2015 Roland Garros Final - [1] Novak Djokovic vs. [8] Stanislas Wawrinka

Who will come out champion?

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Backspin1183

Backspin1183

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RF-18 said:
Where is Nadal? :confused:

I'm looking at the rankings, but unfortunately my scrolling wheel broke as I was looking for him.. damn. Thanks Nadal, gotta get a new mouse now.
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I couldn't care less if you can't find Nadal. Not my problem. I enjoyed watching Stanimal rip apart Ultron in RG final :lol:
 
AngieB

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RF-18 said:
Where is Nadal? :confused:

I'm looking at the rankings, but unfortunately my scrolling wheel broke as I was looking for him.. damn. Thanks Nadal, gotta get a new mouse now.
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#RAFAEL has no points to defend after #Wimbledon. You will be seeing much more of him in the future:

Rafael Nadal: I can get back to the top

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/08/tennis/rafael-nadal-highest-level/index.html


CNN)—Stan Wawrinka may have dethroned Rafael Nadal as the new king of the clay, but the Spaniard is confident he will continue to be a major force in tennis.

Last week Rafael Nadal crashed out of the French Open in a straight sets quarterfinal defeat against world No. 1 Novak Djokovic, who was defeated by Wawrinka in Sunday's final.

And after suffering only his second ever defeat at Roland Garros, and his first since 2009, nine-time French Open champion Nadal sank to his lowest position ranking since April 2005.

"When your opponent is better than you, you have to accept that," the14-time grand slam champion, who has lost four matches on clay in a season for the first time since 2003, told a press conference Monday, referring to his defeat by Djokovic.

"Novak had been better than me and I have to work hard to improve my level of tennis, my level of intensity on court and if that happens I'm confident I can be back and compete at the highest level."

Nadal admitted that he paid little attention to the final but he labeled as Wawrinka one of the fiercest competitors on tour.

"I didn't watch the match, I was practicing," he said. "I watched a few games.
"But obviously Wawrinka is a player that if you're not able to let him play from the tough positions and if he's playing well, I think he's a player that hits the ball with more power on the tour.

"It's tough to stop him, it's tough to have the control of the match against him. I think Wawrinka is a player that can create winners from everywhere.

"When he's playing well, he's one of the best players in the world and he's dangerous for everybody."

#RafaelUnbothered

#AngiesLyst​
 
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Murrayjuannow

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Pheeew. Finally back home after a 4 days trip overseas. Only managed to watch the last set of the recording of the final. Will watch the full match tonight or tomorrow!!Yippeeee.

It was suks to have to sleep during the final and had to leave early the next morning.

Was very very happy that Stan did it.

I don't know why but maybe the god of tennis wanted to wake me up so that I wouldn't miss the match points live.

I was fast asleep and all of the sudden I kicked the wall so hard with my right foot, so I woke up to see the score 5-4 wawrinka serving for the match. My heart was beating faaaast and I couldn't believe my eyes. Deuce. Sh1t. C'mon wawa dont mess it up. He did it. I am so happy that we have a new FO champion. Tennis is healthy again. Tennis is exciting again.

Was a bit disappointed that I couldnt join the party but I had to go to the land of the lord of the rings for a family business. Well, family first. I was tempted to stay home and watch the whole recording but finally i get to watch it i hope tomorrow LOL.

Happy days.

Sorry for Nole. Must be very tough with what such huge expectation and history in the making at stake.

Congrats again to Stan.
 
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kandamrgam said:
Yes you said that, which makes it even worse. So Stan is playing his best tennis since 2013, past his physical prime. Same can be said of Serena. Simply it doesnt matter. When you're making fun of Djoker not being able to beat Nadal in 2013 US Open, citing Nadal being past his physical prime [an absurd comment which is. A slight decline is not past prime, but I give it to you for argument sake], how does it even matter if Nadal is simply playing better than what he was in his physical prime?

When you mock a person for not being able to beat a Nadal past his physical prime, it implies overall Nadal was worse. If he wasnt, which he wasn't, then that's an absurd comment. Which is what I was trying to explain. I might have missed to add a word "physical" there and you failed to get the larger point. I had to explain like this? Gone nuts?
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See the problem with your previous post is that you had to misquote me to make your point. I said "physical prime" and you said "talking about some 7 years past his prime crap". That's why I emphasized the word "physical" in my reply.
 
kandamrgam

kandamrgam

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tennis_commentator said:
See the problem with your previous post is that you had to misquote me to make your point. I said "physical prime" and you said "talking about some 7 years past his prime crap". That's why I emphasized the word "physical" in my reply.
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Hey commentator with limited access to upper story, even by correcting the "typo", your theory looks outright stupid. Which was my original point. You didn't even get what I'm talking about. Chill, the problem is either with your thick cranium, or the thing inside it. Either way we can't help it.. So I'm cool
 
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Murrayjuannow

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Djokodal Fan said:
I really doubt if Djokovic will survive if it goes the distaance. He will be completely gassed out.

Stan is one lucky player to face drained out QF (fed) and Finalist (novak).

But if the Djoker of 5th Vs Murray shows up the match will be over in 3.

if the stanimal against Fed shows up, the match will be over in 4 sets with Stan winning.

If normal djoko and Normal stan shows up, Novak takes it in 4
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You're a really really good tennis observer.

Well predicted!
 
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Murrayjuannow

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PhrygianDominant said:
Stan can play so big that the opponent becomes irrelevant, and djokovic has that annoying tendency to give Stan lots of rhythm. Which will just help Stan get grooved, but that's only if Stan shows up.
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that's interesting. AO and FO give him rhythm. Wimbledon doesn't give him much rhythm. What about USO? Wawrinka plays so well in the windy FO. The wind didn't affect him much.

Djoko and Nadal basically give Stan a lot of rhythm.
 
PhrygianDominant

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Murrayjuannow said:
that's interesting. AO and FO give him rhythm. Wimbledon doesn't give him much rhythm. What about USO? Wawrinka plays so well in the windy FO. The wind didn't affect him much.

Djoko and Nadal basically give Stan a lot of rhythm.
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Historically he does okay there. His big run really started there when he made his first semi final in 2013. That was the beginning of Iron Stan
 
3fees

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ND got tired, now he knows, being tired does not get the crown, in the mean time he gots lots to defend and has increased his lead over the rest of the field.

Cheers
3Fees :)
 
veroniquem

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Once again, he did as best he could under the circumstances. The crowd seemed to agree who gave him an exceptionally long standing ovation. They must have realized that his draw was impossible and that he still gave it his best shot and left everything on the court. That's admirable enough.
 
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mistik

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veroniquem said:
Once again, he did as best he could under the circumstances. The crowd seemed to agree who gave him an exceptionally long standing ovation. They must have realized that his draw was impossible and that he still gave it his best shot and left everything on the court. That's admirable enough.
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His draw was tougher than Stan which ı agree but it wasnt impossible by any means. Nadal match didnt turn to be an epic or something. İt turned out to be a routine win.He reached the semis without losing a set. That Murray match cost him big time but he is the one allow Murray back in the match with needles drop shots in big points.
 
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Murrayjuannow

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Ok i just got to the 6th game of 3rd set, things got really exciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stan 20 FH winners
Djok 3 FH winners????

OMG Stan just hit 158 kph BH DTL winner.!!!!![emoji33] [emoji33] [emoji33]
 
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Murrayjuannow

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[emoji12] LOL at the awkward hugging by Wawrinka's team. Luthi made sure his face didnt touch the others' faces.
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Murrayjuannow

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La Grande said:
Loool, enjoyed yourself?
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Hee hee hee hee pretty much.
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kandamrgam

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veroniquem said:
Once again, he did as best he could under the circumstances. The crowd seemed to agree who gave him an exceptionally long standing ovation. They must have realized that his draw was impossible and that he still gave it his best shot and left everything on the court. That's admirable enough.
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Not this.

mistik said:
His draw was tougher than Stan which ı agree but it wasnt impossible by any means. Nadal match didnt turn to be an epic or something. İt turned out to be a routine win.He reached the semis without losing a set. That Murray match cost him big time but he is the one allow Murray back in the match with needles drop shots in big points.
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This.



His draw was tougher than Stan's agreed, but no way impossible. You mean people havent beaten two of the Big4 in the past to win Majors? Stan really had always troubled Nole in recent past and this time he had the game to beat it. My subjective opinion is that it was more a case of Stan goating than Nole being tired. Reverse the draws, Stan would have still won. But it is subjective, I give it to you. But nothing impossible about the draw.
 
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Murrayjuannow

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killerboi2 said:
Djoko in 3 easily. Stan won't be able to tire him out or hit through him.
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Emiliano55 said:
One thing is Djokovic vs Wawrinka, which Wawa definitely is his pidegeon.

The other, is Djokovic vs Stanimal.

Tomorrow the match will be, again, in Stan's racquet. If Stanimal shows up again, he can win. If Wawrinka shows up, it will be a straights set win for Djokovic.

I have been watching every Wawrinka match, and he is on a mission here. I see the same angry face I saw in the AO 2014. Si I'm pretty sure Stanimal will show up tomorrow.


Stanimal in 4.
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[emoji106] well predicted
 
LazyNinja19

LazyNinja19

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Legit LOLing at Murrayjuannow commentating on this match, almost a week after it took place. And those emoticons are killing me. :mrgreen:

Ayyyyy lmao

























































































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ScentOfDefeat

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Murrayjuannow said:
It's a bit like my serve, both arms going up together, keep the racquet head close to the ball during the toss, short swing but the power is in the timing and follow through.
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I don't mind both arms going up at the same time. That's what Pat Rafter did and it was a great motion. But Stan's is a bit awkward.
 
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Murrayjuannow

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ScentOfDefeat said:
I don't mind both arms going up at the same time. That's what Pat Rafter did and it was a great motion. But Stan's is a bit awkward.
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I think Stan likes to face the opponent front on when he serves, or he likes to face the location where the ball goes, hence the awkward movement of the serve. He also hits a lot of backhand with open stance (facing the net front on). I think he saves a lot of time by hitting serve and groundstrokes with his face facing the opponent.

I often get a return of serve directly to my body but it doesn't bother me because I like hitting bh and fh with open stance. I hit groundstrokes with close stance when I have time and when I want more power for winners.
 
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Murrayjuannow

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Murrayjuannow said:
CMON WAWAAAAAAAAAA

ALLEEEEEEEZZZZZZ

I woke up after dreaming and kicked the wall so hard with my right leg and then saw the score!

Don't disappoint me now WaWaaaaa

DO IT NOW OR NEVER WAWAAAAAAAAAAAA
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I still can't believe that the tennis god purposefully woke me up from my beauty sleep during the last few points. Tennis god wanted me to witness history.
 
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Murrayjuannow

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Murrayjuannow said:
I am so happy for you Wawaaa

I was asleep and did not know what I was dreaming and kicked the wall so hard with my right leg ONLY to wake up at your championship point. I will never forget this!

Your championship point and my right leg must be connected!
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I remember typing this in early hours of the morning then sadly I had to go to the airport straight away and 4 days later I am hoooooome again for the Wawa partyyyy.
 
ScentOfDefeat

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Murrayjuannow said:
It's a bit like my serve, both arms going up together, keep the racquet head close to the ball during the toss, short swing but the power is in the timing and follow through.
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I think it's his trophy position that bothers me. He's on his tippy toes far too long.
 
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TheTruth

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Bertie B said:
The Djoker is reminding me of Agassi at the USO. Except Agassi has a CGS.

Sampras was Andre's nemesis @ USO. After Pete's retirement in 2002 it seemed the way was clear for Andre to win the following year - then BAM a surprise defeat. Next two years be ran into Federer.

Silly Djoker. You can't capitalize on opponent's decline then claim greatness. Greatness is beating the best at their best.
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That's how I see it too, Bertie. Rafa and Federer have battled on tour for a decade. Novak was good enough to be a challenger during their reign, but he wasn't.

Now that Federer is aging and Nadal tired, Novak comes in and gets the spoils? I don't think so. He's been saving his body for years. I don't understand the hype. It's undeserved in my opinion. He's the beneficiary of the two warriors being at precarious times in their career. Not to mention that Andy is just now recovering from his back surgery.
 
kandamrgam

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TheTruth said:
That's how I see it too, Bertie. Rafa and Federer have battled on tour for a decade. Novak was good enough to be a challenger during their reign, but he wasn't.

Now that Federer is aging and Nadal tired, Novak comes in and gets the spoils? I don't think so. He's been saving his body for years. I don't understand the hype. It's undeserved in my opinion. He's the beneficiary of the two warriors being at precarious times in their career. Not to mention that Andy is just now recovering from his back surgery.
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1. I could have agreed to it had Djoker been the same since 2011. No, he clearly elevated his game. So he deserves credit for his success today.

Now let's see his competition.

2. Clearly his toughest challenger would be Federer and he was a beneficiary of Federer declining, agreed. But it's not like Federer's peak coincided with Djoker's. They are simply two generation players. To be fair Federer is a beneficiary of not facing peak Djokovic too.

3. Djoker still had Nadal to overcome. No way did he wait for Nadal to decline. Nadal was still the best player from 2008-2013 time frame. Djoker managed to steal a few years from Nadal during that period.

4. I would agree it is the case since 2014.

5. There is also a small math problem here.

a. Nadal hasn't battled on tour for a decade, definitely not the way you put it. It's been just over 10 years since his first breakout year, 2005 [less if you consider Nadal's peak/prime is only since 2007/2008]. If there's a Nadal battling for a decade, in which time frame did Djoker "capitalize" or "be a beneficiary"? 2005-2015 is the decade I think you're talking about for Nadal.

b. And Djoker was the best player of that reign for many years since 2011. I think you're also contradicting a bit. I have bolded the two contradicting parts. You can't have it both ways. On one side you're saying Djoker wasn't good enough during Fedal's reign [when in reality he was for some years and he wasn't for some years just like Fedal], and on the other you also talk about he being a beneficiary.

c. Federer's time frame of a decade is totally different and doesn't apply to Djoker.

I think you're making a mistake of too much generalization to convey your point. I also think, but not sure, that you belong to those tennis observers who claim Nadal decline since 2009/2010. I beg to disagree there, Nadal was just a different player, but that's subjective so I wont argue. But definitely if you belong to that group there is no room for your a decade long battling where Djoker didnt do good.

6. Here's my subjective list of having conquered the best of best aka Fedalovic among the trivalry at their best Slams.

1. Nadal beat Federer at WC.
2. Federer didn't beat Nadal at RG or Djoker at AO.
3. Djoker the same.



My conclusions are:

1. Each of Fedalovic would have got the raw deal at the hands of each other had their primes coincided. Federer will suffer at the hands of Nadal, Nadal will suffer at the hands of Djoker and Djoker the same against Federer. I would give a marginal h2h advantage to Nadal given his iron grip over RG. Overall Federer might still lead the Slam tally given his consistency to outlast both Nadal and Djoker in the long run.

2. Yes Djokovic is a beneficiary of Federer declining [but not more than Federer being a beneficiary of Djoker not peaking - though Federer will have the upperhand against Djoker peak for peak I have to be very neutral here when calling someone "beneficiary"], but the real the real weak period Djokovic is dominating is since 2014 [even there he had one hell of misfortune against redlining opponents in Nadal and Wawrinka at RG 2014 and 2015 respectively]. One eg of Djoker capitalizing a declined Federer would be WC 2014. Federer at half his caliber still pushed him to the brink. That Djokovic is not beating prime Federer at WC.
 
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