2014 French Open Final: Nadal (1) V Djokovic (2)

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-RF- said:
A strange match- was I the only one who found it a bit flat, a little non-atmospheric and a little disappointing?

Great first set from Novak, but was unusually tight on big points.
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Nope, I didn't find it that way. The crowd was going bananas all the way. Although I'd have to re-watch last year SF to be sure of exactly how bananas. But I don't re-watch tennis matches, only watch them once (but I keep the slam finals on DVD).
 
Wasn't a great final quality wise that's for sure but the drama made up for it.

Tbh, I think both guys were out of it physically, for some reason or another.

Djokovic reportedly had a sort of flu and he barfed. Nadal started having issues and gesturing with his body in set 3 when he lead and even cramped at the ceremony towards the end. In his interview after the match he said that he was already quite tired at the end of set 2.

Mentally Rafa was better in the crucial moment of set 2 and I honestly think that if he lost that set he would have been gone in straights. Forehand was pretty good throughout, backhand was meh, serve was decent. Djokovic's game starting melting since the middle of set 2. Don't know if the situation got to him or if he couldn't cut it physically.

With 9 RG I think it's clear that Rafa is pretty much the perfect clay court player, he has the perfect spinny forehand for it, solid BH, mental and physical fortitude and courage to go for his shots when the situation calls for it. He is a champ through and through. Wasn't particularly impressed by his game other than in the Murray match but in the end he still wins. Amazing.

Couldn't help but feel a bit bad for Djoko though. His troubles in RG are starting to resemble Fed's. He wants it so much that he may never win it.

I'm kinda split on Rafa's planning for the grass season. On one hand, it's clear that he must get some practice on grass before WB. On the other hand it's also clear that he has some back issues and he'll need a decent back to be able to count on his serve on the faster WB courts.
 
Team10 said:
You're one pathetic Fed fan girl. Federer is not everything about tennis, there are so many other players too. Federer is my favorite player, then Nadal, then the rest. I don't understand why it's so hard on this forum to like them both.

Were the 2012 finals hard for you too?
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The post you replied to was filled with the kind of hate no professional athlete should ever take lightly, if his security is aware such a person.Unfortunately, there are many with violent thoughts about Nadal--all because he dominates Federer, and now is one major closer to Federer's.
 
namelessone said:
Wasn't a great final quality wise that's for sure but the drama made up for it.

Tbh, I think both guys were out of it physically, for some reason or another.

Djokovic reportedly had a sort of flu and he barfed. Nadal started having issues and gesturing with his body in set 3 when he lead and even cramped at the ceremony towards the end. In his interview after the match he said that he was already quite tired at the end of set 2.

Mentally Rafa was better in the crucial moment of set 2 and I honestly think that if he lost that set he would have been gone in straights. Forehand was pretty good throughout, backhand was meh, serve was decent. Djokovic's game starting melting since the middle of set 2. Don't know if the situation got to him or if he couldn't cut it physically.

With 9 RG I think it's clear that Rafa is pretty much the perfect clay court player, he has the perfect spinny forehand for it, solid BH, mental and physical fortitude and courage to go for his shots when the situation calls for it. He is a champ through and through. Wasn't particularly impressed by his game other than in the Murray match but in the end he still wins. Amazing.

Couldn't help but feel a bit bad for Djoko though. His troubles in RG are starting to resemble Fed's. He wants it so much that he may never win it.

I'm kinda split on Rafa's planning for the grass season. On one hand, it's clear that he must get some practice on grass before WB. On the other hand it's also clear that he has some back issues and he'll need a decent back to be able to count on his serve on the faster WB courts.
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The conditions were more humid than last year. Points longer and the heat was more draining with all the sweat.
 
Okay - didn't seem that bad....I thought the extended clapping for Djokovic during trophy celebration was too much - lack of respect for Nadal.
 
Dutch-Guy said:
You can check it on the net.
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I'm sure it's true, but was just amazed by these stats.

Any way, the FO is over and now and we look forward to Wimbledon. As a Fed fan, I feel that if today's Nadal is almost impossible to beat at the FO, then maybe Fed really had no chance in 2005-2008. He just finds a way to win this tournament time and time again.

Congrats to him and I hope Djokovic will recover from this and get back stronger next year.
 
The amount of venom spewed on Rafa on this forum in the last 1 week was enormous.

Anyway, Congrats to the deserving champion. He is such a class act! He apologized to Novak for defeating him. Seriously, who else does that?

Also wished Nole that he will definitely win it in future. I just can't fathom how people can hate such a nice guy so much.
 
OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD!!! :D I missed the entire match, can't believe Rafa won :D

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WhiskeyEE said:
That's another advantage Novak had. He knew he would have a chance whether he was up or down.

The guy has lost 5 out of 6 slam finals or something like that. He has basically become a worse version of Ferrer. Because he beats everyone on his side of the draw and then doesn't show up for the final. At least Ferrer loses in semis and quarters and doesn't ruin the entire event.
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Djoko claps a lot when he doesn't give a worrying thought. He has been like this since 2012, but despite what people say about him needing risky shots to win, he actually played dominating tennis with safe shots.

He listened to klutzes vajda & Becker about requiring line hitting winners and he was always slow and disinterested at the French open.
Novak needs a real tactic coach and good practice partners, not his untalented brother, etc. why did Becker make him gain weight to be slower?

Novak already won many tournaments in 6 months, so it's not like he played a bunch of 2nd rate clay events.

In slams, He always only practices with nadal when nadal is hitting short shots, and getting broken easily.
Nadal was very beatable, but djoko just really cares about dominating the tour, not dealing with the fact that he doesn't need to do boring rallies with Stan, Murray, wawrinka & nadal in 4-5 setters. He didn't trust himself since 2012.

Nadal fakery is well-known.
He is obsessed with pretending Novak did major things for French open. If he did so much, he wouldn't have just slowed down and boringly smacked the ball with no purpose in several French opens.

Nadal had to admit that he was lucky time after time only vs. Novak, but he certainly played nothing worth praising after what djokovic did -- nothing in slams. Nadal did the same things every year in each match.
Novak just pretends to care about the court & crowd and claps a lot in slams to not hurt nadal's feelings.
 
Well the bookmakers decided before the final that Nadal is the favourite to win his 9th title at the French Grand Slam tournament that goes by the name of Roland Garros. This must be the clear reason why Nadal suddenly ended up winning the final of this here event, the 2014 edition of the much vaunted Roland Garros French Open.
 
agreed said:
Djoko claps a lot when he doesn't give a worrying thought. He has been like this since 2012, but despite what people say about him needing risky shots to win, he actually played dominating tennis with safe shots.

He listened to klutzes vajda & Becker about requiring line hitting winners and he was always slow and disinterested at the French open.
Novak needs a real tactic coach and good practice partners, not his untalented brother, etc. why did Becker make him gain weight to be slower?

Novak already won many tournaments in 6 months, so it's not like he played a bunch of 2nd rate clay events.

In slams, He always only practices with nadal when nadal is hitting short shots, and getting broken easily.
Nadal was very beatable, but djoko just really cares about dominating the tour, not dealing with the fact that he doesn't need to do boring rallies with Stan, Murray, wawrinka & nadal in 4-5 setters. He didn't trust himself since 2012.

Nadal fakery is well-known.
He is obsessed with pretending Novak did major things for French open. If he did so much, he wouldn't have just slowed down and boringly smacked the ball with no purpose in several French opens.

Nadal had to admit that he was lucky time after time only vs. Novak, but he certainly played nothing worth praising after what djokovic did -- nothing in slams. Nadal did the same things every year in each match.
Novak just pretends to care about the court & crowd and claps a lot in slams to not hurt nadal's feelings.
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But none of those wins were in slams so who cares?

As for the rest of your post, WTH are you even talking about? Who can understand you? A lot of rubbish. :confused:
 
cc0509 said:
But none of those wins were in slams so who cares?

As for the rest of your post, WTH are you even talking about? Who can understand you? A lot of rubbish. :confused:
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Exactly. Starting from the US Open onwards, he won every non slam event he competed in except MC, but lost all three slams...He's not winning where he should, and that is the only thing that matters.

Edit - Djokovic has won only one of the last nine slams.
 
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agreed said:
Djoko claps a lot when he doesn't give a worrying thought. He has been like this since 2012, but despite what people say about him needing risky shots to win, he actually played dominating tennis with safe shots.

He listened to klutzes vajda & Becker about requiring line hitting winners and he was always slow and disinterested at the French open.
Novak needs a real tactic coach and good practice partners, not his untalented brother, etc. why did Becker make him gain weight to be slower?

Novak already won many tournaments in 6 months, so it's not like he played a bunch of 2nd rate clay events.

In slams, He always only practices with nadal when nadal is hitting short shots, and getting broken easily.
Nadal was very beatable, but djoko just really cares about dominating the tour, not dealing with the fact that he doesn't need to do boring rallies with Stan, Murray, wawrinka & nadal in 4-5 setters. He didn't trust himself since 2012.

Nadal fakery is well-known.
He is obsessed with pretending Novak did major things for French open. If he did so much, he wouldn't have just slowed down and boringly smacked the ball with no purpose in several French opens.

Nadal had to admit that he was lucky time after time only vs. Novak, but he certainly played nothing worth praising after what djokovic did -- nothing in slams. Nadal did the same things every year in each match.
Novak just pretends to care about the court & crowd and claps a lot in slams to not hurt nadal's feelings.
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Umm....what? :confused:
 
NADALRECORD said:
Today, Nadal hit 44 winners (and 38 unforced errors).

In 2012 Roland Garros Final, Nadal hit 29 winners (and 23 unforced errors).
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Nadal is simply too awesome for tier 3 Djokovic, who can forget 22 winners in one set in last year's semi. Those who say Nadal moonballs will never understand the superiority that the King of Slam has displayed in today's final by blasting more winners than Djokovic (the biggest pusher who can't hit a second serve to save himself).
 
Since 2012.

2012
Australian Open: Novak Djokovic
French Open: Rafael Nadal
Wimbledon: Roger Federer
US Open: Andy Murray

2013
Australian Open: Novak Djokovic
French Open: Rafael Nadal
Wimbledon: Andy Murray
US Open: Rafael Nadal

2014
Australian Open: Stan Wawrinka
French Open: Rafael Nadal

4 Nadal
2 Murray
2 Djokovic
1 Wawrinka
1 Federer

Son of God, 1 slam since AO 13. ;-)
 
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Hitman said:
Exactly. Starting from the US Open onwards, he won every non slam event he competed in except MC, but lost all three slams...He's not winning where he should, and that is the only thing that matters.

Edit - Djokovic has won only one of the last nine slams.
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There should be more reasonable fans like you. I don't understand how a fan of any player can't admit certain things when the stats are right there in front of them and they continue to deny. It is so silly imo.

Nobody can deny that Djokovic is a great player but it is also true that since the AO 2013 he has come up short in the slams. It is what it is.
 
FanOfLu said:
Nadal is simply too awesome for tier 3 Djokovic, who can forget 22 winners in one set in last year's semi. Those who say Nadal moonballs will never understand the superiority that the King of Slam has displayed in today's final by blasting more winners than Djokovic (the biggest pusher who can't hit a second serve to save himself).
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Its funny that they chose the word "moonball" for a guy who puts more topspin on the ball than anyone in history :lol:

They could have chosen another word to avoid sounding stupid, but no....."moonball" :lol:
 
cc0509 said:
There should be more reasonable fans like you. I don't understand how a fan of any player can't admit certain things when the stats are right there in front of them and they continue to deny. It is so silly imo.

Nobody can deny that Djokovic is a great player but it is also true that since the AO 2013 he has come up short in the slams. It is what it is.
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It is what it is, yes. There is no hiding behind the fact that Djokovic has been a great NON-slam player recently, and just second best in slams. He's competed in three of the last four slam finals and lost them all convincingly in the end. Great consistency, but that gets you no where if you are also consistent in picking up runner up trophies.
 
RAFA Nadal destined to be #1 in 2014 NOW

so Like, can we Finally say,, NADAL is the BEST EVER clay court player in history of tennis and ALSO current best tennis player on Clay. and he will be year ending #1 again.............................
 
Hitman said:
Exactly. Starting from the US Open onwards, he won every non slam event he competed in except MC, but lost all three slams...He's not winning where he should, and that is the only thing that matters.

Edit - Djokovic has won only one of the last nine slams.
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To me Djokovic is a phenomenon: from a guy who was losing to Fed and Nadal everywhere before USO 2010 to a guy who dominated tennis during 2011 and won 3 GSs. From a guy who never defeated Nadal in a GS match to a guy who has defeated him in 3 straight major finals. And, from a guy who did so much in 2011 to a guy who became vulnerable against any player in the top 5-10 basically. From a guy who saved 4 match points from Fed and 4 from Tsonga to a guy who loses 2 GS finals on DFs. From a clutch player whom hard to beat to a guy that loses sets and games that should have been his.

He jumped to the peak very quickly in 2011, but his ability to win the big tournaments declined very fast. It's almost an inverted V.
 
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Here is the updated head-to-head:

Rafael Nadal 23-19 Novak Djokovic
2006 French Open QF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-4 ret.)
2007 Indian Wells F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-2, 7-5)
2007 Miami QF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
2007 Rome QF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-2, 6-3)
2007 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-4, 6-2)
2007 Wimbledon SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (3-6, 6-1, 4-1 ret.)
2007 Montreal SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-5, 6-3)
2007 Masters Cup RR: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-4)
2008 Indian Wells SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-2)
2008 Hamburg SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 2-6, 6-2)
2008 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-2, 7-6)
2008 Queen's Club F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-6, 7-5)
2008 Cincinnati SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-1, 7-5)
2008 Beijing Olympics SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 1-6, 6-4)
2009 Davis Cup 1R: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-4, 6-1)
2009 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 2-6, 6-1)
2009 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-6, 6-2)
2009 Madrid SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (3-6, 7-6, 7-6)
2009 Cincinnati SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-1, 6-4)
2009 Paris Indoor SF: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 6-3)
2009 World Tour Finals RR: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 6-3)
2010 US Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 5-7, 6-4, 6-2)
2010 World Tour Finals RR: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-2)
2011 Indian Wells F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (4-6, 6-3, 6-2)
2011 Miami F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (4-6, 6-3, 7-6)
2011 Madrid F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (7-5, 6-4)
2011 Rome F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-4)
2011 Wimbledon F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-1, 1-6, 6-3)
2011 US Open F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 6-4, 6-7, 6-1)
2012 Australian Open F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (5-7, 6-4, 6-2, 6-7, 7-5)
2012 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 6-1)
2012 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-3)
2012 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-3, 2-6, 7-5)
2013 Monte Carlo F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 7-6)
2013 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-7, 9-7)
2013 Montreal SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 7-6)
2013 US Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-2, 3-6, 6-4, 6-1)
2013 Beijing F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
2013 World Tour Finals F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
2014 Miami F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-3)
2014 Rome F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (4-6, 6-3, 6-3)
2014 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (3-6, 7-5, 6-2, 6-4)

Hardcourt: 14-7 to Djokovic
Clay: 14-4 to Nadal
Grass: 2-1 to Nadal
Carpet: 0-0
In Majors: 9-3 to Nadal
 
LazyNinja19 said:
Just saw the highlights on RG site, why did Novak thumbs up the crowd sarcastically after he DFted at match point?? :confused:
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Someone in the crowd called out before Djokovic's second serve, causing Djokovic to delay the serve. He then double faulted in almost a carbon copy of the ending from 2 years ago.
 
Fed881981 said:
To me Djokovic is a phenomenon: from a guy who was losing to Fed and Nadal everywhere before USO 2010 to a guy who dominated tennis during 2011 and won 3 GSs. From a guy who never defeated Nadal in a GS match to a guy who has defeated him in 3 straight major finals. And, from a guy who did so much in 2011 to a guy who became vulnerable against any player in the top 5-10 basically. From a guy who saved 4 match points from Fed and 4 from Tsonga to a guy who loses 2 GS finals on DFs. From a clutch player whom hard to beat to a guy that loses sets and games that should have been his.

He jumped to the peak very quickly in 2011, but his ability to win the big tournaments declined very fast. It's almost an inverted V.
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Yes, he is a phenomenon. He's just not as phenomenal as Nadal and Federer.
 
wow, completely opposite than here...different creatures

Pat Cash ‏@TheRealPatCash 9h
Special moment from the locker room @rolandgarros I’m sitting there and see Novak and Rafa walkin by each other smile and give a high five.
 
edberg volleys said:
Novak just couldn't handle the pressure. Period. He choked. He was physically ok, so no excuses.
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That is what I think. It is a lot of pressure to have to deal with and very few players are built to handle it and hence why there are so few double digit slam winners. I actually felt badly for Djokovic. I have been there as a Federer fan and it is not a great feeling for sure.
 
ACE of Hearts said:
Novak is an idiot.He shouldnt be high fiving anyone after that match.He needs to work and find a way on how to beat nadal at rg.
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I am sorry to be rude or negative, but I think you need to accept the fact that he probably won't be able to do it. He may win the FO but it is hard to see how he will beat Nadal there as long as Nadal is reasonably healthy and still motivated. They are both getting older too so it will become harder for both of them to keep winning slams at some point, maybe in a year or two.
 
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