2015 ATP WTF RR: Djokovic (1) vs. Nishikori (8)

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tennis_pro said:
Don't give credit to someone who just doesn't miss. Because it's boring.
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Why? Whether I like Novak's style of tennis or not has nothing to do with commenting positively on his consistency. I watch some of these other top ten players and I want to vomit. Shouldn't top ten players by definition be consistent? But with this crop of top ten players consistency is nowhere to be found (outside of Federer who is old in tennis years.)
 
cc0509 said:
I don't think Djokovic will "destroy'" Federer but it's hard to see how Djokovic will lose this tournament. It's Djokovic's tournament to lose IMO. He's at the peak of his powers and it's his time like it or not.
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I agree. It's definitely his tournament to lose, and the other players believe it, too, which makes it all the harder for them.
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
I am sure he is not the first player who found himself in not-missing-anything mode.
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The difference between Djokovic not missing and Federer not missing is that Federer in such mode blasts winners past you left and right. Djokovic just keeps waiting for errors like he always does. Apart from maybe one match (2013 AO vs Ferrer) I haven't seen one single match from Djokovic that made my jaw drop. It's the same old boring noodles every single freaking time.
 
tennis_pro said:
The difference between Djokovic not missing and Federer not missing is that Federer in such mode blasts winners past you left and right. Djokovic just keeps waiting for errors like he always does. Apart from maybe one match (2013 AO vs Ferrer) I haven't seen one single match from Djokovic that made my jaw drop. It's the same old boring noodles every single freaking time.
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Yet Djokovic still has more winners than his opponent in 80% of the matches he plays. Just waiting for errors cannot get you in this position.
You can always switch the channel if he is not making your jaw drop.
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
Yet Djokovic still has more winners than his opponent in 80% of the matches he plays. Just waiting for errors cannot get you in this position.
You can always switch the channel if he is not making your jaw drop.
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80 %? I agree that he hits a lot more winners than tennis.pro give him credit for, but I doubt he's leading the stats in 80 % of his matches. What are you basing it on?
Just last week, Murray hit twice as many winners as Djoko in Paris. And that's Murray :eek:(you know, the guy commonly referred to as a 'pusher' by 'knowledgable posters on these boards :D:eek:)).
Didn't see the stats, but I would imagine Berdych hit more winners as well.
 
tennis_pro said:
The difference between Djokovic not missing and Federer not missing is that Federer in such mode blasts winners past you left and right. Djokovic just keeps waiting for errors like he always does. Apart from maybe one match (2013 AO vs Ferrer) I haven't seen one single match from Djokovic that made my jaw drop. It's the same old boring noodles every single freaking time.
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Yawn. Keep crying. No one is stopping you.
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
Yet Djokovic still has more winners than his opponent in 80% of the matches he plays. Just waiting for errors cannot get you in this position.
You can always switch the channel if he is not making your jaw drop.
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And you can always STOP RESPONDING TO EVERY POST THAT I WRITE just because you don't like my point of view. I don't like Djokovic and I'm gonna comment about his boring game, like it or not, stalker. If my posting hurts your feelins so much, add me to ignore. Stop torturing yourself.
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
They will not disappoint in any encounter.
Good luck ruining the 4-0 WTF final record. ;)
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I fear the US Open-final killed some of Fed's confidence in this match-up. He had him on the ropes and imo as a bare minimum should have won two of the last three sets.
Hope he still believes in best of 3 though
 
tennis_pro said:
The difference between Djokovic not missing and Federer not missing is that Federer in such mode blasts winners past you left and right. Djokovic just keeps waiting for errors like he always does. Apart from maybe one match (2013 AO vs Ferrer) I haven't seen one single match from Djokovic that made my jaw drop. It's the same old boring noodles every single freaking time.
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That's true but what difference does it make? The bottom line is Djokovic is in another league compared to these other top ten players at the moment. The only guy who may be able to trouble him at this tournament is Federer. Forget about the rest. It's wishful thinking.
 
Chanwan said:
I fear the US Open-final killed some of Fed's confidence in this match-up. He had him on the ropes and imo as a bare minimum should have won two of the last three sets.
Hope he still believes in best of 3 though
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I think Federer still believes in best of three vs Djokovic but I think unless Federer comes out in perfect God-mode it will be hard to beat Djokovic here.
 
tennis_pro said:
And you can always STOP RESPONDING TO EVERY POST THAT I WRITE just because you don't like my point of view. I don't like Djokovic and I'm gonna comment about his boring game, like it or not, stalker.
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I am just giving you good advice. There is better stuff to do than whimpering on every Djokovic article and saying literally the same thing over and over again. If not, you are a hopeless case. And what you are doing is not even stating a point of view.
Stalker? LOL!
 
cc0509 said:
That's true but what difference does it make? The bottom line is Djokovic is in another league compared to these other top ten players at the moment. The only guy who may be able to trouble him at this tournament is Federer. Forget about the rest. It's wishful thinking.
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The top 10 is in a sad state. Forget about Djokovic. He is beatable. It's just that everyone sucks at the moment, Murray has developed a mental block and Federer is 34 years old.
 
Chanwan said:
80 %? I agree that he hits a lot more winners than tennis.pro give him credit for, but I doubt he's leading the stats in 80 % of his matches. What are you basing it on?
Just last week, Murray hit twice as many winners as Djoko in Paris. And that's Murray :eek:(you know, the guy commonly referred to as a 'pusher' by 'knowledgable posters on these boards :D:eek:)).
Didn't see the stats, but I would imagine Berdych hit more winners as well.
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I know Murray hit more winners. But that is not over 20%. :D
I am basing it on watching his matches at a regular basis. I believe only Federer manages to have more winners than him more times than not. But I also take forced errors into count. Though Djokovic does not hit 40+ winners in every match, but his depth makes his opponents chase shadows anyway.
 
tennis_pro said:
The top 10 is in a sad state. Forget about Djokovic. He is beatable. It's just that everyone sucks at the moment, Murray has developed a mental block and Federer is 34 years old.
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So what can be done about it? You either need to have a guy like Nadal come back from the dead to compete with Novak again or a young gun to rise. Until then, get used to Djokovic winning everything.
 
tennis_pro said:
Summoning guys like you and getting on your nerves is great fun also because you fall for it every time.

"what I'm doing is not even stanting a point of view"? What is it, then? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not valid, stalker. Get off my back already.
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You are far away from getting on my nerves. The only one getting on anybody's nerves is Djokovic on yours.
And if summoning others is your only purpose on the forum, you have a big big problem in that head of yours.
 
cc0509 said:
So what can be done about it? You either need to have a guy like Nadal come back from the dead to compete with Novak again or a young gun to rise. Until then, get used to Djokovic winning everything.
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We don't need a young gun, Djokovic will be 29 years old next year. I don't care how much you take care of your body, he won't keep this up for long. If he does, that means he's on something and I'm not joking. Federer has always done a brilliant scheduling job, taking care of his body like no other and still he played horribly after the 2010 AO.
 
tennis_pro said:
Stalker and liar.
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tennis_pro said:
Yeah yeah yeah, whatever. You don't care about my posts yet you keep replying to me. I called your bluff. Normal people ignore others if they don't care about their them.
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Keep hating it will be pointed out as long as you keep doing it.
Normal people don't watch every match of a player they find boring.
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
I know Murray hit more winners. But that is not over 20%. :D
I am basing it on watching his matches at a regular basis. I believe only Federer manages to have more winners than him more times than not. But I also take forced errors into count. Though Djokovic does not hit 40+ winners in every match, but his depth makes his opponents chase shadows anyway.
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If I'm right with the Berdych match too, it's max. 60 % of the time in Paris. And frankly, I wouldn't be shocked if Stan and even Simon had more winners as well - then we're down to 20 % in Paris :D:eek:

Anyway, tennis stats are horrible. Forced stats should be counted and W/UE should be in old match stats as well (you can most often only see them right after the match or in slam matches, btw: Novak-Stan, FO: 30-60 ;)).

Also, you need to factor in that quite often Novak's winning close to 60 % or so of the points. How high a percentage of his points are won by winners vs. that of his opponents is a relevant factor too if we're looking at 'how many winners'. But in the end that's not that relevant to winning a tennis match.

Overall, I'll say this:
a) Novak's hits more winners than some give him credit for
b) Novak forces a lot of errors with his depth and width
c) Novak "forces" a lot of unforced errors with his impenetrable defense and suffocating baseline game. In other words, the opponent is forced to go for winners on difficult shots as trading shots from the baseline ain't gonna cut it.

p.s. would you happen to have the W/UE on the recent Isner-beating? I imagine the winners would be a lot closer than the scoreline, but Djoko probably still hit the most in that specific match.
 
Chanwan said:
c) Novak "forces" a lot of unforced errors with his impenetrable defense and suffocating baseline game. In other words, the opponent is forced to go for winners on difficult shots as trading shots from the baseline ain't gonna cut it.
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That c) part is ONLY true on Djokovic BH. That side is impenetrable. Nadal 2013 knows it, and punished Djokovic badly with the FH DTL to Djokovic FH. But NO PLAYER past that has had brains enough to understand that going to Djokovic BH is absolute NO-GO. Weak stuff.
 
Chanwan said:
If I'm right with the Berdych match too, it's max. 60 % of the time in Paris. And frankly, I wouldn't be shocked if Stan and even Simon had more winners as well - then we're down to 20 % in Paris :D:eek:

Anyway, tennis stats are horrible. Forced stats should be counted and W/UE should be in old match stats as well (you can most often only see them right after the match or in slam matches, btw: Novak-Stan, FO: 30-60 ;)).

Also, you need to factor in that quite often Novak's winning close to 60 % or so of the points. How high a percentage of his points are won by winners vs. that of his opponents is a relevant factor too if we're looking at 'how many winners'. But in the end that's not that relevant to winning a tennis match.

Overall, I'll say this:
a) Novak's hits more winners than some give him credit for
b) Novak forces a lot of errors with his depth and width
c) Novak "forces" a lot of unforced errors with his impenetrable defense and suffocating baseline game. In other words, the opponent is forced to go for winners on difficult shots as trading shots from the baseline ain't gonna cut it.

p.s. would you happen to have the W/UE on the recent Isner-beating? I imagine the winners would be a lot closer than the scoreline, but Djoko probably still hit the most in that specific match.
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Yeah Stan was a beast in that match. :eek:
Stats are not too great. Forced errors are rarely shown, while it is not always easy to determine whether an error was forced or not.
I will try to find those stats vs Isner. I remember he won only 50% of points on his 1st serve.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Djoko will get that h2h lead with fed come Tuesday night :D
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Says a lot about the h2h that peak Djokovc had to face a 30 something year old Awlderer a million times before finally getting in the lead.

If they were the same age Djokovic would MAYBE get a win once every three matches and I'm being generous here. 13-6 at the end of 2010 before Federer turned 30.
 
tennis_pro said:
I'm taking good care of you, you don't wanna have a heart attack when the day comes.
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I have watched my fav before 2011 and am aware that decline strikes everyone so no need to take care of me.
Judging by most of your comments, nobody seems to be taking care of you and controlling your mad outbursts though.
 
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