2015 - 2020 era

Djokodalerer31

Hall of Fame
Why not both?

Maybe...just MAYBE he is THAT good to win 10 out of 17 slams in this weak era
No era is ever weak! You can only beat the guy in front of you...its not your own fault everyone act as a punching bag for you these days...if Federer cult insist Djokovic's era is weak, then i insist his era is also weak ah with all those Blakes, Ferreros, Ferrers, Roddicks and Hewitts around...But its just a clapback! If Federer fans wouldn't do what they are doing by accusing Novak of winning everything in a supposedly "weak" era, i wouldn't have to clapback...but since Federer fanbase insist...
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
No era is ever weak! You can only beat the guy in front of you...its not your own fault everyone act as a punching bag for you these days...if Federer cult insist Djokovic's era is weak, then i insist his era is also weak ah with all thoise Blakes, Ferreros, Ferrers, Roddicks and Hewitts around...
No-one says it's Djokovic's fault, but you're wrong that Ferrero is weak competition. Ferrero is an ATG given his popularity as a humbly-priced chocolate.

Ferrer is a less Germanic version of Federer, which is why he is often referred to in some circles as Federer without the DE.
 

Djokodalerer31

Hall of Fame
No-one says it's Djokovic's fault, but you're wrong that Ferrero is weak competition. Ferrero is an ATG given his popularity as a humbly-priced chocolate.

Ferrer is a less Germanic version of Federer, which is why he is often referred to in some circles as Federer without the DE.
Oh so that was sarcasm then...i see...sometimes i keep forgetting i am at the TTW and not on youtube, where i have to explain to everyone what sarcasm means...
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
No-one says it's Djokovic's fault, but you're wrong that Ferrero is weak competition. Ferrero is an ATG given his popularity as a humbly-priced chocolate.

Ferrer is a less Germanic version of Federer, which is why he is often referred to in some circles as Federer without the DE.
But even then Ferrero was never Federer's rival during his alleged peak 2004-07. Dude was completely MIA after the 2003 season.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Yeah I know, but you can always put some spray for that butthurt.

I am actually quite enjoying it, considering that its digs itself in a hole as the time goes by. You don't know it, but this era will be talked left and right as the shining example of how bad things in tennis have become.

On the other hand, you seem unusually agitated by the prospect that someone calls it that, so the question is, what will you do when it is a common knowledge?

 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I learned yesterday on TT that Tsitsipas and Fritz of 2020 are more talented than Djokovic and Nadal of 2010, because the 2020 players have much better technique. Since the poster is a doctor and scientist, I'm gonna trust him. So this is probably the strongest era ever.
Doctor Demento???
 

6august

Hall of Fame
I want the field get weaker and Nole keep vulturing from it ^^

Why? Because 50 years later people won't give a f to those stuffs. All they remember is 1. Nole's Slam count 2. 40-15

:-D :-D :-D
 

6august

Hall of Fame
By the way, if NOle and Nadal need 26 to surpass Fedr, how many slams their successor need to surpass them? 32? Then 38? Then 44?....
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
I want the field get weaker and Nole keep vulturing from it ^^

Why? Because 50 years later people won't give a f to those stuffs. All they remember is 1. Nole's Slam count 2. 40-15

:-D :-D :-D
We know. The entire Djoke fanbase hopes are based on people being either ignorant or forgetting.

 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Actually this is more proof to weak era then the opposite.3 30+ year olds winning 18/21 slams is surely indicates something very weak.
But it's the winners of 56 slams (and counting) we're talking about. It's the equal of slams won by Sampras, Borg, Lendl, Connors, Agassi and McEnroe put together.

They're special and they can win at every age. They're not one dimensional players who can win only with one playstyle. Plus the age of players is higher at all levels these days. Here's a list of 42 players who recently reached their top50 best ranking in their 30s or late 20s:

 
But it's the winners of 56 slams (and counting) we're talking about. It's the equal of slams won by Sampras, Borg, Lendl, Connors, Agassi and McEnroe put together.

They're special and they can win at every age. Plus the age of players is higher at all levels these days. Here's a list of 42 players who receently reached their top50 best ranking in their late 30s or late 20s:

But this is implicit in the very problem we are discussing.
 

6august

Hall of Fame
We know. The entire Djoke fanbase hopes are based on people being either ignorant or forgetting.

Numbers, stats...: facts.

Weak, strong, aethestical, clumsy...: opinions.

History is the story of the victors. Ignorant, forgetting etc... don't exist.

:alien:
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Numbers, stats...: facts.

Weak, strong, aethestical, clumsy...: opinions.

History is the story of the victors. Ignorant, forgetting etc... don't exist.

:alien:
You must be living in the 18th century. Nowadays the information needed to make proper conclusions is widely available. Not everyone wants to be ignorant like yourself, and usually those that do are viewed as backwards by the society. Congrats on painting yourself in the corner. That certainly is not "victorious".

 
The truth about the era with no young ATGs hurts, doesn't it?

If someone told you in 2009 that Djokovic is going to be ATG, you would've laughed. If someone told you he's going to win 17 slams, you'd think they're mental, even in 2011. Only from the point of view of today, you know that Djokovic is ATG.

Thiem can end up his career with multiple slams. I mean guy would've had a couple already if not for best clay-courter in history. He eliminated Novak from RG twice and took him to 5 sets in Novak's best slam. No one knows with how many slams will Tsitsipas, Felix, Medvedev etc end up. All that we can say for certain is that "lost" gen failed to produce a player of big 3's caliber. But that would be a tough ask for any period in tennis history.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
Competition:
A 34-39 year old Federer
Nadal who is a sitting duck for him outside of clay
Wawrinka
Broken Hippay
No multiple Slam champions younger than him
Next Gen
Wow that is bad

and people have the audacity to call Roddick, Hewitt, Davydenko, Blake, Nalbandian, Peak Nadal bad competition (all guys in their mid 20s apart from the prodigy nadal)
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
Let me see if I'm correct. We have three of the greatest ever winning 18/21 slams and it is the weakest era? :unsure: .. yeah right :rolleyes::-D
My friend you're arguing with the people who in case of their idol winning the 2020 Wimbledon, will forget about the weak era in the same very second.
The same people who've enjoyed the 2017 and the first part of 2018 very much and didn't complain a zlich about "the bad state in tennis". The hypocrisy is strong with the Meastronian cult.
Let's them have their butthurt. It's very amusing i have to say. :D
 
My friend you're arguing with the people who in case of their idol winning the 2020 Wimbledon, will forget about the weak era in the same very second.
The same people who've enjoyed the 2017 and the first part of 2018 very much and didn't complain a zlich about "the bad state in tennis". The hypocrisy is strong with the Meastronian cult.
Let's them have their butthurt. It's very amusing i have to say. :D
Most Fed fans were happy to call that period weak.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
If someone told you in 2009 that Djokovic is going to be ATG, you would've laughed. If someone told you he's going to win 17 slams, you'd think they're mental, even in 2011. Only from the point of view of today, you know that Djokovic is ATG.

Thiem can end up his career with multiple slams. I mean guy would've had a couple already if not for best clay-courter in history. He eliminated Novak from RG twice and took him to 5 sets in Novak's best slam. No one knows with how many slams will Tsitsipas, Felix, Medvedev etc end up. All that we can say for certain is that "lost" gen failed to produce a player of big 3's caliber. But that would be a tough ask for any period in tennis history.
That doesn't make sense. Federer wasn't an ATG level competition in 2000. No one who understands tennis thinks that. That is not about not having showed potential. That is about actually fulfilling that potential, when having the chance of doing so. Even Djokovic's own fans don't think the Djokovic was an ATG competition in 2009. If you do, you are one of the few (and that is after he has already won a Major title, which the current gen has not).

 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
My friend you're arguing with the people who in case of their idol winning the 2020 Wimbledon, will forget about the weak era in the same very second.
The same people who've enjoyed the 2017 and the first part of 2018 very much and didn't complain a zlich about "the bad state in tennis". The hypocrisy is strong with the Meastronian cult.
Let's them have their butthurt. It's very amusing i have to say. :D
Your observation skills are lacking. Unsurprisingly.

Or maybe your honesty of actually saying what you observed.

 

Druss

Hall of Fame
Slam finals won against non-top5:

Federer 12
Nadal 5
Djokovic 3
Hey Lew, could you re-post, but this time including all those that were top 5 at some stage in their careers. E.g. Federer at AO'17, was ranked 17, yes?... but we all know he played at a much higher level than that.

Edit: Ivanisevic won Wimby 2001 unseeded. Do we really believe that he played that tournament as though he was ranked 100+? Or he actually played at a top 5 level?
 

Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
If someone told you in 2009 that Djokovic is going to be ATG, you would've laughed. If someone told you he's going to win 17 slams, you'd think they're mental, even in 2011. Only from the point of view of today, you know that Djokovic is ATG.

Thiem can end up his career with multiple slams. I mean guy would've had a couple already if not for best clay-courter in history. He eliminated Novak from RG twice and took him to 5 sets in Novak's best slam. No one knows with how many slams will Tsitsipas, Felix, Medvedev etc end up. All that we can say for certain is that "lost" gen failed to produce a player of big 3's caliber. But that would be a tough ask for any period in tennis history.
Nice perspective on the discussion.

Thiem is a particularly interesting case in point, given that he may well go on to win 5 RG titles playing at the same level he did against Nadal in that 2019 final.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
That doesn't make sense. Federer wasn't an ATG level competition in 2000. No one who understands tennis thinks that. That is not about not having showed potential. That is about actually fulfilling that potential, when having the chance of doing so. Even Djokovic's own fans don't think the Djokovic was an ATG competition in 2009. If you do, you are one of the few (and that is after he has already won a Major title, which the current gen has not).

That is a fallacy of bad analogy. Mr. Federer had reached 0 Slam finals in 2000. Mr. Thiem has already reached 3 Slam finals. 2019 Thiem has proven more than 2000 Federer.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Hey Lew, could you re-post, but this time including all those that were top 5 at some stage in their careers. E.g. Federer at AO'17, was ranked 17, yes?... but we all know he played at a much higher level than that.

Edit: Ivanisevic won Wimby 2001 unseeded. Do we really believe that he played that tournament as though he was ranked 100+? Or he actually played at a top 5 level?
Federer 2 (Philippoussis, Baghdatis)
Nadal 1 (Puerta)
Djokovic 0
 

Biotic

Professional
Djokovic didn't play like an ATG untill 2011. He had occasional flashes of brilliance, but was mostly viewed as a one slam wonder. And he wasn't really an ATG until 2013, after he won his 6th slam at the age of 25/26, right? In fact, untill 2015, he was derogated for having only one multiple slam season.

So, I'd say Tsitsipas/Medvedev/Shapovalov etc still have time to prove their worth.
 
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