ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
I don't know what you're talking about. I was arguing about the nature of the playing field (if it's competitive or not). It can't be determined with any type of empirical evidence. You're talking about something else.
2015 Western & Southern Open (WTA) | Premier 5 | General Discussion Thread
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I don't know what you're talking about. I was arguing about the nature of the playing field (if it's competitive or not). It can't be determined with any type of empirical evidence. You're talking about something else.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Yes, it's great! Probably not quite what you think it is though
Well, I wouldn't venture to even imagine what it is. I'm just going by the available information.
It can be determined that there has never been a a player like serena so anyone who starts weak era talk is a moron.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Actually, that's not entirely true. Granted, she could be absolutely unique in that respect - and I believe she is - and that would still mean nothing in terms of the level of competition. The two variables don't interfere with each other.
She is.
She is unique. Thats not even a debate.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Are you kidding? Weeks at #1 means nothing compared to the Grand Slam, which would assure Serena ranked as one of the GOAT. But, I don't see her winning it, so that will not be a point of debate in any case.
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Damn I was watching the Poker and you just spoiled it for me
Down_the_line
G.O.A.T.
YOUR 2015 WESTERN & SOUTHERN OPEN CHAMPIONS:
Singles: Serena Williams
Doubles: Hao-Ching Chan / Yung-Jan Chan
Yea i guess i am not as grand slam obsessed as many. Being number 1 for long periods of time impresses me more.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Based on absolutely nothing but a feeling. And I'm the one with the irrational shtick!
But hey, it's alright. Let's shake hands and never discuss this topic again.
Man of steel
Hall of Fame
So wozniacki with her 67 weeks at no 1 impresses you more than sharapova's 21 weeks at no1
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Well, obviously. Based on what he said, that is.
In some ways. Sharapova has no consistency what so ever. That tells me alot. But i was talking about the calendar slam. I just dont put as much importance on that as weeks at number 1 or career slams.
Man of steel
Hall of Fame
Weeks at no 1 became meaningless after it changed in 1996(i think 96/7)
and a lot of players could become no 1 withought winning or holding any majors or even the biggest titles. It just became all about how many tournaments you could play and in the case of woz to make the semi's at least as much as possible. Also the fact that those no 1 players who ended up being slamless got their no 1's from the injured real no 1's and still couldn't capitalise winning majors.
Man of steel
Hall of Fame
Well pova had mostly been in the shadow of an all time goat and other great player. Plus she's actually more consistent than woz.
Woz became no 1 all because serena got an life threatning injury.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Weeks at no 1 became meaningless after it changed in 1996(i think 96/7)
and a lot of players could become no 1 withought winning or holding any majors or even the biggest titles. It just became all about how many tournaments you could play and in the case of woz to make the semi's at least as much as possible. Also the fact that those no 1 players who ended up being slamless got their no 1's from the injured real no 1's and still couldn't capitalise winning majors.
I don't mind players getting recognition for different kinds of achievements. Why not? Not everyone is realistically in contention for 20+ Slams. I just wish a player I liked better had done it instead of Safina or Wozniacki (like Dementieva or Safarova). That's my only complaint.
Man of steel
Hall of Fame
True. I'd definetly would have preferred dementieva. She was really strong of the ground and one of the most athletic girls ever in the game. So much talent and yet no slam and only an olympic gold to show for it.
If u think about how many really good Russian players there have been but none really great except maybe sharapova its kinda strange. Russian players have weird careers.
Vanhool
Hall of Fame
How are sunglasses even legal in this "sport?"
Wozniacki made her name by benefiting from the absence of Williams in 2010/11 and now they are best friends
Sharapova made her name by beating Williams at Wimbledon 2004 and now they hate each other
Figure that one...
Keys is still too much of a head case to beat Serena, IMO(the one win was years ago and had extenuating circumstances).
I was wondering the same thing
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Well, they should try, and not be content with just winning every other event or getting a #1 ranking. The majors are the majors. There's no way Caroline Wozniacki is content with that once-held ranking. She competes because she desires majors. Only a fool like Safina made the statement:
She deserved the criticism for that statement, as it flies in the face of all of those champions who fought to win majors. All of that history.
Brian11785
Hall of Fame
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
She DID win Rome and Madrid.
Well..some around here think that's as good as a major, so Safina has a couple of supporters...
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