Meles
Bionic Poster
Wrong. Nishi is out in all scenarios with this loss. Please get your facts straight.
2015 ATP WTF RR: Nishikori (8) vs. Federer (3)
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
That is not cheating actually, that's good strategizing. The only thing that could be considered cheating is losing a match or a set on purpose in order to manipulate outcome of RR.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Its very confusing the system, tennis is normally very straightforwardI'm into this tournament fully because I know that once it's done I won't be coming here very often until the 2016 season starts
Boring times ahead without tennis! Luckily I'm into wintersports so I glide over to that when tennis is off.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
I don't think Berdman has any incentive to beat Novak since he isn't going through himself. Novak should handle him easily. The second set will be 6-1.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
So let's get this straight. Novak losing a match was not on purpose or a manipulation of RR since you are his fan. But Fed losing is, since you don't like him.
Does all your logic and conclusion/s stem from whom you are a fan of ?
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
it can't happen I'm pretty sure. Both are guaranteed to be no. 1 in their groups regardless of what happens.
she's intolerable alright.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm into this tournament fully because I know that once it's done I won't be coming here very often until the 2016 season starts
No offence to anyone but I don't find it very complicated. In 2 way ties H2H is used and in 3 way ties it's set% 1st and then game%. It's not hard.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Its very confusing the system, tennis is normally very straightforward
Boring times ahead without tennis! Luckily I'm into wintersports so I glide over to that when tennis is off.
It's so fun at the same time. I don't know how long you've been following tennis but there have been some trolling actions before at the WTF, in 2009 and 2011 for example (2009 in particular).
Dark Magician
Professional
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Edit: Oh wait, H2H is considered first. Nadal is the topper.
Edit: Oh wait, H2H is considered first. Nadal is the topper.
Berdeych loves Rafa.
Meles
Bionic Poster
This is actually correct! Djoko cannot win group nor could he under any scenario today. So Djoko v Nadal is guaranteed semi unless Berdy wins in 2 today and then he takes Nole's place. Murray and Wawa play tomorrow to see who will play Fed. Wawa is the real wildcard and it will be interesting to see how he does against Murray.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
It can be confusing because if I remember correctly a couple of years ago because if there was a two-player-tie a better set ratio got you through to the SF, not the H2H record.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
please elaborate on exactly what's the precedent was.
A tank job like today?
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Can Berdych really take Nole's place by beating him ?
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Oh my gosh vero. I logged on and am getting a real chuckle from your posts today! It looks like you are having another meltdown during this WTF as you did during the WTF last year. Calm down, your pets Djokovic and Nadal are still in the running, what's the problem? God help us all if Federer somehow manages to win this thing and we are subjected to more of your gibberish. You might need a padded cell if that happens.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Dude, Ferrer is out. Wawrinka-Murray is a straight shoot-out. Whoever wins goes through from 2nd place. Nothing less nothing more.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes. That was a bit confusing. I think that was 2009, IIRC.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Berdy wins in 2 and he is in.
Fedalforever
Semi-Pro
Haha pretty sure it'll be a quick affair no matter who wins. Someone will throw in the towel after the first set...whoever loses it.
Dark Magician
Professional
Ya Ferrer is out. I forgot the H2H rule. If set%, then games won% were followed, then there was a minute chance for Rafa to come 2nd in his group.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
She's at it again Chanwan. It's like a repeat of last year. I thought nothing could top her comments from the WTF last year but yet I log on today to find these vero gems!
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I don't remember the details except that Fed lost a set in an odd way and it stopped Murray from qualifying.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
I grew up w tennis as I have players in my family. So basically for as long as I can remember. Some of my first memories as a kid was watching tennis. I played too but got an injury when I was very young and couldn't compete anymore from I was 18. When I grew up we normally cheered for the underdog
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DRII
G.O.A.T.
she is a Nole fan girl now, so...
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Not sure about that. The winner is straight through without any complications at all so I can't see one of them "giving up" unless Murray really does set his sights on DC, but somehow I doubt that.
Meles
Bionic Poster
That is what published scenarios state. And I've posted them back in the thread several times. Berdy must win in 2 sets, otherwise Nole is in. Perversely, if Nishikori had beat Fed, Berdy would be out, however a Berdy victory in 2 or 3 sets would have elmininated Nole. Fed tanking this would have given Berdy a better shot of eliminating Nole, but perhaps less motivation since Berdy would have been eliminated from semis by the Nishi win.
AustinTx24
Hall of Fame
What does IIRC mean?
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
year? player? odd way? like today, when Nishi suddenly hit the zone?
if I remember correctly.
@tennis_pro please elaborate on the trolling actions of 2009, Vero seems to think Fed trolled Murray. I don't recall and don't trust her (who can't remember the details) that much on it.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
If I remember correctly.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
It would be great if Berdych trolls. But that can happen when pigs fly
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Novak losing the match vs Fed doesn't "gain" him anything. It would also have been Novak's best interest not to meet Rafa in semi (the most in form player in the other group) and it woud have been better for him to not have to care about last match of RR (not even mentioning the overall h to h issue vs Fed).
So, the reason why the Novak loss shouldn't be suspected of being a tank is that he gains absolutely nothing from it. (Quite the opposite. He is now at risk of not qualifying at all)
AustinTx24
Hall of Fame
Oh ok thank you sir.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
I grew up w tennis as I have players in my family. So basically for as long as I can remember. Some of my first memories as a kid was watching tennis. I played too but got an injury when I was very young and couldn't compete anymore from I was 18. Its in my blood. Lol. I lived in Wimbledon because of tennis. Though here where I live now its not that much tennis and distances so far..
Ye, that's quite a roller coaster ride. Btw It's also cool to see someone who didn't just start watching tennis this year (and is rooting for Djokovic) because of Djokovic's domination.
Btw I'm not sure if you followed tennis closely at the time but this is what happened at the WTF in 2009. There was so much confusion at the end of the Federer-Del Potro match because nobody knew who would qualify and who would be packing their bags. You had to literally sit with a calculator to be sure who goes through, that's how close it was. We were counting every game in the 3rd set of the Fed-Del Po match. Good times. Still brings a smile to my face when I think about how Murray was trolled out of the tournament
At least he didn't have to drive far to get back home 
Sartorius
Hall of Fame
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
she's still got some way to go, but I wouldn't bet against her to top it this year.She's at it again Chanwan. It's like a repeat of last year. I thought nothing could top her comments from the WTF last year but yet I log on today to find these vero gems!
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
That epic miss from federer in the 9th game during the second set
Just lolz
Just lolz
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
2009 - I think when Fed knew he had already qualified when he won enough set/games in match 3, decided to lose the match and allow Delpo to get ahead of Murray since all were 2-1.
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TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Honestly, when I grew up we were never that into wtf. Its the tournament we didn't follow that closely. Though Ive been to the venue some times.Ye, that's quite a roller coaster ride. Btw It's also cool to see someone who didn't just start watching tennis this year (and is rooting for Djokovic) because of Djokovic's domination.
Btw I'm not sure if you followed tennis closely at the time but this is what happened at the WTF in 2009. There was so much confusion at the end of the Federer-Del Potro match because nobody knew who would qualify and who would be packing their bags. Good times. Still brings a smile to my face when I think about how Murray was trolled out of the tournament
Wonder what would have happened if Delpo and Andy had the exact same Game W L!
RF20Lennon
Legend
Federer tanks every match he loses. FACT. He cannot be beaten if he tries.
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
I think I have an idea on what the 'm' from veroniquem stands for. Here's a hint: it rhymes with "boron".she's still got some way to go, but I wouldn't bet against her to top it this year.
Fedalforever
Semi-Pro
He is not in. Nishi would be in. Berd is out even if he wins 6-0 6-0 (lol)
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
So, who tanked the match this time?
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Lucky you! I'm in a crappy position cause each time there's a tournament I'd like to see it's either too far away or I have exams at the same time. The closest (and cheapest) is Halle, I really have to go there one day, especially if Fed's there.
Yeah, I'm just wondering now. This is what wiki says:
5) Steering Committee decision.
Wonder what the criteria they would've used? "Murray is a Brit so we're taking him! Sorry Del Po!"
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
@tennis_pro
you should go to Halle next year, who knows how many more years he's playing. Don't miss him!
Murray killed himself in 2008 beating Fed despite himself being through. Perhaps Fed felt cruel a year later..... Don't recall the Delpo match well enough to determine or not whether Fed gave it his best.
AustinTx24
Hall of Fame
That would be Roger Federer. He tanked now in order to avoid Nadal in the semi. Did I get that right?
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
IIRC , all the 2009 group matches in Fed/Delpo/Verdasco/Murray were 3 setters. So games won-lost came into picture.
Fed had 2 blow out sets against Murray which helped
Fed had 2 blow out sets against Murray which helped
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
she's still got some way to go, but I wouldn't bet against her to top it this year.
Don't worry, if Roger or Stan wins this WTF, she'll find a way to top it.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
It was 2009. I think H2H was still used. Fed, Murray and Delpo all finished with 2-1 records and 1-1 against each other. In that case it came down to set% but as far as I can tell they all finished 5/9 in sets (all 3 setters in every RR match). So then it came down to game% and Murray was eliminated by the slimmest of margins.
Federer won a 2nd set TB against Delpo in his final RR match 7 points to 5 to basically qualify since the worst set loss of the week was Federer breadsticking Murray which killed his game% statistic.
So Federer didn't lose a set on purpose as vero says
. He had to win it to qualify and then even if he got bageled by Delpo in the decider he beat Murray for game%. Delpo needed to beat Fed to qualify, and since Federer was qualified he could lose a set and still qualify. In the process he eliminated Murray, but to say he was thinking that way is pretty ludicrous tbh.
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
That is not true. If Berd beats Djoko in straights, Berd is in (dixit Pagoo)
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