2014 Dubai SF: [1] Novak Djokovic vs. [4] Roger Federer

Djokovic v. Federer

  • Djokovic in 2

    Votes: 24 25.5%

  • Djokovic in 3

    Votes: 16 17.0%

  • Federer in 2

    Votes: 11 11.7%

  • Federer in 3

    Votes: 43 45.7%
  • Total voters
    94
  • Poll closed .
SystemicAnomaly said:
Didn't see it. What is this that Roger is holding up? A red ball???

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Ball covered in Nole's blood.
 
Terenigma said:
Federer holds, i give it... 2 games before he chokes it away. xD
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This Always bothers me. People on here assume way too easily that losing a match from a lead is a choke. This post was made at 2-0 in the third. ANYTHING is possible at that point and indeed Djokovic was still very much in it. Why would it have been a choke had federer still ended up losing? It wouldn't be. The fact that he came back from 15-40 should tell you that. It's more about QUALITY than mental in these moments. If you can't play your way out of holes that has a lot to do with the opponent, your mentality, but also just your form. I think it's ridiculous to even suggest Federer would CHOKE a match in freakin Dubai.
 
joeri888 said:
This Always bothers me. People on here assume way too easily that losing a match from a lead is a choke. This post was made at 2-0 in the third. ANYTHING is possible at that point and indeed Djokovic was still very much in it. Why would it have been a choke had federer still ended up losing? It wouldn't be. The fact that he came back from 15-40 should tell you that. It's more about QUALITY than mental in these moments. If you can't play your way out of holes that has a lot to do with the opponent, your mentality, but also just your form. I think it's ridiculous to even suggest Federer would CHOKE a match in freakin Dubai.
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Yes, choke and epic are two often overused words. If Federer had lost the match from 5-1 (like he did in 2009) that can be termed a "choke." Federer losing 2 match points on his own serve in a USO SF and getting visibly tight, that's a choke. This would not have been a choke unless Federer completely gave away his serve late with DF's ala Dimitrov. Djokovic was quality to get those 2 BP's and Federer was quality for saving them. Not everything is a choke. As you said, it's actually more about the quality the players are playing at.
 
urundai said:
Why bother? Naysayers will come up with H2H, etc. Just ignore the weak era bs.

No one outside of this forum even talks about it and we never hear about previous weak eras.
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Not so it's regularly discussed, just google it.
 
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clayqueen said:
Not sot is regularly discussed, just google it, This is case fo the prosecution:-

Did Federer really dominate in a “Weak Era”?

Yes, Federer dominated in a relatively “weak era”. This post may not be popular, but I wanted to look at some numbers to decide if once and for all there was some substance to making the claim that 2004-2007 was a weak era. From what I found, I think that making this claim is justified.

First, let’s look at the opponents he was facing compared to the opponents Nadal and Djokovic had to face in their No. 1 years. I’m not including 2009 for Federer as this wasn’t part of the disputed “weak era”. These numbers represent the average ranking of players faced. (To adjust for really low-ranked players (>200), the highest ranking assigned to any one player was 200).

Average Ranking of Opponent:
Federer (2004-2007) QFs and after: 26, SFs and after: 22, All Finals: 18, Won Finals: 19
Nadal (2008,2010,2013*) QFs and after: 21, SFs and after: 15, All Finals: 8, Won Finals: 9
Djokovic (2011, 2012) QFs and after: 15, SFs and after: 9, All Finals: 5, Won Finals: 6

*Disregard opponents from Vina del Mar and Sao Paulo in 2013, as these are tournaments he played only due to the 7-month absence from the game (neither Djokovic nor Federer went through this)

-If we want to choose the 3 most dominant years for Federer since neither Nadal nor Djokovic have more than 3 years:

Federer (2004-2006) QFs and after: 28, SFs and after: 24, All Finals: 21, Won Finals: 23

I think the numbers speak for themselves, but the top players were just not as consistent in Fed’s dominant years. In finals, the average rank he faced was 18 (21 if we just look at 2004-2006), compared to 9 and 6 for Nadal and Djokovic, respectively.

Next, even though Federer wasn’t even playing the top players consistently, let’s look at the caliber of the top players. I think the best way is to look at wins at the top tournaments (Slams, Masters, WTF) during those years.

2004-2007:

Federer: 11 GS + 13 M1000 + 3 WTF = 27 wins
Nadal: 3 GS + 9 M1000 + 0 WTF = 12 wins (9 on clay)
Safin: 1 GS + 2 M1000 + 0 WTF = 3 wins
Nalbandian: 0 GS + 2 M1000 + 1 WTF = 3 wins
Roddick: 0 GS + 2 M1000 + 0 WTF = 2 wins
Djokovic: 0 GS + 2 M1000 + 0 WTF = 2 wins
Davydenko: 0 GS + 1 M1000 + 0 WTF = 1 win
Hewitt: 0 GS + 0 M1000 + 0 WTF = 0 wins

Since 2008:

Nadal: 10 GS + 17 M1000 + 0 WTF = 27 wins
Djokovic: 6 GS + 14 M1000 + 3 WTF = 23 wins
Federer: 5 GS + 7 M1000 + 2 WTF = 14 wins
Murray: 2 GS + 9 M1000 + 0 WTF = 11 wins
Davydenko: 0 GS + 2 M1000 + 1 WTF = 3 wins
Del Potro: 1 GS + 0 M1000 + 0 WTF = 1 win

Again, I think the numbers speak for themselves. I know everyone likes to say that Federer is the reason that other players couldn't win from 2004-2007, but it's just not true. For instance, Hewitt who won 0 big titles during 2004-2007, that's right 0, lost to Federer in big tournaments 11 times in that span. There were 56 big tournaments total, so if Hewitt were such a force to be reckoned with, what happened in the other 45 opportunities to win? Sure, he could have lost to Federer later on in those tournaments, but the fact is he didn't make it that far. Same applies for the other top players from 2004-2007. I rest my case.

To clarify, the quality of the opponent during Fed's dominant years was not his fault. He was extremely consistent, and I completely agree that he is the most consistent tennis player we have ever seen. Does this make him the greatest player ever? I don't know. What I do know is that it will be much harder for either Nadal or Djokovic to equal Federer's numbers due to the competition they have to face.

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1461
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I could have saved you all that mumbo jumbo with this.

Nadal went pro in 2003, won his first slam in 2005. Nadal and Fed faced the same competition for most of Nadal's career. Murray and Djoker broke thru in 2007. Made slam finals in 2008.

Deal with it.
 
Vintage Fed after that first set. I wasn't expecting that at all.

It was nice to see him chipping, and charging. Looks like he's finally realizing he has to play at the net to beat the top guys.

Tough start to the year for Novak. I know it's early, but you really got a question that coaching decision.
 
urundai said:
Why bother? Naysayers will come up with H2H, etc. Just ignore the weak era bs.

No one outside of this forum even talks about it and we never hear about previous weak eras.
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TheMusicLover said:
Don't bother with that. You can't talk any sense in brainwashed cult-followers anyways. ;)
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I am myself a Nadal fan actually. Fed's descent post 2009 had diminished my hopes on him. But since 2011 FO, he has shown his class time and again. This made it really difficult not to respect him even as Nadal's fan.

Beating god mode Djoker on his (Fed's) weakest surface,

Then almost beating him again twice in USO,

Beating djoko and Murray at Wimby post 30,

Then whipping djoko again at Cincy,

Taking djoko to 3 sets while playing some of his worst tennis (late 2013),
and eventually beating him now!

Who can claim with an honest heart that he wouldn't have handled prime djoker and Murray during his prime years?
 
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