2015 ATP WTF RR: Wawrinka (4) vs. Nadal (5)

Who wins?

  • Wawa in 2

    Votes: 16 19.8%
  • Wawa in 3

    Votes: 26 32.1%
  • Nadal in 3

    Votes: 24 29.6%
  • Nadal in 2

    Votes: 15 18.5%

  • Total voters
    81
  • Poll closed .

Meles

Bionic Poster
They are tied 4-4 on hardcourt and Ferrer is up 2-1 on indoor hardcourt. Nadal has a good shot at a win, but I don't think it will be easy by any means. If Nadal does win, it will mean he is finally actually hitting his groundstrokes well, because Ferrer is tough for him on this surface when he lacks rhythm. The way he returns everything deep and takes the ball so early is tough for Rafa if he isn't on his game.
Ferrer is not a foregone conclusion despite Rafa's dominance on clay. Well done El Presidente!
 

Zodd

Hall of Fame
This guy sums up the joke of a Sky commentary/analysis team :)
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Well u can hardly go wrong with teeth like that
 

marc45

G.O.A.T.
Wawrinka: "Something went wrong and then everything went wrong today. A match to forget. Hope I can put it back together on Wednesday"

according to Annacone on Tennis Channel, it was something in the way Stan moved
 

zep

Hall of Fame
This is why I hate the Sky Sports commentators - every single one of them. Peter Fleming just said had Wawrinka played 80-90% he would have definitely beaten Rafa. He actually said that. And he sounded so sure; so cocksure in fact. The disrespectful dick. Hey, Fleming, what did you ever win in your sorry career?

I heard that too. A very stupid thing to say. I mean he could have said that the match would have been close or something like that.
 

I Am Finnish

Bionic Poster
Confident in Rafa. No confidence in Fed vs Nole tomorrow, but hopefully it goes the distance. Djoko looking pretty awesome and Rafa is at best channeling his 2013 form which won't cut it against Nole. He'll need help from Fed to take this one or an early visit from the Djoko Claus, and Nole does not have the spirit of Christmas in him at all this year.
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Djoko claus lol :D
 
OK, so I saw the score and the comments about how badly Wawrinka played. Did Nadal look good, or was it hard to tell because of how badly Wawrinka played? Color me curious.
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
OK, so I saw the score and the comments about how badly Wawrinka played. Did Nadal look good, or was it hard to tell because of how badly Wawrinka played? Color me curious.
Rafa was solid throughout the majority of the match. Started a bit slow, but found some good rhythm from the baseline. All he really needed to do was keep it in and Wawa would eventually miss. Or hit a winner, then miss a couple more times, lol.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
OK, so I saw the score and the comments about how badly Wawrinka played. Did Nadal look good, or was it hard to tell because of how badly Wawrinka played? Color me curious.
The first set was normal, fairly competitive, and Rafa won 6-3. He had one particularly sick volley I remember hours later. But just not enough tennis played to appreciate his level.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Will you seriously cut with all the hypocrite crap? I never made fun of anyone excessively and can joke about Novak too. Go to sleep already if you are so bored. Jesus!
Problem is that I think I'm one of the few here on west coast so different timing. It's way too early to sleep now. Seems many Novak fans Europeans rambling in here being over tired.
While I'm fresh as a daisy lol
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
Rafa was solid throughout the majority of the match. Started a bit slow, but found some good rhythm from the baseline. All he really needed to do was keep in and Wawa would eventually miss. Or hit a winner, then miss a couple more times, lol.
In a way ı wouldnt read too much in todays victory like it is special or something so ı agree with you.
 

marc45

G.O.A.T.
Imo a bit similar with Robin Soderling - Often looked like a complete deuche on court but off court was very humble and down to earth. Met him many years ago as me and my brother had booked the court the hour after him and Magnus Norman training.

Berdych too, along with Soderling....Nadal's not comparable to these guys in any way to me
 

duaneeo

Legend
OK, so I saw the score and the comments about how badly Wawrinka played. Did Nadal look good, or was it hard to tell because of how badly Wawrinka played? Color me curious.

After the first 30 minutes or so, Stan was serving at lightning pace (similar to when Kim Clijsters would go into her deer-in-headlights mode), spraying errors, and appeared to have no interest whatsoever in the match. Facing such competition, it's difficult to gauge Nadal's game.
 

mightyrick

Legend
OK, so I saw the score and the comments about how badly Wawrinka played. Did Nadal look good, or was it hard to tell because of how badly Wawrinka played? Color me curious.

I have no investment in Nadal, but I have to admit that the guy looked good to me. I think it's the best I've seen him look all year. He had some really good gets and was super consistent. Nadal basically did nothing but frustrate Wawrinka to death. I don't know what others saw, but after Wawrinka lost that first set and then immediately got broken in the second set, I thought he totally gave up. He was barely even walking into position to hit a ball and shank it out. He was totally defeated.

I'm no expert on Nadal, but it looked like plain-old Nadal to me. Super-consistent, makes his opponents hit like three or four would-be winners in order to get a point, and grinded his opponent into the ground. Not much else I can say about it.
 

Garhi Shot First

Hall of Fame
Damn it. I had to miss the match and hoped to catch up on a great one. Instead... :( This performance is nothing new, but it still hurts every time.

Congrats to Rafa. From the sound of this thread, it seems like he played a great match.
 

Rjtennis

Hall of Fame
After the first 30 minutes or so, Stan was serving at lightning pace (similar to when Kim Clijsters would go into her deer-in-headlights mode), spraying errors, and appeared to have no interest whatsoever in the match. Facing such competition, it's difficult to gauge Nadal's game.

Wawa goes off the rails all the time. When he is off its a sorry sight. I doubt it was because of lack of interest though. He just isn't that great of a fast HC players.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Wawa goes off the rails all the time. When he is off its a sorry sight. I doubt it was because of lack of interest though. He just isn't that great of a fast HC players.

But the WTF isn't that fast any more. It's much slower than it used to be and people are saying it's slow as mud this year. It should be ideal for Stan.
 

ForumMember

Hall of Fame
Now I wonder how things have panned out if Nadal had one extra points in each of the first set tie breakers both at Rome and Shanghai. Al both places, Rafa lost tie-breaker and then match after losing first set in tie breaker, after having set point.

Seems like mental strength is not something swiss people much endowed with to go along with their talent.

It is first match of this WTF that I watched and I am little surpised with the bounce of the court. I expected it to be fast and little skiddy. I know this match is not right barometer, but some of the forehand Nadal hit was just gorgeous. He made ball just spit after bouncing in some of the forehands. Some of the forehands were hit with so much spin that Waw couldn't catch them even ball had landed well inside service line and that's what i have earlier said as well that Nadal doesn't need to hit as deep as Novak or other players to earn a winner. Spin does the trick for him. However, when this spin is not there or surface is not conducive, same shots simply sit up in the hitting zone of hard hitters.
 
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President

Legend
But the WTF isn't that fast any more. It's much slower than it used to be and people are saying it's slow as mud this year. It should be ideal for Stan.

He likes the high bounce, just like Nadal. Slow and low (which is what this court is) is good for Djokovic and Fed.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
Well, Stan didn't seem injured and had no known reason to be tired, so I'll take the drunk/hungover option ;)

We also forget that Stan is now an old man at 30 (older than Nadal), so expecting day in day out consistency which he didn't have in his younger days is probably too much to ask for.

After the Fed-Djoker match , there should be more clarity on how things will pan out (since we will know who tops that group). If we assume Djoker tops and Fed is second, Murray-Nadal match will be the tiebreaker for who avoids Djoker in the semi.
 

LazyNinja19

Banned
Well, Stan didn't seem injured and had no known reason to be tired, so I'll take the drunk/hungover option ;)

We also forget that Stan is now an old man at 30 (older than Nadal), so expecting day in day out consistency which he didn't have in his younger days is probably too much to ask for.

After the Fed-Djoker match , there should be more clarity on how things will pan out (since we will know who tops that group). If we assume Djoker tops and Fed is second, Murray-Nadal match will be the tiebreaker for who avoids Djoker in the semi.

Joker of the TW boards, ladies and gentlemen.

Every match Nadal wins, is either because the opponent was injured, or had a previous round tough match, or scheduling inconveniences, or choked, or didn't care, or bribed off by the Toni mafia or the light saber wielding Dinosaurs threatened to harm his family.
Literally posts the same sh1t in every single one of Nadal's match threads. More annoying and pathetic than tennis_commentator dude, quite frankly.
 
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Oakel

Semi-Pro
What's the difference between his effort today and his effort in the 5th set vs Djokovic at the AO?
He got bagelled in that 5th set.
See, its not about effort, its about his timing being off.
When he loses his timing, its curtains for him.
I get if your timing is off then that's tough to handle but he just looked disinterested the crowd didn't get there money's worth tonight which is a shame.
 

Lord Anomander

Professional
Rafa deserved to win, he was the better player. Wawrinka started excellent, broke to love, but Nadal simply broke back to love as well. From there on Rafa was quite under control of the first set, I was never under the impression that Stan could win that. The second set was just a winner-unforced festival by Wawrinka. Some nice shots, some terrible errors. Nadal simply had to play that one home and Wawrinka can be "lucky" that he didn't get warned for violating the best effort rule. He mostly refused to play rallyes by hitting the return or his next shot in the net or scoring a winner.

Just a terrible performance by Stan. And I thought that would be a super tough group, but I don't see Wawrinka beating Andy. So, Rafa and Andy are both through imo.
 

llodra_fan

Professional
But the WTF isn't that fast any more. It's much slower than it used to be and people are saying it's slow as mud this year. It should be ideal for Stan.
Actually, the O2 has always been extremely slow but with also very low bounce.

Watch about 1:30 or so
That's twice now top players said they don't know what grip they use - Federer on Sunday and now Nadal. They are not even aware that there are pre-defined grips :D
 
Actually, the O2 has always been extremely slow but with also very low bounce.


That's twice now top players said they don't know what grip they use - Federer on Sunday and now Nadal. They are not even aware that there are pre-defined grips
:D
Really? Federer also doesn’t know about grips! That's just gold! Lol. :D
 
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