torpantennis
Legend
Pretty damn weak of him to need SIX full years 2010-2015 of age advantaged years to have even a chance of getting the lead on H2H. Lame effort LOLDjoko will get that h2h lead with fed come Tuesday night
2015 ATP WTF RR: Djokovic (1) vs. Nishikori (8)
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tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Are you admitting though he will get the lead after next match?
Federer is 34 years old, I'm not expecing anything from him now. But to prance about the h2h thanks to a gazillion matches when peak Djokovic faced a years in decline Federer is just pathetic, especially considering that Federer only had the privilege of having an age advantage for like 5 or 6 matches before 2008.
torpantennis
Legend
Will you admit that Roddick owns Djokovic?Are you admitting though he will get the lead after next match?
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
You are, that's why you keep replying to me all the time.
torpantennis
Legend
Indeed. Top 10 player at the absolute physical peak age, and playing like that.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
You replied to me out of nowhere many times.
Again, you are not under guard since people are not taking good care and allowing you to go here and talk crap. I was expecting better...
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
What 5-4! Then Roddick retired to prevent Djoko levelling it. By 2011 Nole won last couple meetings easy. Anyway he's retired so it's irrelevant now
duaneeo
G.O.A.T.
Instead of showing up to play half-*ssed tennis, I wish these injured players would simply not play at all (though Gasquet wouldn't have made much of a difference against Nole).
CYGS
Legend
5-4 is close, but 23-11 is owning. Now, GTFO.
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
I hope it is a Djoker-Wawa final. For that to happen, Wawa has to top the other group to avoid meeting Djoker in the semi. I hope these two don't end up playing the real final at the semifinal stage.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
You are certain Djokovic will defeat Federer and top the group?
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
Oh my f***ing God! The match is already over! 
No word of a lie, I honestly just tried to watch it and it's already over! It started at 4:00pm, right? It's 5:15 right now. That match could not have lasted up to an hour.
What the f***, Nishikori?
No word of a lie, I honestly just tried to watch it and it's already over! It started at 4:00pm, right? It's 5:15 right now. That match could not have lasted up to an hour.
What the f***, Nishikori?
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Not djoko's fault fed picks when to play him. Plus the only places fed has been able to beat Djoko past few years is cincy and Dubai, Shanghai too but everywhere else Nole has owned him.
21-21, 8-6 ahead in slams. 2-1 ahead in world tours. He already ahead in way but wants to confirm this week
Maybe fed regrets not getting ahead enough of Djoko to gave Nole the chance to fight back and turn it around.
Plus age isn't everything. Don't hide behind it, as he had no trouble with the young guns or Murray, berd lately. Just Djoko is too good for him and everyone else now
torpantennis
Legend
Neutral years on Federer-Nadal are 2005-2010, there both have three years at their peaks. Neutral years on Federer-Djokovic are 2007-2011, there both have one year at their peaks. Federer owns Djokovic, Federer-Nadal is close. Now develop some brain capacity or GTFO.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Exactly even all the players Djoko does have losing h2h, active ones 3-1 Ivo and 22-23 Nadal. Then like Roddick 5-4 and safin 2-0. He has kept all close and leads virtually everyone else. Where as fed has that 23-11 blot on his copy book haha
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
Well, I think so seeing as how Djoker is still in such good form. But yeah, with Federer, you never know. He might just come out all guns blazing and beat Novak. I am just talking of the most likely outcome.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
CYGS
Legend
The difference is I don't cherry pick data to prove my point. 23-11 is embarrassing however you want to twist it.
torpantennis
Legend
Super slow court, the result is predetermined by ATP.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
torpantennis
Legend
So you claim Federer, who BTW owned Djokovic on neutral years, was not declining in 2010 when he lost to Berdych and such?
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
What the hell are you on? Federer and Nadal has never been a close rivalry. Rafa owns fed. Nadal or federer have never owned Djoko, ever!
Plus name me a player currently younger than Djoko who has a winning h2h over him? Answer is 0, whereas fed has a few. I know what you will say (weak era) but you go on about age, well it applies to Novak too and he doesn't have 1 player younger than him who leads the H2h against him. That is pretty incredible.
user
Professional
Federer-Nadal 2005-2010 H2H: 8-13
Djokovic-Federer 2007-2011 H2H: 10-12
Federer - Nadal close, Federer owns Djokovic?
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
H2H is "irrelevant" now as well. Just remember your words of "wisdom" (heavy quotations) when Fed retires. Since you're so obsessed with H2H, please reel off the top of your head the H2H's between:
Laver-Rosewall
Becker-Edberg
Connors-Lendl
Wilander-Becker
etc. etc. etc.... Since H2H is so important, these numbers should be on the tip of your tongue.
torpantennis
Legend
Federer-Nadal is skewed with most matches on clay during those shared peak years. Take that into account and it's close. Federer used to always toy around with Djokovic, and win the big matches easily. I'll admit though, Nole had great year in 2011 and neutralized the h2h great there.
However you go around it, slam counts and weeks #1 combined don't lie. Age skews h2h and the career achievement comparisons further prove that.
torpantennis
Legend
Djokovic is still (at the end of) prime, so younger players are not able to take advantage of his decline. But things will change soon and abruptly, ever since Djokovic decline starts.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
You replied to me out of nowhere many times.
Again, you are not under guard since people are not taking good care and allowing you to go here and talk crap. I was expecting better...
What a joke, I never replied to you. If I did it was tremendously less than you did.You replied to me out of nowhere many times.
Again, you are not under guard since people are not taking good care and allowing you to go here and talk crap. I was expecting better...
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Federer-Nadal (2005-2010): 8-13 - "close"
Federer-Djokovic (2007-2011): 12-10 - "owns"
Now develop some brain capacity or GTFO
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
So,you dislike how Nole plays but can't stop watching him and commenting on it.
Ok, got that.
CYGS
Legend
Don't make up "phrases" that don't exist. Don't cherry pick your data. Don't f*cking live in your biased world. Don't be a sore loser.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
I bet you are praying for djoko's decline to start. This Djoko domination is frustrating you big time like haha
I pretty sure when fed was 28, Murray had a winning h2h over him, yet now fed has improved his h2h over Murray in his 30s. Age isn't everything. Even fed says in terms of technique he plays better today then years ago. Yes he lost his speed and stamina a bit true. However, fed has been pretty good last couple of years and hasn't been easy for players to beat him. Plus he could be sitting on 20 slams right now if it weren't for novaks brilliance in those 3 slam finals.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Since 2011 Nole has dominated Federer pretty comfortably and their h2h in the last five years is 14-8 in Nole's favor.
Federer kept the h2h for a while because of the wins when Nole had not yet reached his peak
In any case h2h is a useless stat
torpantennis
Legend
Ways how three straight 2007-2009 USO SFs unravelled doesn't lie.Federer-Nadal (2005-2010): 8-13 - "close"
Federer-Djokovic (2007-2011): 12-10 - "owns"
Now develop some brain capacity or GTFO
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
You dont have to like someone to watch him,is that so hard to understand?
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
To watch him, over and over and over, and comment on his matches and not like him?
Got it.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Theyve played more than 50% of their matches in 2011-2015 when djoko had the age advantage and Federer still hasnt trailed him, so WTF ale you talking about, fanboy?
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
You mean three close wins by Peak Fed over Pre-Peak Djokovic?
torpantennis
Legend
Of course a multiple slam winner in his absolute peak age is winning most matches against older declined great. What else to expect?
Federer had only two years in his peak against Nole, and much less matches. Still, the h2h is even. Why? Because 17/302 >> 10/172.
CYGS
Legend
Changing topics. Glad you understand your argument is full of ****.
torpantennis
Legend
Only 2007 is peak Fed. Those 2008-2009 are actually prime against prime for Fed/Djo. Sure, Fed might have had a slight age advantage still there, but similarly Djok had an advantage ever since 2010.
And it's not just the results in those USOs. Have you forgotten how the winner was toying around with the other player?
CYGS
Legend
That's not your original argument. And stop twisting facts here and there. 23-11 is owning, 21-21 / 5-4 is close, and you're annoying.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Hahaha, Djokovic was 5-7 against Federer from 2007-2009 (when Fed still had a firm age advantage) but whatever fits your narrative
Also love how Fed is entitled to be trailing Nadal because of matches played on clay, but Djokovic playing Fed on Fast HC (according to some Djokovic's worst surface and Fed's favorite after grass) is not a factor
user
Professional
No matter how you put it, Nadal has always owned Federer, he even beat him on HC back in 2004, he was 17 I think. I'm sure Djokovic won some big matches prior to 2011, not just after that.
Some say that slam count and weeks at #1 are susceptible to the "weak era" argument.
Age doesn't skew H2H, not always, Federer - Murray is the best proof there is. And why don't we talk about Djokovic's age, he's 28.5, isn't he? I'm positive that's old and way past his prime by Federer's standards.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
When Djokovic beat Federer at Basel in 2009 when Rogie had just turned 28 there were already cries of "Grandfatherer" and the like
But 28.5 Novak is Peak Djokovic, obviously
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic beats #8 Nishikori 6-1 6-1 in 2015 YEC RR: Weak Era
Federer beats #7 Gaudio 6-0 6-0 in 2005 YEC SF: Strong Era
CYGS
Legend
Hypocrite Fed fans are hypocrite.
3fees
G.O.A.T.
Yesterdays news is not indicative of todays events without factoring in several variables, its called handicapping which few here can do.
Congrats to Djokovic in his GOAT performance, his opponents have one defense, they dont play him, Nishikori did not play bad,playing any of the other players the score line would have been different, in the net result Djokovic played much better and has made a mission to beat anyone he plays on any surface.
Cheers
3Fees
Congrats to Djokovic in his GOAT performance, his opponents have one defense, they dont play him, Nishikori did not play bad,playing any of the other players the score line would have been different, in the net result Djokovic played much better and has made a mission to beat anyone he plays on any surface.
Cheers
3Fees
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