams from the same conference from being in the same region?

Yes, I'm pretty sure there is that rule now

 

[The Dawgs]

Anybody heard this

I thought I heard that beginning this year the NCAA was planning on having only one school from a conference in a region. Maybe it was for the women? Anyone know anything about this?

 

[JLyon]

only one conference team in a regional is going to force some SEC teams way out west, that would be interesting for sure.

 

[Clemson_tennis]

I haven't heard of such rule. That would shake things up quite a bit this year.

 

[ga tennis]

I haven't heard of such rule. That would shake things up quite a bit this year.

Clemson tennis how good is Ansari? My daughter played his little sister this weekend and i hung out for a little while with the dad. He was a really nice guy.

 

[mikej]

I haven't heard of such rule. That would shake things up quite a bit this year.

Yeah not aware either - hope not - I want the third WF matchup in Durham

 

[Clemson_tennis]

Clemson tennis how good is Ansari? My daughter played his little sister this weekend and i hung out for a little while with the dad. He was a really nice guy.

Were you in Cary? The whole Ansari clan was there(it's a large one). I've heard that his little sister is very good.

I think Ansari has a lot of potential. He has a fast racket of both sides and can hit his forehand with a variety of pace precision and spin. He's very athletic, has a lot of fast twitch muscle allowing him to hit powerful shots from defensive positions at times. By his senior year I think he will be Clemson's #1 player.he needs to improve his serve and also get a little more mentally mature cause right now he hangs his head when a point dosent go exactly as planned even if he wins it. But I think he will improve those things.

 

[Clemson_tennis]

If the conference rule does exist then teams like Alabama,NC State,Wake Forest,Northwestern will end up getting sent far.

 

[Clemson_tennis]

think Denver would be a #3 seed somewhere, maybe flip Denver and Ga State, Malibu is tough.
Oxford Regional would be a TCU/Ole Miss Final due to circumstances.
Maybe flip WFU and South Carolina

Yeah I thought about flipping Wake with SC or Auburn. That would be good for Wake because they probably would beat Vandy or Miss State.

 

[ga tennis]

Were you in Cary? The whole Ansari clan was there(it's a large one). I've heard that his little sister is very good.

I think Ansari has a lot of potential. He has a fast racket of both sides and can hit his forehand with a variety of pace precision and spin. He's very athletic, has a lot of fast twitch muscle allowing him to hit powerful shots from defensive positions at times. By his senior year I think he will be Clemson's #1 player.he needs to improve his serve and also get a little more mentally mature cause right now he hangs his head when a point dosent go exactly as planned even if he wins it. But I think he will improve those things.

We were in Hilton Head. Shes pretty good.

 

[TopDawg]

I just looked back and they separated conference members starting last year per the policy that went into effect on 8/1/11. It is the final bullet point in the selection guidelines.

First- and Second-Round Site Selections
With the adoption of proposal 2010-108, each sports committee will comply with the bylaw to the greatest extent possible
and in doing so, the following policies will be implemented.
●● For non-revenue generating championships that seed a quarter of the bracket, sites will be awarded to the seeded
teams that submit a bid that meets the requirements for hosting. In the event that a seeded team doesn’t submit a bid
that meets the requirements, the sports committee will maintain the current policy of geographic consideration when
assigning the host sites.
●● The committee will use the geographic consideration to help maintain the balance of integrity of the selection.
●● The committee will also separate first- and second-round conference opponents when assigning teams to sites.

 

[Clemson_tennis]

In that case.

Flip Northwestern and NC State, Tulsa and Auburn, South Carolina and Wake Forest, Washington and BYU, Alabama and Illinois.

 

[bluetrain4]

Isn't there a new rule preventing teams from the same conference from being in the same region?

I can see the merits of such a rule (avoid repetitive matchups), but at the same time I think it's sort of offbase. It's sort of rigging the draw. Why do confernece teams "deserve" to avoid each other?

 

[Art Rust Jr]

or, courtesy of a baylor post about their watch party, looks like i have found that they come out tuesday afternoon???

5 pm eastern time?

http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/w-tennis/spec-rel/042813aaa.html

Yep, it's 5PM Eastern tomorrow per the ITA site.

One very minor point on a school like Fairleigh Dickinson. They qualified both the men and women and have the same head coach, so they'll likely shuttle them off to a school that is hosting both men and women. UVA, if the women hold on to host. Plenty of other options - Georgia, USC, UCLA, A&M among others.

Not sure if there are any other schools that qualified both teams and share the same coach.

Also, is there still a chance that they use the "geographic consideration" and rob a team from hosting, or did they scrap that provision? I remember a few years ago when Ole Miss was ranked like third or fourth and had to travel to LSU, as well as a few other examples.

 

[woodrow1029]

I can see the merits of such a rule (avoid repetitive matchups), but at the same time I think it's sort of offbase. It's sort of rigging the draw. Why do confernece teams "deserve" to avoid each other?

It's very similar to a juniors or adult tournament separating out players in a regular tournament draw that live in the same city or play at the same club, etc., and I think it's a good thing.

 

[woodrow1029]

One very minor point on a school like Fairleigh Dickinson. They qualified both the men and women and have the same head coach, so they'll likely shuttle them off to a school that is hosting both men and women. UVA, if the women hold on to host. Plenty of other options - Georgia, USC, UCLA, A&M among others.

That happened to Fairleigh Dickinson last year (or maybe the year before, can't remember), and I believe they both went to UVA.

 

[The Dawgs]

Yep, it's 5PM Eastern tomorrow per the ITA site.

One very minor point on a school like Fairleigh Dickinson. They qualified both the men and women and have the same head coach, so they'll likely shuttle them off to a school that is hosting both men and women. UVA, if the women hold on to host. Plenty of other options - Georgia, USC, UCLA, A&M among others.

Not sure if there are any other schools that qualified both teams and share the same coach.

Also, is there still a chance that they use the "geographic consideration" and rob a team from hosting, or did they scrap that provision? I remember a few years ago when Ole Miss was ranked like third or fourth and had to travel to LSU, as well as a few other examples.

Good point. I believe that South Carolina State University is also in the same situation.

 

[Kirijax]

Thanks Clemson_Tiger for putting that out. I'm sure it took a lot of time and it gives us an idea of what to look forward to tomorrow.

And yes I actually went through the list just to see if Miami just mighta made it in there. The eternal optimist.

Just one question; I thought a team had to have at least a .500 record to qualify. Doesn't that eliminate UNC? Just wondering. I'm sure there are loopholes for the loopholes.

 

[Clemson_tennis]

Thanks Clemson_Tiger for putting that out. I'm sure it took a lot of time and it gives us an idea of what to look forward to tomorrow.

And yes I actually went through the list just to see if Miami just mighta made it in there. The eternal optimist.

Just one question; I thought a team had to have at least a .500 record to qualify. Doesn't that eliminate UNC? Just wondering. I'm sure there are loopholes for the loopholes.

UNC isn't ranked high enough anyway. The cut off point this year was #43. Yes the new rule does state that a team has to be over .500 but that did not eliminate anyone this year. Alabama was close, their upset of Ole Miss gave them a spot otherwise they would have been 13-13 and not in.

 

[TopDawg]

Men's 1st and 2nd round matches are Friday/Saturday while women are Sat/Sun for those planning to go to a regional

 

[goldy0084]

Scst men went to Georgia last year and the women went to Florida. The female assistant took the women by herself.

 

[Nostradamus]

So Illinois has to travel to play their regional? Too bad.

and good chance they will never make it back to Illinois for their own tournament. OH well.

 

[Clemson_tennis]

Why can't ESPU broadcast the selection show tomorrow? Too much lacrosse to show?

 

[Nostradamus]

Why can't ESPU broadcast the selection show tomorrow? Too much lacrosse to show?

tennis is not one of the glamour sport that gets sponsors and ads to pay for the airtime.

 

[Kirijax]

The Selection Show will online HERE.

 

[kme5150]

Why can't ESPU broadcast the selection show tomorrow? Too much lacrosse to show?

You would think the Tennis Channel would do it but I doubt it.

The Selection Show will online HERE.

Thanks. I'll be watching.

 

[Golden_state_of_mind]

would Cal really go to Florida? I guess 18 is too a rank to go to Pepperdine.

 

[Automator]

would Cal really go to Florida? I guess 18 is too a rank to go to Pepperdine.

You're not 18, you're in the 17-32 pool.

 

[Golden_state_of_mind]

You're not 18, you're in the 17-32 pool.

Excuse me??

 

[TopDawg]

I'd be surprised if Cal didn't go to Pepperdine. There aren't any other 17-32s from the West Coast beside Cal and they can't go to USC or UCLA.

He was referring to Cal's potential seeding in the 17-32 bracket.

 

[ClarkC]

You're not 18, you're in the 17-32 pool.

Excuse me??

The top 16 host. Each host site gets one team from the 17-32 pool, one team from the 33-48 pool, and one team from the 49-64 pool. These are seeds 1, 2, 3, and 4 in the regional. #1 plays #4 and #2 plays #3 in the first round.

When they draw a team from the 17-32 pool, they look at geography (to minimize travel) and conference (to avoid conference rematches). But they do not try to avoid putting the #17 team into a particular regional. Sure, none of the hosts want the #17 team, they would all rather have the #32 team, but that's tough.

 

[Clemson_tennis]

The top 16 host. Each host site gets one team from the 17-32 pool, one team from the 33-48 pool, and one team from the 49-64 pool. These are seeds 1, 2, 3, and 4 in the regional. #1 plays #4 and #2 plays #3 in the first round.

When they draw a team from the 17-32 pool, they look at geography (to minimize travel) and conference (to avoid conference rematches). But they do not try to avoid putting the #17 team into a particular regional. Sure, none of the hosts want the #17 team, they would all rather have the #32 team, but that's tough.

I think that they slightly factor in ranking when possible. Like they would not put 17 and 33 in #1's region. They try and match the lower 1s with the upper 2s. For the most part its even but there's always a couple of ones that can't be done based on geography.

 

[woodrow1029]

I'd be surprised if Cal didn't go to Pepperdine. There aren't any other 17-32s from the West Coast beside Cal and they can't go to USC or UCLA.

He was referring to Cal's potential seeding in the 17-32 bracket.

And if Cal goes to Malibu, Stanford would not.

 

[Golden_state_of_mind]

And if Cal goes to Malibu, Stanford would not.

So Stanford would have to go east.

 

[woodrow1029]

So Stanford would have to go east.

Well, since Hawaii and Alaska are not hosting a regional, I'm pretty sure it's a safe bet that either Cal or Stanford will have to go east, at least a bit.

 

[epaige]

Last year, Fairfield, with one head coach for both women and men (but an assistant coach who was in late-stage pregnancy and could not fly) went to USC for its first-round matches.

 

[tenniskillz]

I drew up some brackets for fun just now based on the rankings and potential regional spots. I tried to do what the selection crew does, keep in ranking fair and also regional.

My last team in was Michigan State as I think they will slip past SDSU and Columbia in the rankings based on their best wins and that SDSU lost to New Mexico in the MWC tournament.


Charlottesville
1. Virginia
2. VCU
3. NC State
4. Lehigh

Los Angeles
1. UCLA
2. Drake
3. Washington
4. Sacramento State

Columbus
1. Ohio State
2. Notre Dame
3. Northwestern
4. Cleveland State

Athens
1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Florida State
4. SC State

Los Angeles
1. USC
2. Illinois
3. San Diego
4. UCSB

Knoxville
1. Tennessee
2. Clemson
3. Minnesota
4. Austin Peay

Malibu
1. Pepperdine
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Denver

College Station
1. Texas A&M
2. Texas
3. Texas A&M Corpus Christi
4. Prairie View

Oxford
1. Ole Miss
2. Memphis
3. TCU
4. Samford

Waco
1. Baylor
2. Tulsa
3. Boise State
4. Wihcita State

Norman
1. Oklahoma
2. LSU
3. BYU
4. UMKC


Durham
1. Duke
2. Wake Forest
3. UNC-Wilmington
4. Binghampton

Lexington
1. Kentucky
2. Michigan
3. Virginia Tech
4. Marist

Starkville
1. Mississippi State
2. Auburn
3. Georgia State
4. Farleigh Dickinson

Gainesville
1. Florida
2. Cal
3. Michigan State
4. Coastal Carolina

Nashville
1. Vanderbilt
2. South Carolina
3. ETSU
4. Western Michigan

what do you think? what do you think will be switched around? There are many possibilities for many teams.

If most of these hold up (accounting for non-conference matches for first 2 rounds), it would mean VCU would play @ #2 UVA and Notre Dame would play @ #4 Ohio State for the third consecutive year...

As unfair as that should be for teams with upset potential over lower ranked hosts, it will probably end up being that way anyways

 

[JLyon]

I am more curious to see the firestorm on the ITA for again hiding rankings until after brackets are done. Would it really be that hard to show final rankings around 2 PM and have selection show at 5:00, just for transparency

 

[Golden_state_of_mind]

I am more curious to see the firestorm on the ITA for again hiding rankings until after brackets are done. Would it really be that hard to show final rankings around 2 PM and have selection show at 5:00, just for transparency

so still a chance that Cal hosts?

 

[mikej]

I am more curious to see the firestorm on the ITA for again hiding rankings until after brackets are done. Would it really be that hard to show final rankings around 2 PM and have selection show at 5:00, just for transparency

This year I would almost rather not see a final set of the SEC rankings - haven't taken one seriously all year, and hope ITA sees things similarly

 

[Clemson_tennis]

If most of these hold up (accounting for non-conference matches for first 2 rounds), it would mean VCU would play @ #2 UVA and Notre Dame would play @ #4 Ohio State for the third consecutive year...

As unfair as that should be for teams with upset potential over lower ranked hosts, it will probably end up being that way anyways

Yeah it sucks they have to keep going to the same spots, but it's fair this year considering their rankings of 30 and 31

 

[JLyon]

This year I would almost rather not see a final set of the SEC rankings - haven't taken one seriously all year, and hope ITA sees things similarly

Yeah the SEC rankings are funny to say the least. UGA is the only true outstanding and even then they are still maybe #5 at highest. Tennessee is solid 1-3, but fall off. UK is solid #1-2 but then greatly fall off, Ole Miss strong #1-2, ok #3-4, and underachieving #5-6
Vanderbilt, solid #1-2, overachieving but streaky 3-6, Auburn/Bama who knows who shows up, FL dangerous but not elite, MS State too young and streaky, SCarolina, like them but weaker at #4-6.

IMO no way there should be 8 SEC teams hosting, but it is what it is.

 

[jaggy]

Whats the cut off? Around low 40's?