2013 Gerry Weber Open Singles Finale: [1] Roger Federer(SUI) VS Mikhail Youzhny (RUS)

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Now what a BEAUTIFUL setup that was with that julienne slice of a backhand to seize control of the rally.

And now three BPs.
 
Chanwan said:
it's not so much the fact that he makes a ton of unforced errors. it's the way that he makes them. On easy slices, on easy forehand rally shots, on easy backhands. And he doesn't take his chances, doesn't take the initiative. Every half decent ball is followed by an appalling one...
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agreed ... one thing to when it goes about by a bit when he's going for it and it just misses, but another to miss easy shots ...
 
Federer breaks. Youzhny while stile playing great has coolen off a bit in the last 10-15 minutes or so. Federer has to take advantage from now on.
 
Tamely obliged by the Colonel, wasn't it.

Don't mug it up here Rojah.
 
underground said:
Just tuned in, someone tell me is it ********?
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You-called-the-wrong-numberer.

Not exactly vintage.


Plenty of credit must go to Youzhny.

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That forehand is operating quite consistently now to Y's BH side at least.
 
Nathaniel_Near said:
You-called-the-wrong-numberer.

Not exactly vintage.


Plenty of credit must go to Youzhny.

**

That forehand is operating quite consistently now to Y's BH side at least.
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abmk said:
its actually failerer, but seems to be playing somewhat approaching decent tennis now .
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Well not too worried now that it's one set all. And if Youzhny can only take a set of failerer in a TB then yeah I'm positive going into the decider.
 
I'd prefer Fed doesn't have to wear one of the diapers intended for his twin daughters tonight before trying to sleep, he'll need it should he lose this match. For the sake of humanity (and his wife) he needs to get the job done now.
 
underground said:
Well not too worried now that it's one set all. And if Youzhny can only take a set of failerer in a TB then yeah I'm positive going into the decider.
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well, its mainly the federer serve that took it to the breaker.

he'll still probably win this, but needs to step it up big time for wimbledon ..
 
Youz was good for a set, but it was always expected that Fed would wear him down.
 
He (Roj) just doesn't want to hit that bh cc if the ball is travelling across him at all. Scared of the stroke.
 
zagor said:
First of all, Fed beat Nadal 10 times (his last win coming last year so not ancient history exactly) and second his BH was never the foundation of his game, it's his FH that is killing him today and this year overall.
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I actually disagree. His backhand is the real liability. He's not the same player that he used to be, and his backhand simply needs to be better to compete against week-in and week-out. Seriously. Let's forget about the forehand for a moment. It's not that his backhand is a bad, per-say, because it's not bad at all. He's still an amazing shotmaker, and when things are going well, that particular shot has an enormous upside. However, in comparison to any of the top five, or even Youhzny or Warwinka or Haas, Federer's backhand is less consistent and reliable, which continues to be his undoing. Some players rely on that BH-BH pattern to control points, and Federer does not and never really has. But that's not the issue. The issue is staying on level terms, and not losing control of the point or falling behind in the rally. When Federer was moving better, it was less of an issue than it is now.
 
Finally a very sharp angle (with the forehand). The reason we've seen so little of them is because it's almost impossible to adequately create such tennis against extremely flat strokes.
 
ctoth666 said:
I actually disagree. His backhand is the real liability. He's not the same player that he used to be, and his backhand simply needs to be better to compete against week-in and week-out. Seriously. Let's forget about the forehand for a moment. It's not that his backhand is a bad, per-say, because it's not bad at all. He's still an amazing shotmaker, and when things are going well, that particular shot has an enormous upside. However, in comparison to any of the top five, or even Youhzny or Warwinka or Haas, Federer's backhand is less consistent and reliable, which continues to be his undoing. Some players rely on that BH-BH pattern to control points, and Federer does not and never really has. But that's not the issue. The issue is staying on level terms, and not losing control of the point or falling behind in the rally. When Federer was moving better, it was less of an issue than it is now.
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I believe that in the era currently, he with the less weak worse stroke (usually the backhand) will win (rather than it depending on being overly one-wing centric). Nadal could only reverse the trend with Djokovic because he went back to the drawing board and shored up his backhand so that it could barely be broken down. Only then does the amazing strength of his forehand allow him to truly start taking control of more matches. There needs to be no place to go to...
 
abmk said:
well, its mainly the federer serve that took it to the breaker.

he'll still probably win this, but needs to step it up big time for wimbledon ..
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The more scruffy matches like these that Fed wins the better, last year he won lots of matches where he shouldn't have: against Davydenko in Rotterdam, Goffin in RG, Benny in Wimbly, Berdych in Madrid, Raonic in Madrid, etc, they build up his confidence.

And you can tell Fed actually WANTS this title.
 
Other examples - one of the defining points in the Wimbledon semis which further turned the tide in Roger's favour mentally occurred in a very long rally where Fed eventually won the point by drawing an error with a beautifully struck backhand dtl, where he redirected the pace beautifully. The only reason he was able to win this point is because his weaker stroke just wouldn't break down.


Same occurred against Murray in the final.


For Roger to win Wimbledon his only choice and chance is to make sure that his weaker stroke can't be adequately attacked.
 
ctoth666 said:
I actually disagree. His backhand is the real liability. He's not the same player that he used to be, and his backhand simply needs to be better to compete against week-in and week-out. Seriously. Let's forget about the forehand for a moment. It's not that his backhand is a bad, per-say, because it's not bad at all. He's still an amazing shotmaker, and when things are going well, that particular shot has an enormous upside. However, in comparison to any of the top five, or even Youhzny or Warwinka or Haas, Federer's backhand is less consistent and reliable, which continues to be his undoing. Some players rely on that BH-BH pattern to control points, and Federer does not and never really has. But that's not the issue. The issue is staying on level terms, and not losing control of the point or falling behind in the rally. When Federer was moving better, it was less of an issue than it is now.
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Fed's BH has been consistent this year, there were a few matches in the AO where the BH was more solid and less shaky than the FH.
 
ctoth666 said:
I actually disagree. His backhand is the real liability. He's not the same player that he used to be, and his backhand simply needs to be better to compete against week-in and week-out. Seriously. Let's forget about the forehand for a moment. It's not that his backhand is a bad, per-say, because it's not bad at all. He's still an amazing shotmaker, and when things are going well, that particular shot has an enormous upside. However, in comparison to any of the top five, or even Youhzny or Warwinka or Haas, Federer's backhand is less consistent and reliable, which continues to be his undoing. Some players rely on that BH-BH pattern to control points, and Federer does not and never really has. But that's not the issue. The issue is staying on level terms, and not losing control of the point or falling behind in the rally. When Federer was moving better, it was less of an issue than it is now.
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both forehand and backhand are problematic. He needs his forehand to be top-2 to be at the top of his game. He needs his backhand to be decent as well. Neither is the case at the moment.
 
Nathaniel_Near said:
Other examples - one of the defining points in the Wimbledon semis which further turned the tide in Roger's favour mentally occurred in a very long rally where Fed eventually won the point by drawing an error with a beautifully struck backhand dtl, where he redirected the pace beautifully. The only reason he was able to win this point is because his weaker stroke just wouldn't break down.


Same occurred against Murray in the final.


For Roger to win Wimbledon his only choice and chance is to make sure that his weaker stroke can't be adequately attacked.
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That was a beautiful rally. Djokovic kept pounding on his BH and Fed kept hitting it with patience and actually waited for his window to go DTL.
 
Chanwan said:
both forehand and backhand are problematic. He needs his forehand to be top-2 to be at the top of his game. He needs his backhand to be decent as well. Neither is the case at the moment.
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The thing also is that they are both interdependent in the end, in and of each other.
 
Federer moves too slow on his return .. even when he guesses right he can't reach the ball properly on time due to his general heaviness on his side movement
 
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