Gut4Tennis
Hall of Fame
yes by the ump i think. he was pissed wow
2013 NCAA Men's Tennis Tournament - Champaign, IL
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yes by the ump i think. he was pissed wow
jaggy
Talk Tennis Guru
Got it thanks so much
wow that is a good official to call that, tough on match point.
Gut4Tennis
Hall of Fame
ucla is choak city right now. wow
jaggy
Talk Tennis Guru
Very very scared tennis out there
Gut4Tennis
Hall of Fame
uva wins it!!!
not so fast overruled
Gut4Tennis
Hall of Fame
Clemson_tennis
Legend
So on the Puget shot. Was hitting the net unavoidable? Or wa it kinda careless by him? Also was it the correct call and was he definetly going to win that point?
So Gut4tennis, you didn't realize there was a live broadcast link till the last couple games? Painful to watch without sound all week, moreso for this match.
They did a good job on the commentary. Not too pos or neg, pretty even with all players.
Why, is Novikov turning pro?
Art Rust Jr
Rookie
Congrats Virginia, at long last.
I don't think Puget is going to sleep too well tonight, unless he has about 35 beers. Or, he's French, so maybe about six bottles of wine.
I don't think Puget is going to sleep too well tonight, unless he has about 35 beers. Or, he's French, so maybe about six bottles of wine.
Well, he was overhitting the backhand cross-court volley. Overhitting happens a lot when your opponent is a defensive maniac. In fact, Mitchell Frank somehow got to the ball and threw up a sky-high defensive lob. As I was watching it land near the baseline, I could not tell if it was in or out, but it looked a little out. But then I noticed that Puget had made no effort to run back for the ball, because the umpire had made his call immediately.
socaltennnis
Rookie
The poster doesn't like him.
Clemson_tennis
Legend
2nd straight year Donijan routined by a player he was favored over.
Jenkins came up big today by beating a player who was on fire.
Jenkins came up big today by beating a player who was on fire.
amorris525
Rookie
Please show us the replay. I would love to see it. Not doubting, would just love to see it.
Same here. I gotta see this.
Art Rust Jr
Rookie
It's funny, and I'd be shocked if the ump was incorrect on that call, but last year when Nguyen converted match point, it seemed like he was a bit careless/premature about flinging his racquet into the net in celebration. It looked like there could have been a chance that the racquet hit the net before the ball bounced twice on Singh's side.
TopDawg
G.O.A.T.
It will take about an hour to get uploaded on my youtube page with due to the connection speed at this hotel. I will post once it is up.
Tennis mom
New User
Tennis mom
I want to see the replay too! Let's take it to the experts! BRUIn's match point was stolen!!!!! Let me know if we can team up to protest. I saw it with my own eyes!!!!!
amorris525
Rookie
I'm a Cavs fan so I won't be joining you. I just want to see it.
I guess as a UCLA fan your angst is understandable but most people seem to be saying the official called it right. A protest just sounds like sour grapes.
Tennis mom
New User
We'll see it when we consult with experts! "The officials" make mistakes too. We are all just humans.
I will ignore the poster that said I posted this cause I don't like him.... it is just what I was told at beginning of NCAAs and thought was common knowledge by now, but surprised it hasn't come up anywhere yet.
You don't have to have socal in your id to know a lot about the ins and outs of that team. There is crazy stuff, but this is just him going pro, don't think that is a scandal.
TopDawg
G.O.A.T.
Ok ladies and gentlemen (and feddie too), fast forward ahead to the 4:15 mark of the video (just uploaded may not be 100% ready) with Puget serving at championship point and at the 4:23 mark after he hits the volley his right foot is right there at the base of the net and the chair then calls out something and then after a second it sounds like to me he says "your foot". Puget initially objects but I think he knew what he did and was hoping the chair either didn't see it or wasn't going to call it. Billy Martin had a good view of it as well and he would have gone off if he thought it was an incorrect call. Puget came unraveled after that and the rest is history.
Now everything I've read on various blogs/tweets/etc said it was his racquet but as you can see his racquet did not hit the net. It was that right foot.
The following is from UCLA's Website which reaffirms what I heard and saw:
"If he touches the net and the umpire sees it, you have to call it," added Martin. "It's a tough pill to swallow in this particular match given the importance. It is what it is. It's not like we want (the umpire) to let it go. I know I wouldn't if I was in their shoes. I give Frank credit for hanging in there. It was still deuce. It's not like that one point decided the match. I think it was a fair call."
Now everything I've read on various blogs/tweets/etc said it was his racquet but as you can see his racquet did not hit the net. It was that right foot.
The following is from UCLA's Website which reaffirms what I heard and saw:
"If he touches the net and the umpire sees it, you have to call it," added Martin. "It's a tough pill to swallow in this particular match given the importance. It is what it is. It's not like we want (the umpire) to let it go. I know I wouldn't if I was in their shoes. I give Frank credit for hanging in there. It was still deuce. It's not like that one point decided the match. I think it was a fair call."
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
Just got back from Champaign, and all I can say is "WOW"!!. The UVA-UCLA match was insane. I had never been to that high level of a college team match. It was incredible and everything I could hope for.
I found the whole thing fascinating. All of the players were incredible, but they also had weaknesses and it was really interesting to see them exploit each others weaknesses, cover for their own, make adjustments, etc.
I started watching courts 4 (Mkrtchian vs. Styslinger) and 6 (Sell v. Uriguen).
[Note: the courts didn't go in numerical order, they were lined up 6, 4, 2, 1, 3, 5]
I was there with a buddy who is a UVA alum. We immediately thought Uriguen could be playing 4 or 3. He looked great. His knifing slice and flattish, aggressive forehand were so impressive, as were his volleys. But he got tired and/or frustrated as the match went on, which surprised us. His shots became less effective and he didn't have the mental energy he did earlier.
After the first sets on 4 and 6, we went to watch 1 and 3. Jenkins v. Novikov was a good, not great match. Once Jenkins won the first set in a tiebreak (after failing to convert breakpoints to win 7-5), it was pretty uneventful. Novikov had a few chances to get back into the second set, but Jenkins had all the energy and fight, and Novikov looked pretty listless. Their games and strokes were pretty similar. Both hit some great off-the shoestrings backhands down the line.
The Frank-Puget match at 3 was obviously the highlight of the day. Puget won the first set 6-0, but it took a long time. it was only 3-0 after like 45 minutes. I didn't see the first set, just the score. So, we go down to court 3 for the second set and it's obvious why it's taking so long. Both players are basically pushing. It's like the Girl's 12s nationals - no one hitting out at all except in limited circumstances. It was kind of fascinating to watch. everything is just rolling the ball back. Even the intermittent aggressive shots aren't that aggressive. Puget actually had the ability to be aggressive, but only did so in spurts. They did eventually hit slightly firmer at times (even a few "hard" shots), but still, overall, I was surprised at what they were doing.
So, once Frank overcomes an early break in the beginning of the second, and goes up 3-2, we're joking that this is his plan all along - to simply grind down his opponent, and he's seemingly on his way at 5-2 in the second. But, then Puget almost gets it back to 5-5 (which would have made things very interesting). Frank pulls out the second set 6-4 and you'd think he has all the momentum. But Puget gets up early in the third and actually starts being a little more aggressive and finishing things off at net. As you all know already, he gets a 5-3 lead. And, then the "net thing" happens. Puget has team championship match point and has a fairly easy high backhand volley and touches the net. He goes on to lose the game, the crowd is going insane. And, he loses the next game. 5-5.
Surprisingly, Puget never really freaks out. Seriously, he may have been rattled inside, but he still looked focused, and he still had chances. At 5-5, first point, Frank pushes a ball into the net and now it looks like the pressure is getting to him, but he eventually wins the game and then goes up 6-5, 40-15. Frank calls a ball out on the baseline on matchpoint, but is overruled by the chair (honestly, I thought it was in). Next point, to there's some sort of call dispute, and Puget gets it back to 40-40. More tension (I would have loved to see a tiebreak) But, thereafter, Puget makes some errors after long rallies and Frank wins, falling on his back, UVA players storm out to him. I'm standing by the side fence and I hear coach Boland yelping tears.
Puget was too uncommitted to being a little more aggressive. He'd do it smartly, but then pull back. You can say he choked, but it really wasn't like that. To me, unlike the first set (where he looked calm believing he could be as consistent as Frank), he simply didn't believe Frank would ever miss and that he could be quite as consistent, so he just slightly pressed and forced things just slightly too hard and ended up missing some shots after hitting many good shots in the rally. That's all it was. And, of course, he actually had a very winnable match point. My friend (the UVA alum) thought the UCLA coaches could have done more to coach him to a win. Not sure I agree.
Nice speeches by both coaches after the match.
Saw a little of No. 2 and Domijan was much more affected by the wind than Giron. Good win for Giron. No. 4 was also a good match. Mrktchian played smart.
Interesting to see so many players side by side. There's a certain consistency to how they all play. Who is better than whom is really execution, adjustments, and what's between the ears. Saw some incredible shots, but really didn't see a lot of big, consistent weapons, other than footspeed and consistency.
I really like UVA, and was rooting for them simply because I have no allegiance to either school and my friend was rooting for UVA. And, Boland seems like a great guy. But, I didn't like UCLA (or any team) losing after a freak net violation on match point. But, it certainly upped the drama.
[I was sitting/standing next to my friend who was wearing a UVA cap and shirt, and I was wearing a navy/orange Illinois cap (same colors as UVA), so all these UVA fans would reflexively fist bump me and say "Go Hoos". Lol. I enjoyed being a "Hoo" for a day.]
Illinois did a fantastic job hosting, and I'm sure they'll get another bid in the future.
Great stuff!
I found the whole thing fascinating. All of the players were incredible, but they also had weaknesses and it was really interesting to see them exploit each others weaknesses, cover for their own, make adjustments, etc.
I started watching courts 4 (Mkrtchian vs. Styslinger) and 6 (Sell v. Uriguen).
[Note: the courts didn't go in numerical order, they were lined up 6, 4, 2, 1, 3, 5]
I was there with a buddy who is a UVA alum. We immediately thought Uriguen could be playing 4 or 3. He looked great. His knifing slice and flattish, aggressive forehand were so impressive, as were his volleys. But he got tired and/or frustrated as the match went on, which surprised us. His shots became less effective and he didn't have the mental energy he did earlier.
After the first sets on 4 and 6, we went to watch 1 and 3. Jenkins v. Novikov was a good, not great match. Once Jenkins won the first set in a tiebreak (after failing to convert breakpoints to win 7-5), it was pretty uneventful. Novikov had a few chances to get back into the second set, but Jenkins had all the energy and fight, and Novikov looked pretty listless. Their games and strokes were pretty similar. Both hit some great off-the shoestrings backhands down the line.
The Frank-Puget match at 3 was obviously the highlight of the day. Puget won the first set 6-0, but it took a long time. it was only 3-0 after like 45 minutes. I didn't see the first set, just the score. So, we go down to court 3 for the second set and it's obvious why it's taking so long. Both players are basically pushing. It's like the Girl's 12s nationals - no one hitting out at all except in limited circumstances. It was kind of fascinating to watch. everything is just rolling the ball back. Even the intermittent aggressive shots aren't that aggressive. Puget actually had the ability to be aggressive, but only did so in spurts. They did eventually hit slightly firmer at times (even a few "hard" shots), but still, overall, I was surprised at what they were doing.
So, once Frank overcomes an early break in the beginning of the second, and goes up 3-2, we're joking that this is his plan all along - to simply grind down his opponent, and he's seemingly on his way at 5-2 in the second. But, then Puget almost gets it back to 5-5 (which would have made things very interesting). Frank pulls out the second set 6-4 and you'd think he has all the momentum. But Puget gets up early in the third and actually starts being a little more aggressive and finishing things off at net. As you all know already, he gets a 5-3 lead. And, then the "net thing" happens. Puget has team championship match point and has a fairly easy high backhand volley and touches the net. He goes on to lose the game, the crowd is going insane. And, he loses the next game. 5-5.
Surprisingly, Puget never really freaks out. Seriously, he may have been rattled inside, but he still looked focused, and he still had chances. At 5-5, first point, Frank pushes a ball into the net and now it looks like the pressure is getting to him, but he eventually wins the game and then goes up 6-5, 40-15. Frank calls a ball out on the baseline on matchpoint, but is overruled by the chair (honestly, I thought it was in). Next point, to there's some sort of call dispute, and Puget gets it back to 40-40. More tension (I would have loved to see a tiebreak) But, thereafter, Puget makes some errors after long rallies and Frank wins, falling on his back, UVA players storm out to him. I'm standing by the side fence and I hear coach Boland yelping tears.
Puget was too uncommitted to being a little more aggressive. He'd do it smartly, but then pull back. You can say he choked, but it really wasn't like that. To me, unlike the first set (where he looked calm believing he could be as consistent as Frank), he simply didn't believe Frank would ever miss and that he could be quite as consistent, so he just slightly pressed and forced things just slightly too hard and ended up missing some shots after hitting many good shots in the rally. That's all it was. And, of course, he actually had a very winnable match point. My friend (the UVA alum) thought the UCLA coaches could have done more to coach him to a win. Not sure I agree.
Nice speeches by both coaches after the match.
Saw a little of No. 2 and Domijan was much more affected by the wind than Giron. Good win for Giron. No. 4 was also a good match. Mrktchian played smart.
Interesting to see so many players side by side. There's a certain consistency to how they all play. Who is better than whom is really execution, adjustments, and what's between the ears. Saw some incredible shots, but really didn't see a lot of big, consistent weapons, other than footspeed and consistency.
I really like UVA, and was rooting for them simply because I have no allegiance to either school and my friend was rooting for UVA. And, Boland seems like a great guy. But, I didn't like UCLA (or any team) losing after a freak net violation on match point. But, it certainly upped the drama.
[I was sitting/standing next to my friend who was wearing a UVA cap and shirt, and I was wearing a navy/orange Illinois cap (same colors as UVA), so all these UVA fans would reflexively fist bump me and say "Go Hoos". Lol. I enjoyed being a "Hoo" for a day.]
Illinois did a fantastic job hosting, and I'm sure they'll get another bid in the future.
Great stuff!
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socaltennnis
Rookie
UCLA writeup with quotes: http://www.uclabruins.com/sports/m-tennis/recaps/052113aaa.html
Thanks for the report! I'll have to admit Illinois has done a pretty good job of hosting. Better than I thought they would to be honest. That #net thing" will live forever in infamy. How could a point like that happen at championship point? Just unbelievable. One of the the things that makes college tennis so agonizingly great.
you notice the 2 guys on right of the screen they appear to be the Referee and Deputy Referee, they saw the touch as well, was called immediately by umpire and also Coach Martin did not fight it either which makes it appear to be an excellent job officiating at that pressure pt.
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
I love the atmosphere. It's almost too much at the beginning with so much going on, all the players out there at once. Again, it was just an incredible match. There seemed to be this consensus during the season that UVA was head and shoulders above the rest of the teams, but UCLA was every bit as good. I wonder if this will be the start of a streak for UVA now that they got the championship monkey off their back.
But aren't they losing their top guns where a few of the other top finishers have very young teams?
hey socaltennis, here is somebody that actually and really doesn't like him.
