2013 Wimbledon WTA F: [15] Marion Bartoli vs. [23] Sabine Lisicki

[snowwhite]

That's why it was so sad for me to watch. If they both played their best and Bartoli won it would've been annoyed, but this was something else. It felt like Sabine just handed Bartoli the trophy.

Because Lisicki was owned by the idea that she is playing a Grand slam final, added to the already fragile mentality . If she met the very same Bartoli in other round it would've been a different score, same things for opponents she met earlier, I mean if she played Serena in the final she would probably ended with the same score today, if not worse. Also in 2011 SF, her first serve went away because she was playing in a first grand slam semi final. The opposite was done by Kvitova when she went to the final, she said she forgot about being in a final, and Navratilova advised her to play a match point as if it was a game point in a normal round, and it succeeded. So Lisicki should work on this point particulary if she wants to gain the prize of her huge efforts

 

[JoelDali]

A top tier USTA 5.0 could have beat Bartoli today. Sad. Devastated.

 

[Legend of Borg]

A top tier USTA 5.0 could have beat Bartoli today. Sad. Devastated.

A solid local 4.0 could have dished out some bakery products on the Frenchie.

 

[Overdrive]

A top tier USTA 5.0 could have beat Bartoli today. Sad. Devastated.

No.

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[Overdrive]

I'm glad Bartoli won, but I'm surprised it took her 47 majors to win ONE major title...

:neutral:

 

[Lukhas]

 

[JoelDali]

If Jolly stormed the court and they allowed him to play Bartoli instead of Lezicky I think Jolly would definitely would have won 'The Wimbledon'.

 

[Al Czervik]

A top tier USTA 5.0 could have beat Bartoli today. Sad. Devastated.

First time ever I am not sure if Joel is kidding. That tells you all you need to know about today's ----show and the state of women's tennis in general.

 

[wrexel]

Bartoli deserves the title... with a little bit of fate along the way of course.

 

[bullfan]

The draw opened up massively for her. Its almost like a repeat of the Schiavone French win. The player from the top half (in this case Lisicki) took out big names to reach the final (Stosur, Serena, Radwanska) but couldn't finish the tournament. Same thing happened to Stosur at the 2010 French, took out Henin, Serena and Jankovic...failed against Schiavone.

In some ways this has all the markings of flukedom. But at the same time I am happy for Bartoli, she finally broke away from Daddy and now she wins a major, which according to many (myself included) seemed beyond her. 47 majors played before winning one...that's just amazing and I have to say I respect her. Its also a bit of a slap for all those who seem to think if you don't win one by the time your Lisickis age you never will.

Good for Marion. Was it a fluke? Ya maybe, but hey its nice to see her long career finally amount to something.

It's not like Bartoli hasn't taken out big names herself at various Wimbledon. Kudos to Marion. Bartoli was consistently good, and never dropped a set. She was was a great surprise out of Wimbledon.

 

[Nostradamus]

so lets officially label Lisicki a Choker. OK ?

 

[insideguy]

so lets officially label Lisicki a Choker. OK ?

I cant label her a choker. You actually have to show up to choke.

 

[Sentinel]

Congrats to Bartoli ! As I said before , this could be her last shot at a slam, so can only be happy for her. I am sure she wishes she won it last year though, so she could dance at the champions ball with Federer :twisted:

Federer ? I thought she was more into that James Bond chap .... Pierce Brosnan. I remember how she pushed the spotlight onto him 7 years back

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Congrats to Bartoli, she was just mentally a rock, compared to Lisciki. Bartoli stated that when she looked into Lisciki's eyes before they headed off to court, she could sense the fear and anxiety....she knew right at that moment, that she had her. Because she had that same look when she first played there.

I hope Sabine bounces back. She has a great game for the modern grass, and I am sure if she can stay positive, she can have another shot. She is still very young, I wish her the best. But the moment belongs to Bartoli, and rightfully so.

 

[TheF1Bob]

This match was an abomination for tennis.

 

[sarmpas]

The draw opened up massively for her. Its almost like a repeat of the Schiavone French win. The player from the top half (in this case Lisicki) took out big names to reach the final (Stosur, Serena, Radwanska) but couldn't finish the tournament. Same thing happened to Stosur at the 2010 French, took out Henin, Serena and Jankovic...failed against Schiavone.

In some ways this has all the markings of flukedom. But at the same time I am happy for Bartoli, she finally broke away from Daddy and now she wins a major, which according to many (myself included) seemed beyond her. 47 majors played before winning one...that's just amazing and I have to say I respect her. Its also a bit of a slap for all those who seem to think if you don't win one by the time your Lisickis age you never will.

Good for Marion. Was it a fluke? Ya maybe, but hey its nice to see her long career finally amount to something.

Lisicki couldn't handle the final emotionally, Bartoli could and that fact decided the match.

 

[FreeBird]

Delete......

 

[grandmaster]

women's tennis is a disgraceful embarassment

 

[hugobosstachini]

[...] the way she played it probably would not have mattered.

It would have mattered, Bartoli is 31-46 against top 20 players, 15-34 against the top 10 and 4-24 against the top 4.

She even has a losing record to Sara Errani of all people...

To be honest, nobody can deny Bartoli was severely lucky, probably the luckiest GS champion in the past decade especially in a tournament such as Wimbledon but she took advantage and didn't lost a set so good for her.

The draw really opened up for her well - even if Kvitova had defeated Flipkens, Bartoli has a winning record against her and would have defeated her anyways in straights.


As for Sabine, deceiving final - when the best you can come up with in such an occasion are tears and depression, you don't deserve to win. Unfortunately, this match turns out to be more of an embarrassment than anything else.

I really hope this match doesn't have a negative impact on Sabine's career. She could really regret because she never gave her best and there's nothing worst in sports than losing having the impression that you just didn't deliver anything.

I don't think she'll make a slam F again until next Wimbledon (and I sure hope she doesn't UNTIL she fixes her excessive emotions) but I think she'll be much more efficient on the regular tour hopefully.

 

[hugobosstachini]

True. If their draws were switched, Lisicki would most likely have been in the final , but maybe Bartoli wouldn't, who knows ? Can't blame her for her easy draw, though.

I have always felt the draw system is not always fair. Too much luck involved and the player who finally wins the title may not necessarily have beaten every player in the draw. But what is the other option ? You can't have everyone play everyone else round robin.

If the draw was switched, Bartoli would have never defeated Radwanska for sure... for some reason, Radwanska is a complete nightmare match up.

Bartoli hasn't taken a single set to Radwanska in 5 years (since 2007) and is 2-13 sets w/l, having lost the last 12 to the Pole.

Bartoli has already defeated Serena in Wimbledon so it wouldn't have been impossible.

I think that's probably one of the reasons Radwanska was so dejected when she lost to Sabine, she knew this tournament would have probably been in the pocket had she just managed to get the win... well up to her.

 

[djokovicisananimal]

If the draw was switched, Bartoli would have never defeated Radwanska for sure... for some reason, Radwanska is a complete nightmare match up.

Bartoli hasn't taken a single set to Radwanska in 5 years (since 2007) and is 2-13 sets w/l, having lost the last 12 to the Pole.

Bartoli has already defeated Serena in Wimbledon so it wouldn't have been impossible.

I think that's probably one of the reasons Radwanska was so dejected when she lost to Sabine, she knew this tournament would have probably been in the pocket had she just managed to get the win... well up to her.

A lot of people said Bartoli wouldn't win yesterday as well.

Bartoli would have beaten Radwanska as well.

 

[Vanhool]

I think she would have beat Radwanska yesterday or in semi. Her legs were all taped up and running and crouching are crucial to her game. The way Bartoli was returning, I don't think Raddy would have had time to chase and crouch. And Bartoli was just in the zone. She said in her semi that the ball looked as big as a football (soccer) to her. Her beleaguered serve was on, she was a nightmare at the net. She rose to the occasion.

Marion played well this tournament and we'll never know about the draw, but clearly the top seeds were vulnerable. If the journey women could take them out, why couldn't Bartoli? She was #7 last year; she's not a slouch. She was injured earlier this year, dealing with coaching changes, illness and some mysterious private problem, and her game and rank declined. The clouds lifted just in time for Wimbledon. She sensed immediately that her draw was favorable, and as the top seeds began to fall, she knew this was her chance and took it.

I've always loved her: the crazy practice routines, the knee jumps and practice swings between points, the way she'll crowd the server (on the service box line of a weak server), the fist pumps, the sweaty rag doll look by the end of the match. I hope her new coaching staff takes her to the next level...they're off to a great start! Allez!

 

[snowwhite]

If the draw was switched, Bartoli would have never defeated Radwanska for sure... for some reason, Radwanska is a complete nightmare match up.

Not neccessarily, Samantha Stosur beat Schiavone everytime they played on clay, including one year before the French Open final match in the very same tournament. Bartoli would've won also against Radwanska because she has more hunger to it, she has a more mature offence style. On the other hand Radwanska's game is mainly defence, just waiting for the opponent errors, if the opponent plays great then she willl be crushed if opponent plays bad she'll take advantge of it. Bartoli was offensive from the very first ball and she wanted it so badly, plus she has a supreme mental strenght, just to have 3 champ' points, lost them, serves for the match, broken, your opponent adjust

 

[snowwhite]

A lot of people said Bartoli wouldn't win yesterday as well.

Bartoli would have beaten Radwanska as well.

Exactly, and she had a 1-3 record vs Lisicki, last time Bartoli beat Lisicki was in 2008, didn't matter any way

 

[rosewallGOAT]

Bartoli was in the zone. The only one who could have beaten her is Serena of course, and maybe Lisicki in her earlier Wimbledon form (probably not even her semifinal form vs Radwanska which was a bit too erratic for that Bartoli).

 

[Cormorant]

Interesting to hear Bartoli's preliminary thoughts on a USO tilt. I'd say lightning doesn't strike twice, but that would be forgetful of me considering the awful weather in NYC over the past few Opens.

 

[Brian11785]

Bartoli was in the zone. The only one who could have beaten her is Serena of course, and maybe Lisicki in her earlier Wimbledon form (probably not even her semifinal form vs Radwanska which was a bit too erratic for that Bartoli).

That was the impressive thing: she seemed to be playing totally within herself. She was definitely "in the zone", but she was playing really smart, high percentage tennis. How she kept bombing groundstrokes repeatedly to Lisicki's backhand was exhilarating in its sheer....in-your-face-ness. Was evident that Lisicki could have been playing quite a bit better and it still wouldn't have mattered. That is what makes me wonder if this might be a sign of future good things to come from Bartoli.

 

[Atherton2003]

I think Bartoli had the easiest draw I've ever seen.

 

[storypeddler]

ROFL. I love listening to the way all the grouchy poor match pickers are so quick to jump on a winner just because the match didn't turn out the way they had planned. Bartoli did exactly what she had to do. She beat every opponent that stood in front of her, and she never dropped a single set in doing it. The history of Wimbledon is full of players who took advantage of an open draw or a key injury to an opponent or weather conditions or court conditions or whatever. There have been lots of players who won a Wimbledon championship and never did much else to speak of. Richard Krajicek, Goran Ivanisevich, Pat Cash, Michael Stich, Jan Kodes, Jana Novotna, Conchita Martinez, Virginia Wade...the list goes on.

Bartoli won. She beat every opponent she faced and she won the championship. Period.

 

[snowwhite]

I think Bartoli had the easiest draw I've ever seen.

There are also top players who won slams only because got rid of their rivals, so should it be forbidden for Bartoli?
Plus, the bottom draw was widely open, besides Azarenaka and Sharapova, there were 62 others players who had the chance to keep on, but only Bartoli who came along
Again, too many other top players had even worse draws
Would Maria Sharapova win AUS 2008 if she played Serena? Probably not
Maria Sharapova 2012 FO
Martina Hingis won AUS 1999 because Amelie Mauresmo upset Lindsay Davenport in Semi final
Martina Navratilova won Wimbledon 1990 because Zina Garrison upest Graf
Conchita Martinez 1994, because Graf lost in 1st Round
Federer won his all time missing FO because he didn't play Nadal
Even Graf won too many more slams because Seles was stabbed
and So on
So what makes Maria Sharapova deserves the FO 2012 more than Bartoli does in Wim 2013?

 

[Kaitain]

Lisicki very easily. A 55 minute match at most. Bartoli is past her prime and is only in the final due to an absolute joke of a draw. The previous couple posters drastically overrate her. She isnt as powerful a hitter as she was a few years ago, and against Sloane could barely hit winners, so against Lisicki she might have about 3 winners the whole match. Yeah against a puffball like Flipkens she can overpower and hit winners, but that is the only type of player she can these days. She is also way too slow and weak a defensive player to extract enough errors from Lisicki. After gutting out a tough win over Serena, and now a win over her previous personal nemisis Radwanska from behind in the 3rd set, there is no way she will let an old slow power player who she can easily outhit stand in her way and will mow her down like a lawn mower.

I do enjoy confident predictions.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

^ Another troll alternate account.

 

[Kaitain]

Troll? Who's a troll? Me, or rosewall?

 

[Kaitain]

Bartoli seemed stronger mentally than anyone else I can remember watching in the tournament, but perhaps that's because she was never seriously tested. She did pass one huge final test, though: serving the match out in that tenth game. Having been 6-1, 5-1, 15-40 up, she was facing the very real possibility of completing one of the biggest ever grand slam chokes had she lost that game to put the match at 5-5. Lisicki would have cleared her mind totally, and it would have gnawed at Bartoli all the way to a three set defeat. I really do think the match hinged on that one game...and Bartoli served it out to love. That was seriously impressive.

 

[Mainad]

There have been lots of players who won a Wimbledon championship and never did much else to speak of. Richard Krajicek, Goran Ivanisevich, Pat Cash, Michael Stich, Jan Kodes, Jana Novotna, Conchita Martinez, Virginia Wade...the list goes on.

Jan Kodes also won 2 back to back French Open titles and Virginia Wade also won the US Open and the Australian Open!

Bartoli won. She beat every opponent she faced and she won the championship. Period.

Exactly.