chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
That match should be an indication about Federer's state, I guess. I hope he plays his best tennis, win or lose.
BTW, Sock finally holds and is on the scoreboard. A mini victory for him!
2015 BNP Paribas / Indian Wells (R4) - Roger Federer vs Jack Sock
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That match should be an indication about Federer's state, I guess. I hope he plays his best tennis, win or lose.
BTW, Sock finally holds and is on the scoreboard. A mini victory for him!
Tennis wizard
Legend
Dang was hoping fed would get the bagel ohwel
President
Legend
If Federer can't beat Berdych, he doesn't have much chance of winning this tournament anyway. I think he can do both though; this will be a good litmus test of his form.
TommyA8X
Hall of Fame
Fed always hits with tons of spin and can hit as much spin as Nadal. Usually he mixes things up a bit so his general average is a bit lower.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Federer one game away!
I hope he beats Berdych too.
Not sure about winning the tournament though. The surface and balls makes it a tough ask.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Fed is gonna have to serve big like this against berdych.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Brilliant backhand from Fed!
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Its not out of the possibility. He has beaten nadal here before.
I'm afraid beating Nadal is asking too much. I won't forget their last AO semi so easily. Everyone thought Federer had a great chance of winning and he got.. humiliated I must say.
Team10
Hall of Fame
President
Legend
Haha ok I must be dyslexic. My bad man, thanks for posting that.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Have you seen nadal lately? Anything is possible outside of clay.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
I personally predicted a blow-out by Nadal. Federer was crawling back to his way up the rankings after miserable 2013 and I thought he was in no form to compete against still prime Nadal. This time is a bit different though. Federer is about as good physically as he can be at his age and there's a lot of uncertainty about Nadal. I think that will be a 50/50 match.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Anyone wondering what is wrong with US mens tennis - watch this. Sock, nice guy, but was done in by his junior coaches - just like Roddick, Johnson, Isner, etc - no BH! I'm sure it was great as juniors to hit bombs and FHs and zoom up the rankings. You'd think at some point they'd realize they might have a pro prospect on their hands and teach him to hit a serviceable BH. No way Roddick wouldn't have beaten Fed in a few of their majors encounters if he'd had a decent BH. And don't need clay courts to learn one on.
No way to know how good Fed is playing. This is a training match.
No way to know how good Fed is playing. This is a training match.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
And there you go. Fed wins 6/3 6/2. Into the Qfs!
AnotherTennisProdigy
Professional
I personally hope playing fed shows sock what he needs to work on. Namely, his backhand so he doesn't have to run around every single one.
Yeah but that was my point with bringing up the AO match. Nadal was playing horribly up to the Federer match and then he upped his level and made Federer lower his. This happens all the time. Same with AO 2009 when everyone thought Nadal would be too tired to play. The last time Fed beat Rafa was exactly 3 years ago, here. So I wouldn't call him the favorite. Of course it's "possible" but in the same way that it's "possible" Nadal loses to Raonic.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Fed serve brilliantly today. Fed has done well against power players. Sock is vastly overrated.
Shangri La
Hall of Fame
Old Fed is too good.
Team10
Hall of Fame
Lol no worries
. I'm just surprised that Fed's forehand is 2MP slower, I knew that he didn't have the RPM.
President
Legend
Roddick's backhand wasn't great, but to compare it to an awful backhand like Sock's is going too far. Roddick's was serviceable at the tour level, at least.
I know right? I have no idea what those American trainers are thinking. Maybe bring some European (Spanish, French) coaches in there, and maybe play more on clay courts. I personally believe growing up on clay courts promotes development of a balanced baseline game, with enough topspin.
President
Legend
Lol no worries
Nadal has been hitting big in both pace and spin since 2010 or so, and Federer's forehand has probably slowed down a bit since 2006. Still, they are very close, the difference is probably negligible.
Seems like the match may be on Friday?
I have no idea what leads you to believe a Fedal match is ever 50/50. Even if this was in Halle I would call it 55/45 in favor of Nadal.
This is actually a good court for Nadal and when I picture Federer and him playing the only thing I'm seeing in my mind are huge topspin moonballs going towards Federer's backhand corner, leaving the entire court open for Nadal to hit a forehand winner in.
TommyA8X
Hall of Fame
Lol no worries
It's an average. Fed mixes things up more than Nadal and Sock.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
Really? It would be better to play QF tomorrow and then have a rest day before SF, if they get a rest day at all.
TommyA8X
Hall of Fame
If they play, the match will most likely be played at night, so the bounce will be a bit lower.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
Mainly because I think Federer is still in decent form while Nadal seems to be more of an uncertainty. You may be right though. I'm just not sure where Nadal is right at this point.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
I knew Fed would use Sock's fast game to his advantage. 2 clinical sets .
Team10
Hall of Fame
This is true but this is a forehand comparison. Fed mixes it up using his slice backhand. I guess the drop shots and all of the volleys Fed hits skews it a little bit.
President
Legend
I would think his average spin and mph rate would be much much lower than that if they factored in volleys and drop shots. Pretty sure that was just for forehand groundstrokes.
Well I hope we get to see the match and I hope you're right. Just don't want to get let down by a 6-2 6-2 beatdown, that's all..
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Sorry, we can agree to disagree. Stefanki helped him a little bit - but for a pro it was still pretty sad. But early in his career I watched a Roddick - Safin match in LA; Roddick did not hit 1 decent BH the whole night.
Why could Agassi develop a great BH without spending time on clay? Why can the ladies? It's about reps. The junior boys are too busy ripping serves and FHs.
PS - Courier kissing Sock rear was painful. Yeah, we get that you're the captain of the DC team and word of what you say will get back to the Sock camp. But he laid it on way too thick.
TommyA8X
Hall of Fame
Fed throws in some low powered junk balls to disrupt rhythm etc. that skews the average speed a bit.
I don't think they've factored drop shots and volleys in.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
Well, usually Fed v Nadal is very close even though Nadal wins most of the time. It won't be one-sided, that's for sure.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
I think you're all forgetting (kind of at least) that both Federer and Nadal have some serious work to do for the match to even happen personally. I think it will happen this time, but I'm just saying they have formidable opponents coming up. A Raonic-Berdych SF shouldn't completely shock anyone at this point. If it does, that's your fault.
It would be relatively surprising, but not shocking.
It would be relatively surprising, but not shocking.
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