2014 Tour Championship Singapore: Discussion Thread

Who will win the 2014 WTA Championship Singapore


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Tcbtennis;8820168If Roger Federer had the opportunity to prevent Rafa from getting to the ATP Finals or vice versa by tanking the crucial SF match, you are telling me that you would encourage it and NOT use it against the player you like least in the fan flame war. I don't buy it.

Well you don't know me then. Nope. I would not use it against the player I like least. I would think he was being smart. It is not like this is a normal tournament, that would be a different story. This is a round robin event and Halep already did the damage to Serena the first time and made the SF. The Ivanovic match was like a rubber. Who cares what is done in a rubber type match? The fact that former tennis pros/tennis analysts and commentators were questioning the tactics of Halep and discussing it on air says it all. It was a dumb move.

Simona has street cred now. A few of you may whine about her being stupid or making a poor decision but the vast majority of tennis fans are nodding our heads and saying, "Good for you. You knew that beating Serena a second time around would be difficult but you said bring it. Much respect

What street cred does this move give her? :confused: She gained nothing by not taking her opportunity and using it wisely and strategically like a chess move.
 
@cc0509
It was a dumb move, no two ways about it. Yet, it was also a sporting move in the romantic sense that you always give it your all.
I feel sorry for Caroline, she came oh so close yesterday and would have liked her chances vs. Halep today, imo.
 
@cc0509
It was a dumb move, no two ways about it. Yet, it was also a sporting move in the romantic sense that you always give it your all.
I feel sorry for Caroline, she came oh so close yesterday and would have liked her chances vs. Halep today, imo.

Yes, I would have liked to see Caroline in the final.
 
So like people didn't get their money's worth in this final and championship. that is WTA tennis.

On the other hand, ATP Murray vs Robredo, now that is entertainment and that is money for the fans. and WTA asks for equal prize money........Really ?????
 
So like people didn't get their money's worth in this final and championship. that is WTA tennis.

On the other hand, ATP Murray vs Robredo, now that is entertainment and that is money for the fans. and WTA asks for equal prize money........Really ?????

These events are completely independent of each other.
 
Yeah, Halep's dress is horrible but so is Serena's. It is 80's prom.
I thought Simona's dress was cute. The hem line was a little too high, but it was cute nonetheless. Worst dressed was below. Hideous, in fact. You kids need to learn to wear clothes that aren't tattered and torn.

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AngieB
 
I thought Simona's dress was cute. The hem line was a little too high, but it was cute nonetheless. Worst dressed was below. Hideous, in fact. You kids need to learn to wear clothes that aren't tattered and torn.

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AngieB

Not just the dress either.
 
Not just the dress either.
I was not going to mention hair and makeup. The dress was so bad, I just didn't think moving on to hair and makeup was necessary. But I understand what you are saying. She looks like one of the rough girls from across town.

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AngieB
 
^^^I was actually referring more to her personality(if you can call it that) but you're right about the other things as well.
 
Wow, Serena certainly made Simona pay for that beatdown she took from her in the RR stage!

Rule 1: If you choose to make Serena look bad on a tennis court...be afraid, be very afraid coz she's coming to get you!! :wink:
 
Worst dressed was below. Hideous, in fact. You kids need to learn to wear clothes that aren't tattered and torn.

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No, some of you guys don't get the European sophistication and variety. E.g., whenever you see something colorful, you think it must be gay.

Aga knows she has angular body features and a face that isn't exactly a smiley. In order to compensate for that, she chose something designed to fill the air around her, something a bit retro and fantasy-like, something fun. Of course it's non-standard, a bit fashiony (as Bouchard would say) but it works in terms of originality (and it's not really strange) and of completing her.
 
Am I the only one here who think Halep would have lost regardless of whether she tanked the RR match or not. Serena inched past the semis unlike the finals, at least Halep can hold her head high, knowing she gave it her all.
 
Simona Halep, interview in Romanian in Bucharest, today:

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- I have only good words about Serena. She was very nice to me.

- I didn't speak with Sharapova. She doesn't speak too much with the other players. I talked to the others, just with Sharapova and Bouchard didn't have any conversation.

- After a vacation, I'll have a training camp in mountains, to train for the new season.

- I am not sure whether I'll continue with Wim Fissette. I'll take a decision after the vacation.

- on the podium, Serena told me she wants a picture with the next world #1, that is me.

- In the match with Ivanovic, I took the decision that I myself thought to be correct. I am glad I was able to play twice with Serena, even though I lost in the final.

http://www.ziare.com/simona-halep/s...rapova-si-colaborarea-cu-wim-fissette-1329794
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I thought Simona's dress was cute. The hem line was a little too high, but it was cute nonetheless. Worst dressed was below. Hideous, in fact. You kids need to learn to wear clothes that aren't tattered and torn.

Halep's dress was too busy for my taste. The style was ok but I did not care for the busy pattern. I agree with you that Radwanska's dress was worse.

She looks like one of the rough girls from across town.

Yes, Radwanska is rough looking imo.
 
Simona Halep, interview in Romanian in Bucharest, today:

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- I have only good words about Serena. She was very nice to me.

- I didn't speak with Sharapova. She doesn't speak too much with the other players. I talked to the others, just with Sharapova and Bouchard didn't have any conversation.

So, along with other historical references stating similar sentiments, Simona also speaks of Serena's pleasant character.

That flies in the face of the TW bloodlust squad who live to spread BS as truth about SW. Simona goes on to say she did not have dialogue with Sharapova. Now, this could be due to either having nothing in particular to say to the other, busy with personal business, or, as has been reported over thew years, Sharapova is not friendly with many players.

- on the podium, Serena told me she wants a picture with the next world #1, that is me.

High praise from a legend!

Two things--I wonder if :

...that will have a negative impact on her game?

...Serena's praise irks the other young guns who see themselves as the next dominant force on tour?
 
No, some of you guys don't get the European sophistication and variety. E.g., whenever you see something colorful, you think it must be gay.

Aga knows she has angular body features and a face that isn't exactly a smiley. In order to compensate for that, she chose something designed to fill the air around her, something a bit retro and fantasy-like, something fun. Of course it's non-standard, a bit fashiony (as Bouchard would say) but it works in terms of originality (and it's not really strange) and of completing her.

I don't mind her dress that much, but the persons responsible for her make-up should be fired immediately. (I do hope she didn't do it herself)
They've succeeded in making her look at least 15 years older than she is. Terrible.
 
Seems to have been Simona's own decision:

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Neither Ivanovic nor Williams’s semifinal opponent, Caroline Wozniacki, would have been a pushover in the final, but Halep’s coach, Wim Fissette, acknowledged that her chances might have been improved if she had lost the second set to Ivanovic.

“When you’re a champ, you want to win every match, and that’s what Simona was trying to do against Ivanovic,” Fissette said. “Unfortunately she lost that match. But that’s sports, and the No. 1 in the world won this tournament, so she’s a well-deserved champion. But yeah, maybe she can be a little smarter next time.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/s...on=Footer&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=article
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I don't mind her dress that much, but the persons responsible for her make-up should be fired immediately. (I do hope she didn't do it herself)
They've succeeded in making her look at least 15 years older than she is. Terrible.

I think that is part of the "European sophistication" Marius discussed. It's a package deal that goes with the dress. A lot of Soviet influence.

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AngieB
 
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Mats Wilander tips Simona Halep to dominate WTA

by Reem Abulleil



Former world No1 Mats Wilander believes Simona Halep has a Novak Djokovic-like streak in her future as he tips the young Romanian to top the women’s game in the upcoming years.

Halep has had a remarkable 17 months - stretching back to May last year – where she has picked up eight titles, reached the French Open final, and peaked at No2 in the world.

The 23-year-old posted her first top-three win of her career against world No1 Serena Williams earlier this week and Wilander – a seven-time major champion – believes Halep will continue to build up confidence that can make her unstoppable in the near future.

“I think she has played some matches at a different level than the rest of the girls apart from maybe Serena because of the serve,” Wilander told Sport360° on the sidelines of the WTA Finals in Singapore.

“But from the baseline I think Halep can play at a different level from the rest of the girls because she moves so well and she’s so solid from both sides and I’m sure that her confidence is growing and growing.

“She literally is going to be like Novak Djokovic, she might be unbeatable one day.

“She plays the same. She is smart. And most probably playing at the top level more often, her mentality is going to get better and better, her body language is going to be positive all the time and once it is then I think players are going to be fearing her big time.

“I think she’s just going to get better and better for the next two, three years so yes I think she is a future No1.”

Wilander was also in awe of Williams’ most recent achievement – finishing the year as No1 on a fourth separate occasion, 12 years after she did it the first time. It is a span that is a record in women’s tennis.

“Her career longevity is actually the most impressive part about her career,” said Wilander.

“There was a time when we always said ‘she doesn’t play enough tennis and tennis is not the only thing on her mind… she should focus on the sport and do bla bla bla…’

“Turns out that we were all wrong and she’s right. So I think that’s probably the record that she should be the most proud over. Because everybody can win grand slams, but to hang in there and be the best player in the world 12 years later, that’s amazing.”

One of the topics heavily discussed this week in Singapore has been on-court coaching, with WTA founder and legend, Billie Jean King, urging the men’s tour to follow in the ladies’ footsteps by allowing the coaches to help their players during matches.

Wilander, who currently works for Eurosport as a commentator, says he vehemently disagrees with King’s suggestion.

“If they introduce in the men’s side I’m stopping covering tennis, seriously,” said the Swede.

“Because it’s not what tennis is. Tennis is an individual sport and that’s the difference. The difference is that we don’t have coaching on the court and the difference is that you have to do everything yourself and that’s part of the beauty of the sport I think.

“So no I think that’s first of all crazy and I think they would never allow it in the grand slams anyway. So I think the only bad thing about having coaches in the WTA is that they don’t allow it in the grand slams so then there’s such a major difference for the players. And I think we’ve seen that some players do better on the regular tour than they do in grand slams.

“But on the men’s side, no no no. If that happens, I stop. That would be the worst thing they could possibly do for men’s tennis.”

http://sport360.com/article/international/27966/mats-wilander-tips-simona-halep-dominate-wta
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Simona is 23. It is late for a "Djokovic-type" breakthrough. In women's tennis, it happens earlier before it happens later. I don't find a 6-3, 6-0 loss in the finals encouraging, considering Simona has yet to breakthrough in a grand slam singles event.

Mats Wilander was very generous. Too generous unfortunately.

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AngieB
 
Simona is 23. It is late for a "Djokovic-type" breakthrough. In women's tennis, it happens earlier before it happens later. I don't find a 6-3, 6-0 loss in the finals encouraging, considering Simona has yet to breakthrough in a grand slam singles event.

Mats Wilander was very generous. Too generous unfortunately.

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AngieB

Yeah, I don't know what Wilander is talking about with his Djokovic type breakthrough. Djokovic won his first slam at age 20 and was already beating the best players in big tournaments but Halep may have a career like Azarenka's if she can improve on some things. Azarenka won her first slam when she was 22 or 23?
 
I don't see Halep being No 1, personally.

Nice girl though.

Shame she didn't do what was needed to win last week, but let's put an end to that now. Well done Serena.
 
Hello forum warriors,

First, I'd like to congratulate you for making me subscribe here just to post this piece of text which will trigger your expert "thoughts and eventual unwanted replies". I couldn't help myself.

Now to the point: to all of you that think Simona was stupid, brainless or childish for not dumping the game against Ivanovic, a big **congratulations**!!! You strategists, you Napoleons, you Alexanders the Great of this world, you just positioned yourselves at the shallow end of the tennis pool, and sports in general.

While I understand your apex predator kind of thinking, the ruthlessness you rule your lives by, and the keen intelligence you obviously believe you have, I am glad that not all of us attained such a high level of enlightenment.

Here in Romania, contrary to your believes and contrary to your press, we still have a concept of sportsmanship, honor, ethics and respect.

Apparently, there are those of you that lack these skills. It looks like even in your "advanced" society, there are those that thrive in the sewers of human condition. After all, this is how empires are built, no?

It makes me happy and proud to see that a young girl had what you lack, the "huge balls" to say a big NO to such puny tactics, and see if she is able to beat the world's no. 1 again.

In my country, this calls for respect. And even if she lost, she did it on her own terms. She'll try again. And again. And again. And Serena respected her for that too. And millions of other people.

But you people know better... I'd never play tennis with you. You're a shame for this sport.

Cheers!
 
^well said.
If you want to be a contender and a multislam champion you can't avoid the No1 player because you think your going to get a beatdown in the final. If simona wants to dominate in the future thats how she has to think. Fear no one. A true chamions mentality. Fear is for the weak. Which is why 99% of the tour don't achieve much.
 
Williams and Halep are both born in the astrological sign of Libra, which represents justice and fairness.

I believe Wim, Halep's coach, did give her the big picture regarding who might go through to the semi-finals and I believe Halep was well aware of the consequences of the result of her match with Ivanovic.

She made the choice and kept her integrity intact, avoiding the cynical gamesmanship that would have been the logical option, which is for her to throw the match. Who are we to question her decision?
 
Hello forum warriors,

First, I'd like to congratulate you for making me subscribe here just to post this piece of text which will trigger your expert "thoughts and eventual unwanted replies". I couldn't help myself.

Now to the point: to all of you that think Simona was stupid, brainless or childish for not dumping the game against Ivanovic, a big **congratulations**!!! You strategists, you Napoleons, you Alexanders the Great of this world, you just positioned yourselves at the shallow end of the tennis pool, and sports in general.

While I understand your apex predator kind of thinking, the ruthlessness you rule your lives by, and the keen intelligence you obviously believe you have, I am glad that not all of us attained such a high level of enlightenment.

Here in Romania, contrary to your believes and contrary to your press, we still have a concept of sportsmanship, honor, ethics and respect.

Apparently, there are those of you that lack these skills. It looks like even in your "advanced" society, there are those that thrive in the sewers of human condition. After all, this is how empires are built, no?

It makes me happy and proud to see that a young girl had what you lack, the "huge balls" to say a big NO to such puny tactics, and see if she is able to beat the world's no. 1 again.

In my country, this calls for respect. And even if she lost, she did it on her own terms. She'll try again. And again. And again. And Serena respected her for that too. And millions of other people.

But you people know better... I'd never play tennis with you. You're a shame for this sport.

Cheers!

What an overreaction.

Where was the 'romanian sportsmanship' at the 1998 world cup when romania, having already qualified, all dyed their hair blonde and played like complete mugs against tunisia?

Suspect this is a non romanian sock account.
 
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I think that is part of the "European sophistication" Marius discussed. It's a package deal that goes with the dress. A lot of Soviet influence.

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AngieB
A what?? What exactly are you trying to say? That folks from so called former eastern block countries are influenced by Soviet fashion??
 
Just watched a replay of the Serena vs Caroline semi final match. I have never heard Mary Carillo sound so excited....in the third set when Caroline was up 5-4 and serving for the match. Mary just cant help her hate towards Serena....she gets so happy and excited when Serena is losing. lol
 
Personally, if I were Halep, with all great results (including on the financial side), which I'd be blind not to see and appreciate, I'd change coaches right now, as I honestly don't see any progress on the crucial technical and strategical side this year:

- STILL no slice

- STILL no volley, no occasional S-V

- not enough dropshots

- STILL no plan B to speak of (see Serena today, she applied her plan B throughout by coming to the net on each and every short ball)

- not enough coach on-court intervention to change course (perhaps Halep doesn't like that), including in today's match

just a good maintenance at a very good level, for which she should thank the current coach.

I had the same recommendation for Bouchard, even though her results aren't quite at the same level as Halep's.

Otherwise, she will continue to lack the variety of means to beat the best on a consistent basis, and will wear out her body, by her current insistance on staying parked at the baseline. She should change her style more toward's Henin's, than Clijsters'.

Am I too harsh? I don't think so. And I have had this recommendation for some time; as well, it's only confirmed by today's match.

There is a time for everything, and this is the best time for it, before putting in the hard work for the next season.

Suggestions? Paul Annacone, Stefan Edberg (even part time would help tremendously; and he might become available), Carlos Rodriguez (I know he has that academy in China, and he left even Li Na in the lurch because of it), even Justine Henin (if Mauresmo coaches, why not her? she has a tennis academy).

Now, Henin might not be available for touring as a coach for now:

Henin willing to look at coaching after having another child
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014...fter-having-another-child/51735/#.VE6bH6OQhPx

As I suggested in the above (not that that had any importance) and in many other instances (including in tweets to accounts belonging to Simona):

Romanian Halep splits with coach Fissette
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/romani...25858--ten.html;_ylt=AwrBT9S021tU31AAQrdXNyoA

She has declared she wants a Romanian coach. I haven't been contacted yet :-)

I wonder now if my Canadian-related advice will also find a willing audience soon.

I am available on both sides :-)
 
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