2015 TTW Awards- NOMINATIONS thread.

Moment of the year: wawrinka winning french open
Best forehand: Federer
Most improved player: Paire
Match of the year: federer vs murray Wimby SF
Worst sportsmanship: Kyrgios
Best sportsmanship: Smcyzek
Biggest letdown player: Dimitrov
Most exciting masters: Indian wells
Best 1handed BH: Federer
Best 2handed BH: Djokovic
Best Serve: federer/karlovic
Slam of the year: Wimbledon
Worst Masters: Paris
 
125downthemiddle said:
Djokovic deserves more than a shared best 2nd handed backhand, to me that's laughable and that's all I said. Deal with it.
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I think Murray is still up there with him, Djokovic is probably better IMO, but Murray has more pace (when he is aggressive) and a flatter stroke overall that is very effective on quicker courts. Both are very solid, of course. It's not so clear cut between them that a shout-out to Murray should be laughable, IMO.

FWIW, I do think posting personal stuff on this forum from another website is a pretty low blow, but it was a long time ago. Shouldn't be too big of a deal now.
 
President said:
I think Murray is still up there with him, Djokovic is probably better IMO, but Murray has more pace (when he is aggressive) and a flatter stroke overall that is very effective on quicker courts. Both are very solid, of course. It's not so clear cut between them that a shout-out to Murray should be laughable, IMO.

FWIW, I do think posting personal stuff on this forum from another website is a pretty low blow.
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I think given the conditions most of the tour is played under though, that it's become pretty obvious which backhand is best suited. Also, Djokovic's has appeared way more solid than Murray's to me, at least this year.
 
SpinToWin said:
If I'm to be completely honest here, his "opinions" (whether they are truly his or not) are not as far fetched as you suggest.

I for instance named the RG finals as both the match and moment of the year myself (as have many others), yet nobody has called me out for bias. It is a folly to speak of bias in a subjective matter such as a "Best of…" category to begin with, when there are no cardinal or ordinal numbers to associate with the question at hand. As long as any choice can be coherently and reasonably argued for, there is not much one can object to.

In this sense, @Sysyphus ' trolling is rather clever, as one inadvertently admits a bias of one's own when calling out his choices.

I mean no offense with this and merely wish to present it the way I logically perceive this matter by the way.
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Exactly, this guy got the point of the semi-trolling.

(I feel I might be breaking the first rule of troll-club here though—never talk about troll—club).


125downthemiddle said:
Tone of his post was obvious. I noted it wad laughable bias which he admitted to. End of story.
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Jeez:D Where did I admit to writing biased? I quote myself:

Sysyphus said:
And this is where you have failed to understand my intent. You are inferring that since I intently phrased it to get a Chicoesque reaction, then my post must also in fact be biased.

But that's exactly where the joke is: I knew that by writing some things that are in themselves perfectly reasonable opinions, I would still get some indignant reaction. And that's the fun of it: exposing someone's irrationality.
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I purposely wrote something that I knew, while not biased or unreasonable, would irk someone with a chip on their shoulder. And clearly it did.

As for the "tone" of my post being "obvious"—what exactly? That I wrote "Stan saving tennis"? I have already explained how I would've gladly said this whomever the players in question were. As such it's actually the opposite of bias: I don't want for any of my faves to utterly dominate, I want what I see as exciting for the game as a whole, namely some unpredictability.
 
President said:
I think Murray is still up there with him, Djokovic is probably better IMO, but Murray has more pace (when he is aggressive) and a flatter stroke overall that is very effective on quicker courts. Both are very solid, of course. It's not so clear cut between them that a shout-out to Murray should be laughable, IMO.

FWIW, I do think posting personal stuff on this forum from another website is a pretty low blow, but it was a long time ago. Shouldn't be too big of a deal now.
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I agree that this shouldn't be done—and I should stress that it wasn't me who linked to the homepage.

If I did not point out the wrongness of sharing that link though, and I suspect I didn't, I gladly offer an apology to @125downthemiddle .

As for the smartness of using personal pictures if caring about privacy, my opinion stands.
 
Nathaniel_Near said:
I think given the conditions most of the tour is played under though, that it's become pretty obvious which backhand is best suited. Also, Djokovic's has appeared way more solid than Murray's to me, at least this year.
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Possibly, it's hard to isolate one stroke though so it ends up being very subjective. For example, Djokovic's forehand is consistently hit with more pace, spin, and depth than Murray's; IMO, Djokovic has the best forehand on tour at the moment. His opponent therefore has a lot less to work with on most balls (since even Djokovic and Murray try to take the majority of shots as forehands), and finds it difficult to really ever dictate play. Murray's backhand could be receiving consistently more difficult shots compared to Djokovic due to the relative weakness of his forehand, which in turn can make his backhand look weaker. Ditto for the serve (second serve). To me, when they are both in a neutral position, they are very close on the two handed backhand. I generally agree that Djokovic's has been a bit better this year though, but IMO it's is a small margin and certainly not laughable to suggest Murray is right up there with him.
 
Sysyphus said:
Exactly, this guy got the point of the semi-trolling.

(I feel I might be breaking the first rule of troll-club here though—never talk about troll—club).




Jeez:D Where did I admit to writing biased? I quote myself:



I purposely wrote something that I knew, while not biased or unreasonable, would irk someone with a chip on their shoulder. And clearly it did.

As for the "tone" of my post being "obvious"—what exactly? That I wrote "Stan saving tennis"? I have already explained how I would've gladly said this whomever the players in question were. As such it's actually the opposite of bias: I don't want for any of my faves to utterly dominate, I want what I see as exciting for the game as a whole, namely some unpredictability.
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Your post was laughably biased like I've said several times, not sure why you can't accept that. Just be happy your "trolling" ...more like smug passive aggressive shtick..."worked"

So insufferable. Im not even religious, but you remind me of those smug atheists on youtube with your impeccable "logic"
 
Sysyphus said:
I agree that this shouldn't be done—and I should stress that it wasn't me who linked to the homepage.

If I did not point out the wrongness of sharing that link though, and I suspect I didn't, I gladly offer an apology to @125downthemiddle .

As for the smartness of using personal pictures if caring about privacy, my opinion stands.
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Be quiet Dude you never offered an apology and egged the guy on when it happened. A true apology doesn't continue to point out how "stupid" or "not smart" the wronged was. You're a smug guy who hides behind your computer and you couldn't cope with the fact that I wrote a one line post criticizing your lame trolling bias.
 
President said:
Possibly, it's hard to isolate one stroke though so it ends up being very subjective. For example, Djokovic's forehand is consistently hit with more pace, spin, and depth than Murray's; IMO, Djokovic has the best forehand on tour at the moment. His opponent therefore has a lot less to work with on most balls (since even Djokovic and Murray try to take the majority of shots as forehands), and finds it difficult to really ever dictate play. Murray's backhand could be receiving consistently more difficult shots compared to Djokovic due to the relative weakness of his forehand, which in turn can make his backhand look weaker. Ditto for the serve (second serve). To me, when they are both in a neutral position, they are very close on the two handed backhand. I generally agree that Djokovic's has been a bit better this year though, but IMO it's is a small margin and certainly not laughable.
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The thing is, Murray has to stay in the matches somehow and be ranked #2 in the world somehow. We all tend to agree that his fitness is slightly worse and his movement is slightly worse and his forehand is considerably worse AND his serve AND his return AND his WIFE and HIS YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA>..


Point being, something has gotta keep him afloat at the lofty K2 peak of tennis. So what is it? Probably his backhand.

Therefore I conclude it's the best backhand of the year.
 
Nathaniel_Near said:
The thing is, Murray has to stay in the matches somehow and be ranked #2 in the world somehow. We all tend to agree that his fitness is slightly worse and his movement is slightly worse and his forehand is considerably worse AND his serve AND his return AND his WIFE and HIS YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA>..


Point being, something has gotta keep him afloat at the lofty K2 peak of tennis. So what is it? Probably his backhand.

Therefore I conclude it's the best backhand of the year.
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I assume this is at least partially trolling but I nevertheless agree, lol. Murray has some other strengths over Djokovic, like better volleys, slightly better defensive anticipation, better block return against huge serves, better slice, and a more powerful first serve, but overall the rest of his game is clearly weaker than Djokovic's, since the forehand is probably the most important shot in modern tennis and the second serve is crucial too. I'm not saying his backhand is better than Djokovic's, but it is a superb shot and it's definitely not crazy to think he could have the best two hander on tour.
 
Nathaniel_Near said:
The thing is, Murray has to stay in the matches somehow and be ranked #2 in the world somehow. We all tend to agree that his fitness is slightly worse and his movement is slightly worse and his forehand is considerably worse AND his serve AND his return AND his WIFE and HIS YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA>..


Point being, something has gotta keep him afloat at the lofty K2 peak of tennis. So what is it? Probably his backhand.

Therefore I conclude it's the best backhand of the year.
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Lulz, I presume you are hyperbolizing, but this is my line of reasoning as to why Murray's backhand has a decent argument to be in the conversation (while I too agree that Djokovic's has been a bit better, especially for the latter half of the year, which ironically is what should suit Murray).

The wife is a tiebreaker though. A genuine tiebreaker.
 
Moment of the year - Djokovic destroy Nadal in RG
Best forehand - Federer
Most improved player - Anderson
Match of the year - Djokovic vs Wawrinka A Open sf
Worst sportsmanship - Kyrgios
Best sportsmanship - Smyczek
Biggest letdown player - Nishikori
Most exciting masters - Monte Carlo
Best 1handed BH - Wawrinka
Best 2handed BH - Djokovic
Best Serve - Dr.Ivo Karlovic
Slam of the year - Us Open
Worst Masters - Shanghai
 
President said:
I assume this is at least partially trolling but I nevertheless agree, lol. Murray has some other strengths over Djokovic, like better volleys, slightly better defensive anticipation, better block return against huge serves, better slice, and a more powerful first serve, but overall the rest of his game is clearly weaker than Djokovic's, since the forehand is probably the most important shot in modern tennis and the second serve is crucial too. I'm not saying his backhand is better than Djokovic's, but it is a superb shot and it's definitely not crazy to think he could have the best two hander on tour.
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Half troll. I'm being quite serious that in most of the fundamental areas of the game Djokovic is clearly enough superior apart from volleys.. which is hardly a fundamental part of the game these days. So, I'm assuming his backhand is taking the brunt of the load and is one of the most critical reasons for him being ranked as highly and doing as well as he is.

it's easier fro Djokovic's to appear better because his whole game is in a better flow and everything is feeding into everything else very harmoniously. Murray's backhand looked superior to Djokovic's in the RG 2015 SF. He was badly outclassed on that front though in Shanghai.

Generally, I don't think Murray loses more matches a year than Djokovic (against the whole field) based on his backhand. It's to do with his bipolar serving and his mentality.. and his wife.

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Nathaniel_Near said:
The thing is, Murray has to stay in the matches somehow and be ranked #2 in the world somehow. We all tend to agree that his fitness is slightly worse and his movement is slightly worse and his forehand is considerably worse AND his serve AND his return AND his WIFE and HIS YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA>..


Point being, something has gotta keep him afloat at the lofty K2 peak of tennis. So what is it? Probably his backhand.

Therefore I conclude it's the best backhand of the year.
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I love Jelena but Kim is very buirful to me. It's a tie
 
Nathaniel_Near said:
Generally, I don't think Murray loses more matches a year than Djokovic based on his backhand. It's to do with his bipolar serving and his mentality.
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I think the forehand is just as big of a problem as the serve, no one would ever put Murray in the top 10 forehands on tour (while Nadal, Federer, and Djokovic are probably the 3 best at the moment), and these, days due to the slower courts, groundstrokes are extremely important, with the forehand obviously being dominant. It's no longer mainly a serve based game for the top players, IMO, although of course it is still one of the most important factors. Match in and match out, Murray just can't hit his forehand with consistent depth and/or pace without making a ton of errors, unlike the rest of the Big 4. As you mentioned, his mentality is suspect as well, although one could argue that he is more susceptible to upsets/downturns in play than the other top players because he has some relatively big holes in his game; it is really hard to separate the mental from the physical in this sport. I totally agree with the rest of your post though.
 
President said:
I think the forehand is just as big of a problem as the serve, no one would ever put Murray in the top 10 forehands on tour (while Nadal, Federer, and Djokovic are probably the 3 best at the moment), and these days with the slower courts groundstrokes are extremely important, with the forehand obviously being dominant. It's no longer mainly a serve based game for the top players, IMO, although of course it is still one of the most important factors. Murray just can't hit his forehand with consistent depth and/or pace without making a ton of errors, unlike the rest of the Big 4. As you mentioned, his mentality is suspect as well, although one could argue that he is more susceptible to upsets/downturns in play than the other top players because he has some relatively big holes in his game; it is really hard to separate the mental from the physical in this sport. I totally agree with the rest of your post though.
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Yes I left out the FH so you would oblige (no, I'm being completely serious).

He also loses this stroke very quickly the moment he becomes even slightly fatigued. It has a fickle threshold.
 
Nathaniel_Near said:
Yes I left out the FH so you would oblige (no, I'm being completely serious).

He also loses this stroke very quickly the moment he becomes even slightly fatigued. It has a fickle threshold.
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The weaknesses in his game are all relative to the Big 3, of course. Many former top 2/3 players in even the last 20 years have had bigger holes in their game IMO than Murray (Roddick's backhand, Hewitt's lack of power and forehand, Moya's backhand, etc), but he is dealing with 3 of the best players ever whose primes all intersected with his own.
 
President said:
The weaknesses in his game are all relative to the Big 3, of course. Many former top 2/3 players in even the last 20 years have had bigger holes in their game IMO than Murray (Roddick's backhand, Hewitt's lack of power and forehand, Moya's backhand, etc), but he is dealing with 3 of the best players ever whose primes all intersected with his own.
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This "era" at the very top has been ludicrously strong and won't be repeated for a long time #prediction.
 
'I showed promise last year but completely ****ed up this year' award: Dimitrov
'I improved compared to last year but I'm still just as far away from winning slams' award: Murray
'I went nowhere, came back but I'm never gonna be truly back' award: Nadal
'I came close but ruined what might have been my last chances' award: Federer
'ATP Tourmination' award': Djokovic
' I did nothing all year except when defending slam' award: Cilic
'I saved tennis in the eyes of the many and totally ruined a great moment of the few' Wawrinka
'I am a casanova, at least according to Kyrgios' award', Kokkinakis
'I totally ****ed up the most hyped moment of my careerd' award: Serena Williams
'I improved a lot but still might consider playing golf' award: Benoit Paire
'I had my worst year since ages, how the hell am I still top 5' award: Nadal
'I won 3 slams this year but got the most applause for losing one' award: Djokovic
 
sureshs said:
Worst sportsmanship: Saberer
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you don't say that. i pray for u

Our Fatherer, Who art in Wimbledon, hallowed be Thy name; Thy Gold Medal come, Thy will be done in match as it is in Practice. Give us this day our daily GOAT thread; and forgive us our jinx threads as we forgive those who jinx thread against us; and lead us not into nadal, but deliver us from evil. Nike®.
 
KineticChain said:
you don't say that. i pray for u

Our Fatherer, Who art in Wimbledon, hallowed be Thy name; Thy Gold Medal come, Thy will be done in match as it is in Practice. Give us this day our daily GOAT thread; and forgive us our jinx threads as we forgive those who jinx thread against us; and lead us not into nadal, but deliver us from evil. Nike®.
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deliver us from Ivo
 
jwjh said:
Moment of the year - sureshs high BH smash
Best forehand - sureshs
Most improved player - LeeD
Match of the year - sureshs/navigator vs i forgot
Worst sportsmanship - LeeD
Best sportsmanship - sureshs
Biggest letdown player - LeeD
Most exciting masters - Pandamonium at the Park 2
Best 1handed BH - sureshs
Best 2handed BH - Nole
Best Serve - sureshs
Slam of the year - The real slam
Worst Masters - none
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EXCELLENT picks !

You forgot:
Best volley/half-volley - sureshs (no contest)
Best movement - ???? sureshs again ? or was Nole close ?
 
Moment of the year: Stan RG
Best forehand: Stan
Most improved player: Sock
Match of the year: Stan-Djokovic RG F
Worst sportsmanship: Djokovic
Best sportsmanship: Bull
Biggest letdown player: Dimitrov
Most exciting masters: N/A
Best 1handed BH: Stan
Best 2handed BH: Bull
Best Serve: Isner
Slam of the year: RG
Worst Masters: N/A
 
Moment of the year : Wawrinka winning the French Open
Best forehand : Novak Djokovic
Most improved player : Dominic Thiem
Match of the year : Nadal-Fognini at US
Worst sportsmanship : Lin Zhu
Best sportsmanship : Novak Djokovic
Biggest letdown player : Andy Murray
Most exciting masters : Monte Carlo
Best 1handed BH : Wawrinka by a mile
Best 2handed BH : Djokovic by a mile
Best Serve : Filippo Volandri
Slam of the year : French Open
Worst Masters : Madrid
 
Moment of the year- Stan saving tennis
Best forehand-Federer
Most improved player- Tomic/Paire
Match of the year - Federer/Murray Wimby
Worst sportsmanship- Djokovic/Krygios
Best sportsmanship- Federer/Smyczek
Biggest letdown player- Federer/Dimitrov (flatter to deceive) Serena losing to Vinci
Most exciting masters- Cincinnati (SABR onslaught), IW
Best 1handed BH- Stan
Best 2handed BH-Ultron
Best Serve- Federer/Isner/Karlovic
Slam of the year- FO (best schedule)
Worst Masters-Bercy
 
Moment of the year - FO Final 2015
Best forehand - He who better...........
Most improved player - Benoit Paire
Match of the year - FO Final
Worst sportsmanship - Kyrgios
Best sportsmanship - Tim Symzcek
Biggest letdown player - Nishikori
Most exciting masters - Indian Wells
Best 1handed BH - Gasquet
Best 2handed BH - Benoit Paire
Best Serve - Karlovic
Slam of the year - French Open
Worst Masters - Paris Masters
 
Moment of the year: the Stanimal redlining in the FO Final and
Best forehand: Kyrgios
Most improved player: Anderson
Match of the year: FO Final
Worst sportsmanship: Murray v Berdych AO
Best sportsmanship: Smyczek v Nadal AO
Biggest letdown player: Gulbis
Most exciting masters: Cincinnati
Best 1handed BH: Stanimal
Best 2handed BH: Ultron
Best Serve: Dr. Ivo
Slam of the year: RG (pains me to say this)
Worst Masters: Paris Bercy
 
Moment of the year- Vinci beats Serena
Best forehand- Djokovic
Most improved player- Anderson
Match of the year- Stan-Djoker RG
Worst sportsmanship- Probably Kyrgios for the amount of times
Best sportsmanship- Tim Smyczek (sp?)
Biggest letdown player- Nadal
Most exciting masters- Indian Wells or Cincinnati
Best 1handed BH- Probably Wawrinka
Best 2handed BH- Djokovic
Best Serve- Karlovic
Slam of the year- RG
Worst Masters- Paris
 
Best shorts - Stanislas Wawrinka at RG
Best racket smash - Dimitrov against Murray at the AO.

Both were a thing of beauty
 
Moment of the year: Stan winning the French Open, Vinci and Pennetta at the US Open
Best forehand: Maybe Sock for flash, Djokovic for results, Stan for that one moment in the sun
Most improved player: Hard to choose between Tomic, Paire, Thiem, and Anderson
Match of the year: French Open final :)
Worst sportsmanship: Kyrgios
Best sportsmanship: Djokovic after the French Open, also Nadal stopping every time to sign for fans after those painful losses
Biggest letdown player: Nadal, Nishikori, Delpo :(
Most exciting masters: Shanghai for the tennis, Cincinnati because I was there
Best 1handed BH: Stan
Best 2handed BH: Djokovic, special honors to Paire
Best Serve: Karlovic, special honors to Federer and Djokovic
Slam of the year: French Open
Worst Masters: Nothing really stands out except the awful scheduling at Madrid and Bercy
 
Moment of the year: Difficult to choose one - I can think of at least eleven
Best forehand: King Novak
Most improved player: Dominic :)
Match of the year: Djokovic/Anderson Wim 4R
Worst sportsmanship: Kyrgios
Best sportsmanship: Djokovic
Biggest letdown player: Dimitrov
Most exciting Masters: Indian Wells/Montreal
Best 1 handed backhand: Wawrinka
Best 2 handed backhand: The Serbinator
Best serve: Karlovic
Slam of the year: Wimbledon
Worst Masters: Same as every year( but thanks for saving tennis Andy).
 
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