Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by jm1980, Jul 5, 2013.
Congrats to our Murray fans here
Very happy for him.
Guys, apparently I was on tv quite a few times!!
Congratulations to Andy Murray and to the people of the great nation of the United Kingdom (or Great Britain. I never know what the official name for your country is)! I wasn't necessarily rooting for Murray but I'm happy for him that he was able to end the 77 year drought of a Brit winning the men's championship and grab his 2nd major title.
Now, on to the summer hard court season, where I'm hoping Djokovic will again reign supreme on his best surface and Federer will make some noise.
It is not easy to attack a serve that bounces over shoulder height on the backhand, even for Novak. Murray places his second serve very well. The few times he served to Novak's forehand, he generally lost the point.
Andy won 16/36 2nd serve points in ( not counting 2 doubles.) .. not too bad against Novak.
Yes you have. You called for his retirement after he lost at Wimby. Does Bullfan stand for hypocrite because that's what you are.
Just want to add:
The reason anyone - even the most aggressive of players - is going to have a tough time beating Murray now and in the future is that it's just so friggin' difficult to hit through him. Seriously, he gets to every ball and puts it back in play nicely. He's the kind of player who it will take pure and utter talent to beat, which is probably why he struggles the most against Federer, because you're not going to just out hit him. Federer, on a good day, can hit the kind of shots needed to beat Murray.
Congrats to Murray on the win, now he has two majors to defend-4000 ATP points at stake, no vacations for Murray.
Murray will gain 800 ATP points
Congrats To Novak D , his name is byword in the finals of slam events,N Djo will gain 480 ATP points.
N Djo has proved one item here he is the best all court surface player on the atp world tour. Hard Court play is Novaks best surface.
Not a bad year for AM, the Olympics Gold---USO--and now Wimbledon. Congratulations, he earned it.
Murray reminds me of a quote my track coach once said. "You can build a long distance runner but sprinters, they are born sprinters." He's the long distance runner, conditioned to play but not an ounce of talent coursing through his blood. All of his practice of hitting the ball and putting back into the court, scurry around hit the ball put it back in the court, race to the drop shot hit the ball put it back in the court. Again and again and again. Like a machine, with no grace, no shot variety and plenty of grimaces ranging from being injured to just plain insulted someone hits a winner off his routine shot. Is he good at tennis? Sure, he can hit the ball consistently. So call 100 other men on the ATP tour. Can he do it with any style and not so gutlessly defensive? Nope. I'm sure he'll go on to win at least one more in the same fashion. Hopefully it'll be when he has to face players ranked lower than the top ten, and hopefully it'll be against someone who played lights out tennis the match before. Get used to the future of tennis. Pong style.
Good to see the Scot saving tennis.
But he struggles the most against Rafa, not against Fed.
He hasn't played Rafa since 2011, correct? I really want to see a healthy rafa vs a healthy Murray. I always felt that Murray had the game to beat Rafa, but just couldn't do it mentally.
They haven't played in such a long time. It's weird really, they were meeting so often before that.
I was just pointing out that to say Murray struggles the most against Fed, whom he leads in the h2h, is just not accurate.
Still can't believe Andy won, and in STRAIGHT sets. Congratulations to him. Party on Great Britian!!!!
No, only 3.42% were correct when the match finished, the rest were wise after the event.
All the top players capable of beating each other. For Rafa Murray match up,if Rafa turns out tp play some great tennis on hard courts,very big if I do think Murray cant be as tough for Rafa as a match up like Djokovic. He still dosnt have the same fire power of Djokovic on his shots thats creating Nadal huge problems.
i picked murray in straights on twitter (with my own name) but i admit it wasn't as easy as i thought...i had it 6-2 6-4 7-6(6)...and obviously a three hour straight set win is pretty rare...my main reason was i thought novak, yes even novak, would be a little spent and that was certainly true but it still took a lot for murray to get it done...even being down break in second and third...more i think about it i don't remember a grand slam final with that kind of scoring pattern if you will, along with that kind of length...anyone?
Should be a capital C in Champion!
Taken to the cleaners? Nadal leads Djokovic 7-3 in slam meetings, and 2 of Djokovic's wins were in 4 sets and the other in a 6 hour 5-setter....
The camp that is most frustrated is Djokovic, because he's been trying to win Roland Garros for 2 years but failed.
Djokovic will be back i am sure and as far as murray having his number Novak won their previous 3 encounters so i think there is a lot more brutal matches to come between them in future
Uncle Toni is jealous of Ivan Lendl.
Murray + Lendl > Ralph + Uncle Toni
In 2011 Djokovic obliterated Nadal's hope of ever being considered an all around GOAT by beating Nadal in the finals of three majors and four masters. If that is not taking to cleaners I don't know what is.
Well, Nadal has laid the beat down on Fed at the majors too, and has beaten him on all surfaces in slams as well. I don't think Fed fans should be bragging about Nadal getting beaten over and over again by Cvac in 2011 considering how Nadal beats Fed on the regular himself.
Cool to see Murray's name amongst that group. Is Murray really a member of the Big Four? Yes, he is.
yeah Murray is arguably the best player now. US Open will kind of decide that
I heard that when he went into his box to hug everyone he forgot his MOM and had to go back, and when Bartoli went into her box the first person she hugged was her DAD. Hmmmm......
I saw an interview an hour after the match. Murray said he still couldn't think or concentrate because of the last game. The last game left him in a daze - he had no idea how he pulled it out. After that scare, he probably forgot he had a mum.
one Wimbledon final is not the way to tell that. Novak is still better than andy from the baseline, especially on hard courts. Aussie open, he proved that. Novak is still the favorite to win the US open this fall.
No he won't be, how do you figure that? Andy is 1-0 vs Novak at the USO.
Good to see that your predictions that Murray had no chance to beat Djokovic were wrong!
the andymurrayometer is closing, he is now forever 100% british!
As far as the US Open goes - their last four appearances:
Djoker: W, 2 Fs, SF
Nadal: W, F, 2 SFs
Murray: W, SF, 3R, 4R
Yet, it's interesting - no one will even mention Nadal's name when it comes to the USO. After years of Nadal/Fed debates with the obligatory Nadal sucks on HCs, sucks at the USO, people start to believe it. It doesn't matter if it's true or not.
Well, I think Bartoli made a special point of doing that due to the long history of her Dad actually being her coach up until last year. Although she changed to a different coach this year, she just wanted to let him know he was an important part of the win, I guess.
For Murray, it was a bit different as his Mum probably hasn't coached him since he was 14. She also wasn't in the players box with all his team and Dad etc but was sat a couple of rows back in the stand. He seemed to still be in shock and didn't really know what day it was. So I'm guessing his Mum will forgive him the oversight.
Murray was the better player today. However, if Djokovic didn't play almost a 5 hour match 2 days ago, he would have beaten Murray. Djokovic had nothing left in the tank. Also, Djokovic is very gracious when he wins, and always congratulates and praises the opponent when he loses. Murray has zero personality, didn't even acknowledge Djokovic in his speech. I can't warm up to Murray - he seems like a guy who is very cold. Also, Murray was lucky to not have to face Fed or Nadal.
Murray holds two slams. One was almost a year ago which is why i say it's arguable, but if he won the USO again this year, Murray would really be the current best player even if he wasn't in the rankings.
Also Djokovic keeps failing vs Murray in baseline rallies. He starts making way too many unforced errors.I feel like almost every match they play is won because one guy hits too many errors.
The fact that Murray did not have to go through Nadal or Fed does not invalidate this title. Also, the fact that Jerzy seemed to remember where he was immediately after the first set, playing a horrible service game to start the second, getting broken and never even remotely recovering his composure but losing all of his fiery, nothing-to-lose but freedom itself style of play afterwards cannot be blamed on, nor credited solely to Murray. Murray had a cupcake semi while Novak played a big match gamer in Del Potro, the first man ever to go through both Nadal and Federer in a slam. Draws happen, and Roger has had his share of easy ones, as had Rafa and just about anyone else who wins often enough. This was Murray's...but it does not establish him, in my book, as THE new sheriff in town, just the player from the big four on this occasion whose road to the title was objectively less steep. My god, the explosiveness with which he was repeatedly able to cover his court while defending was truly eye popping--I am positively convinced as to who the fresher man was. I still stand by what I've been saying around these forums for nearly the past year now, which has been that Murray would become the next number 1 and this takeover will happen in 2013.
IF Federer hadn't played a 4 hour semi vs Del Potro last year he would have beaten Murray in the gold medal final.
Yup, just like in Rome 2011, AO 2012, and USO 2011 when Novak lost easily in the finals after having a very long and physical semi.
Murray actually spent more time on court than Novak throughout Wimbledon, by the way.
Phenomenal effort. Class act. Congrats Andy!
Here they are. Haters can deal with it.
Oh, well in that case, you will no doubt agree that if Murray hadn't had to play an exhausting 5 set semi-final at this year's AO, he would have beaten Djokovic in the final! Glad we got that one sorted!
What are you talking about? Of course he acknowledged Djokovic in his speech!
Don't waste your breath, he is not listening.
He said Djokovic would go down as one of the greatest ever fighters, and almost turned around the match.
This is very late...but good call!
I feel that this is where Murray gets Novak on grass: he has more options. Novak can't play and win too many "crafty" points. His only option is to destroy Murray from the baseline. Problem is, Murray moves very well on grass, and he feeds off of pace, which is why it's advantage Muzza on faster surfaces. Murray has a tougher time against Novak on slower surfaces because Novak's groundies in general can wear Murray out, and Murray has a tougher time hitting through Novak. We saw Novak try drop shots and come to net often against Murray in the final, trying to mix it up because his normal game wasn't getting it done.
I also noticed Murray hit balls towards the middle of the court to dare Novak to create the angles when Novak's ground game wasn't clicking.
Congratulations Muzza......tHE gREATEST bRITISH PLAYER in the making !!!
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