2015 Mutua Madrid Open - ATP 1000

Who will win the title?

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jm1980 said:
Just ask Andy Murray, who just beat him 2 and 0 on clay :lol:
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:lol:

After he took out Monfils, the 12th seed... another dangerous player in good form. Who also happened to take out Federer in MC.

I noticed you were fairly silent after Granollers defeated Monfils. :lol:
 
WhiskeyEE said:
IMO, most scotches are good. And here in Canada alcohol costs twice as much as it does in the states, so expensive malts are simply not worth it.

The only truly bad scotch I can remember having is JW Red. Stay away from the stuff. On the other hand, there are tons of bad ryes. And Irish Whiskey is garbage.
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Lol yeah, I think we can all agree on that. That stuff tastes like gasoline when you drink it non-mixed.
I'm with you, I like most whiskeys as well, although the JW Gold I just bought is a little disappointing. I had a glass of JW Black once and loved it, that's why I had some high expectations of JW Gold, which is even more expensive, but alas..
 
mightyrick said:
:lol:

After he took out Monfils, the 12th seed... another dangerous player in good form. Who also happened to take out Federer in MC.

I noticed you were fairly silent after Granollers defeated Monfils. :lol:
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Who cares if he beat Monfils? Didn't he get dusted 1 and 4 by Berdych in MC?

  • Marcel's best surface: check
  • Andy's worst surface: check
  • Andy exhausted from playing Munich, and then a three setter into 3am: check and check
  • Match played in Spain: check
  • Huge beatdown: check
 
jm1980 said:
Who cares if he beat Monfils?

  • Marcel's best surface: check
  • Andy's worst surface: check
  • Andy exhausted from playing Munich, and then a three setter into 3am: check and check
  • Match played in Spain: check
  • Huge beatdown: check
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:lol: Very very bitter indeed that he took out Monfils. Check
 
merwy said:
Lol yeah, I think we can all agree on that. That stuff tastes like gasoline when you drink it non-mixed.
I'm with you, I like most whiskeys as well, although the JW Gold I just bought is a little disappointing. I had a glass of JW Black once and loved it, that's why I had some high expectations of JW Gold, which is even more expensive, but alas..
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At this point I can drink anything straight. Even Canadian Club. But the first time I tried JW Red I mixed it with coke... lol.
 
ArcspacE said:
Gel-boy looking slick again - gotta favour him in 2

Also - why does he wear that silly sleeve? Endorsement?
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The compression was first to help heal an injury; then it became an endorsement.

For, like, a couple of seasons now.

(Where you been ...? :-))
 
ArcspacE said:
Gel-boy looking slick again - gotta favour him in 2

Also - why does he wear that silly sleeve? Endorsement?
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It is said to give him super powers

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#BelieveTheSleeve #PTS
 
Im a fan of both Murray and Raonic so next round is awesome because at least one of my boys is getting dem points. Part of me want it to be Raonic so he can nab that 4th spot for RG
 
Terenigma said:
Im a fan of both Murray and Raonic so next round is awesome because at least one of my boys is getting dem points. Part of me want it to be Raonic so he can nab that 4th spot for RG
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always hard if your 2 favourite players are playing against each other
you must be torn :(
 
Chanwan said:
On a related note, Spiderman has just set up a meeting with la Muzz.
I wasn't overly impressed with Spiderman from the few games I caught.
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Yeah, Raonic wasn't looking all that great tonight. I believe both of his breaks were DFs from Mayer. Seemed like more UE than usual. At least now he gets to play his pigeon next round !:twisted:
 
Warmaster said:
Muzza will take him to the cleaners!
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I don't expect no cleaners, but I do expect Muzza to prevail given their forms.
mule250 said:
Yeah, Raonic wasn't looking all that great tonight. I believe both of his breaks were DFs from Mayer. Seemed like more UE than usual. At least now he gets to play his pigeon next round !:twisted:
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cheers, good to see my impression confirmed, when I didn't watch it all. Still, you never know if his serve catches fire.
 
mule250 said:
Yeah, Raonic wasn't looking all that great tonight. I believe both of his breaks were DFs from Mayer. Seemed like more UE than usual. At least now he gets to play his pigeon next round !:twisted:
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Iv actually not watched Raonic since he withdrew against Berdych. His foot has been niggling him for a while now altho he's had time to let it heal. Did he show any signs of that in the match? Just makes me wonder if he's maybe not 100%

I just hope that if he plays rome (where he's defending alot of points) he doesnt screw himself over for RG when it comes to his foot injury
 
I know it's pretty much beating a dead horse at this point, but the scheduling here is just so bad.

Ferrer-Nishikori unlikely to start before 10pm. Given the history of their matchups, another post midnight ending is likely.

Whoever comes through at the bottom half of the draw is at a massive disadvantage when they'll suddenly have to play a final in the early(?) afternoon.
 
Warmaster said:
I know it's pretty much beating a dead horse at this point, but the scheduling here is just so bad.

Ferrer-Nishikori unlikely to start before 10pm. Given the history of their matchups, another post midnight ending is likely.

Whoever comes through at the bottom half of the draw is at a massive disadvantage when they'll suddenly have to play a final in the early(?) afternoon.
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terrible
the 6 singles match (including WTA) were scheduled on the same court
 
Warmaster said:
I know it's pretty much beating a dead horse at this point, but the scheduling here is just so bad.

Ferrer-Nishikori unlikely to start before 10pm. Given the history of their matchups, another post midnight ending is likely.

Whoever comes through at the bottom half of the draw is at a massive disadvantage when they'll suddenly have to play a final in the early(?) afternoon.
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Same thing every year. Why do they get away with it? And somehow the same players keep getting the night matches.
One simple thing they could do is start the next match right away instead of the "not before..." nonsense.
Being on the court at 2am in a master with high level of competition AND play 5 days in a row or so is unacceptable but what to do if the players themselves are not vocal about it? They should make themselves heard about that issue. It's worth fighting about.
 
veroniquem said:
Same thing every year. Why do they get away with it? And somehow the same players keep getting the night matches.
One simple thing they could do is start the next match right away instead of the "not before..." nonsense.
Being on the court at 2am in a master with high level of competition AND play 5 days in a row or so is unacceptable but what to do if the players themselves are not vocal about it? They should make themselves heard about that issue. It's worth fighting about.
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Sounds great on paper but in practise it would never work because of people paying for tickets to watch specific matches. Unless you could send out a bat-signal to alert customers that the match is about to start. Its just destined to be poorly scheduled in a way that makes money and possibly helps certain players.
 
Terenigma said:
Sounds great on paper but in practise it would never work because of people paying for tickets to watch specific matches. Unless you could send out a bat-signal to alert customers that the match is about to start. Its just destined to be poorly scheduled in a way that makes money and possibly helps certain players.
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That is called: greed. Too much of that on the tour unfortunately. Tickets should be sold for the day like they used to and like they still are at RG for instance.
 
veroniquem said:
Same thing every year. Why do they get away with it? And somehow the same players keep getting the night matches.
One simple thing they could do is start the next match right away instead of the "not before..." nonsense.
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The other reason I think they do that is in case the player's match runs over the night before. I think they're mandated a certain amount of rest between matches either by their contracts, or by the ATP's rules.
 
ruerooo said:
The other reason I think they do that is in case the player's match runs over the night before. I think they're mandated a certain amount of rest between matches either by their contracts, or by the ATP's rules.
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That's something they could do "if needed", no? Not all the time.
 
veroniquem said:
Same thing every year. Why do they get away with it? And somehow the same players keep getting the night matches.
One simple thing they could do is start the next match right away instead of the "not before..." nonsense.
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When all of the matches over-run, that becomes moot. In theory, it helps to prevent players having to get there too early and hang around for ages, just in case the previous matches are short, or someone retires.

I mean, tonight's evening session is supposed to start after 8pm local time, which is around about when they'll get on court anyway. The problem is if too many previous matches run over, so the matches due to start at 8 are starting at 11pm, and no-one thinks to change courts.
 
*Sparkle* said:
When all of the matches over-run, that becomes moot. In theory, it helps to prevent players having to get there too early and hang around for ages, just in case the previous matches are short, or someone retires.

I mean, tonight's evening session is supposed to start after 8pm local time, which is around about when they'll get on court anyway. The problem is if too many previous matches run over, so the matches due to start at 8 are starting at 11pm, and no-one thinks to change courts.
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They should use more courts then. Look, if it rarely happened, I would agree but the problem is that it happens all the time. Then finals suck because one of the 2 just has nothing left in the tank. Nobody will convince me that there is not a way to fix this. And I don't see them trying.
 
veroniquem said:
They should use more courts then. Look, if it rarely happened, I would agree but the problem is that it happens all the time. Then finals suck because one of the 2 just has nothing left in the tank. Nobody will convince me that there is not a way to fix this. And I don't see them trying.
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Agreed.

I'm not saying that they always get the 'not before' bits right. Sometimes they leave too long gaps. They should make sure they don't leave long gaps during the day, when there is still a queue of matches coming in the evening.
 
*Sparkle* said:
Agreed.

I'm not saying that they always get the 'not before' bits right. Sometimes they leave too long gaps. They should make sure they don't leave long gaps during the day, when there is still a queue of matches coming in the evening.
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Yep, for instance, good idea.
(Let's hope they read this board :))
 
veroniquem said:
They should use more courts then. Look, if it rarely happened, I would agree but the problem is that it happens all the time. Then finals suck because one of the 2 just has nothing left in the tank. Nobody will convince me that there is not a way to fix this. And I don't see them trying.
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It's not a fixable problem. You either put time limits on the matches or you increase the number of courts. Either one are simply not going to happen. Regardless, these are only best-of-three matches. It isn't hurting these players that much if they don't get as much recovery time. They aren't on the court that long. Jeez, we're only talking about a couple of hours playing time. They are used to practicing for four hours or more at a time.

In the old days, Masters were best-of-five. In fact, *all* tourneys were best-of-five.

Tournaments have to be scheduled according to the median expectations and you hope it all evens out. There isn't much else you can do.

In USTA and ITF at recreational levels, if the tournament gets too far behind... the director will force all third sets to be tiebreaks and force all remaining games to be no-ad. There's no way in hell that is happening on the professional level. That is completely dumb.
 
veroniquem said:
They should use more courts then. Look, if it rarely happened, I would agree but the problem is that it happens all the time. Then finals suck because one of the 2 just has nothing left in the tank. Nobody will convince me that there is not a way to fix this. And I don't see them trying.
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Okay, look.

(I'm a little short on patience already today dealing with people who complain about things who don't then try to take action around the thing that's bothering them, so ... you may want to take that under advisement while actually considering the content of what I'm about to suggest.)

If it bothers you THIS MUCH, reach out to the organizers or the people at the ATP and WTA who are in charge of these rules.

(Amelie Mauresmo did it the other evening when Muzz was about to go on at 1am -- she Tweeted about what she'd said -- and she didn't have any luck. But maybe you can do better.)


You and I have been members of this board a fairly comparable amount of time, so I'd imagine you're at least a fairly influential local fan. So you'd know whom to go to if you're really serious about doing something about this.

But don't just sit around and fuss about it to people who can't do anything about it either if YOU'RE not willing to do anything about it.
 
I think the players should do something about it but if they don't, so be it then. It's mostly a problem for THEM the way I see it.
 
mightyrick said:
It's not a fixable problem. You either put time limits on the matches or you increase the number of courts. Either one are simply not going to happen. Regardless, these are only best-of-three matches. It isn't hurting these players that much if they don't get as much recovery time. They aren't on the court that long.
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For some matches they are. The other problem is that it's the same players who keep getting the late matches. Not as much recovery time once, ok, but repeatedly?
I'm sure everyone has noticed that the home champ has played at 3pm all week (including tomorrow). Now I want Nadal to win too but what the organizers are doing is wrong on principle, sorry.
 
Murray has had a Madrid free pass. Kohly had to play a day before him, was more tired than Murray, Granollers rolled over like a dog in no time flat, and now, Raonic is injured. Dimes to dollars, he gets the more tired of Ferrer/Nishikori. And gets more rest than them. All the stars have aligned for Murray.
 
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