2015 Wimbledon Final - [1] Novak Djokovic vs. [2] Roger Federer

[laughingcavalier]

Congratulations to the best player in the world and his normal (not classy, normal is a better word) fans.

Another multi-slam year and a 3rd title at the biggest tennis tournament in the world.

Nole won the title v Anderson and all credit to him for that. Nole was very cluth on those set 1 break points with the 2 big serves. Shows how good he is that he was able to reach this final without playing great. I know some such as MichaelNadal say Nole is profiting from a weak era but I think he is doing a great job.

Within 3 games it seemed very clear which way this match was going, just like all there other matches have gone off quick hard.

Credit to Fed, he could have gave up in 2013 after the Robredo etc debacle and it was a great effort to win another slam reaching 2 finals only to lose to an outstanding player in Djokovic. 17 is a great tally and the last couple of years have been great fun as a fan. He himself knows he is done now and will probably never get the hunger back. The next and final 18 months will be a nice watch.





Also lol

After watching Federer last year win the first set in a tie break (after saving set points) and seeing how he lost in 5 I really don't think it would've mattered if he won the first here.The one big factor in both victories in 2014 + 2015 for Novak over Fed here is how inaffective Federer has been in breaking Novak's serve

In both matches spanning 9 sets he barely broke him at all and following a similar pattern of Federer holding firm on serve,sooner or later Novak was breaking him down.For all we know had Novak lost the first set he might never have choked in the 2nd set on those set points as he would've been more desperate not to go 2 sets down.Fed's form IMO just didn't cut to win here as he wasn't playing well enough to win.

 

[stiggytennis]

A real shame for Fed today.
A solid performance from Nole and 3 Wimby's now!
Fed had chances as many have said,4-2 1st set loses serve and TB.
Second set Fed was very fortunate to have won it.
Rog's running/stretch fh was almost non-existent today and his game was littered with uncharacteristic errors too.
He played a very nervous cautious match and seemed intimidated by Nole's game.

 

[King Fed WW]

Fed was very nervy at times, as I expected.

After watching Federer last year win the first set in a tie break (after saving set points) and seeing how he lost in 5 I really don't think it would've mattered if he won the first here.The one big factor in both victories in 2014 + 2015 for Novak over Fed here is how inaffective Federer has been in breaking Novak's serve

In both matches spanning 9 sets he barely broke him at all and following a similar pattern of Federer holding firm on serve,sooner or later Novak was breaking him down.For all we know had Novak lost the first set he might never have choked in the 2nd set on those set points as he would've been more desperate not to go 2 sets down.Fed's form IMO just didn't cut to win here as he wasn't playing well enough to win.

Agree but it should be remembered Fed really wasn't that good in the 1stv Andy, it was only once he settled after winning set 1. I believe Nole would have won regardless.

I felt Fed at least got a look in many of Nole' service games compared to last year, when he really stuggled other than the 4th set charge

Don't worry, I knew from the first nano seconds of seeing your username months back what WW stood for.

Oh yes, it was intentional. I wanted my legacy to be known.

 

[LazyNinja19]

Oh yes, it was intentional. I wanted my legacy to be known.

Don't worry. We remember you from Roger2003Wimbledon, FedererWinsWimbledon2014 and one more account which i don't remember.

 

[powerslave]

So Federer loosing the first set is because of Djokovic's clutch play but Fed winning the second set was just luck ? Factually speaking Djokovic won more points from Fed's UFEs than winners , if you see just stats Fed still had more winners than Djokovic so if there was someone who won due to just luck then it has to be Djokovic. Fact is Fed's serve was not good today that itself cost him the first set . Matches like these are decided by just a couple of big points here and there .

 

[Mustard]

Fed was very nervy at times, as I expected.

Aggressive play was Federer's only chance of victory today. That's how he beat Murray, and he needed it even more against Djokovic. Yet, for some reason, Federer was prolonging a lot of the rallies today as if his strategy was to wear Djokovic down. That was never going to be a winning strategy.

 

[smoledman]

Aggressive play was Federer's only chance of victory today. That's how he beat Murray, and he needed it even more against Djokovic. Yet, for some reason, Federer was prolonging a lot of the rallies today as if his strategy was to wear Djokovic down. That was never going to be a winning strategy.

It was even more clear that the serve was not as effective against Djokovic as it was against Murray. 1st serves were coming back with interest and that was clearly un-nerving Roger.

 

[dh003i]

Aggressive play was Federer's only chance of victory today. That's how he beat Murray, and he needed it even more against Djokovic. Yet, for some reason, Federer was prolonging a lot of the rallies today as if his strategy was to wear Djokovic down. That was never going to be a winning strategy.

An incredibly disappointing outcome to this match, as I really can't stand Djokovic for his antics historically nor his style of play, nor the fact that that now cuts it at Wimbledon where the grass is dried up and dead at the baseline and plays slower than it should.

It's frustrating watching Federer play tennis the way it should be played except sometimes in these finals, then coming to the net less. What's the point of bringing Edberg on then?

Ultimately just a very disappointing outcome for tennis history.

 

[VexlanderPrime]

Fed played well, at times brilliant, at other points obv his level dipped. Fed forced Djoker to play at a higher level than he normally does. For much of the first 2 sets we saw the best match play of the year. Some ridiculous shots by both guys.

2 great champs. The GOAT and an All Time Great chasing his own place on the pantheon. Hope all fans can respect both guys and thier place in tennis history.

 

[VexlanderPrime]

An incredibly disappointing outcome to this match, as I really can't stand Djokovic for his antics historically nor his style of play, nor the fact that that now cuts it at Wimbledon where the grass is dried up and dead at the baseline and plays slower than it should.

It's frustrating watching Federer play tennis the way it should be played except sometimes in these finals, then coming to the net less. What's the point of bringing Edberg on then?

Ultimately just a very disappointing outcome for tennis history.

So basically, don't be this ^^^ guy lol. Stay in reality.

 

[smoledman]

An incredibly disappointing outcome to this match, as I really can't stand Djokovic for his antics historically nor his style of play, nor the fact that that now cuts it at Wimbledon where the grass is dried up and dead at the baseline and plays slower than it should.

It's frustrating watching Federer play tennis the way it should be played except sometimes in these finals, then coming to the net less. What's the point of bringing Edberg on then?

Ultimately just a very disappointing outcome for tennis history.

How many return winners did Novak hit today? S&V all the time would have been straight-sets suicide.

 

[jwjh]

 

[Mustard]

It was even more clear that the serve was not as effective against Djokovic as it was against Murray. 1st serves were coming back with interest and that was clearly un-nerving Roger.

We all know how sports competition works. You bully your opponent, and don't give them an even chance. If they hit you, hit back, and then hit them harder. Federer was never going to beat Djokovic today over best of 5 sets by being cautious and engaging in grinding rallies. He isn't 25 anymore.

 

[smoledman]

Is Roger being delusional in that presser - "my game is alright"?

 

[smoledman]

We all know how sports competition works. You bully your opponent, and don't give them an even chance. If they hit you, hit back, and then hit them harder. Federer was never going to beat Djokovic today over best of 5 sets by being cautious and engaging in grinding rallies. He isn't 25 anymore.

However there is much to the theory that he spent his best bullet on Murray and that's backed up by a lower average 1st serve speed in the final. So I don't think he physically had it in him to "punch Novak in the mouth".

 

[ScottleeSV]

Gutted Fed fan here. Arggh.

Top stuff from Djokovic. Just so so solid as usual. At least there was one magical moment to cherish in the form of that 2nd set tie break though. That was awesome.

But yeah, Djokovic fully deserved it. I knew the writing was on the wall as soon as Fed got broke in the 3rd set. Delighted with the tournament though. It was beyond my expectations he'd be back to another slam final, and that blitz of Murray was definitely one for the greatest hits.

 

[smoledman]

Sad thing is nobody will remember the Murray match because Fed didn't win the final. Nobody remembers those matches.

 

[Mustard]

Is Roger being delusional in that presser - "my game is alright"?

His game is alright, for this stage of his career, but I believe he played a bad match tactically today. If we're comparing his current game to his past game, he still has all his tennis talent and has greater experience but he's lost a lot in terms of mobility and physicality over the long haul. But what tennis player is better physically when they are 33 compared to when they were 23?

 

[smoledman]

His game is alright, for this stage of his career, but I believe he played a bad match tactically today. If we're comparing his current game to his past game, he still has all his tennis talent but he's lost a lot in terms of mobility and physicality over the long haul. But what tennis player is better physically when they are 33 compared to when they were 23.

I just watched some of 2003 YEC final highlights and man was Federer awesome or what? A human highlight machine. Same thing with 2004 US Open finals. Just taking guys to the woodshed.

 

[laughingcavalier]

Fed was very nervy at times, as I expected.



Agree but it should be remembered Fed really wasn't that good in the 1stv Andy, it was only once he settled after winning set 1. I believe Nole would have won regardless.

I felt Fed at least got a look in many of Nole' service games compared to last year, when he really stuggled other than the 4th set charge




Oh yes, it was intentional. I wanted my legacy to be known.

The irony is after Fed's serving masterclass against Murray and everyone praising him for it really didn't realise that it was actually the other part of the game of where Federer needed to excel to win the match... eg.. receiving serve.Whether Federer served off his dial today or in 2014 it is totally irrelevant as what is/what was needed to beat Djokovic was to attack his serve and make the most of the break point opportunites.. which he didn't do.Federer serving well was merely a prerequisite to keep him in hunt to put him in a attacking position to win,but that's it... God knows how many times I said to myself 'Just pick a corner and hit it' when Fed had a 2nd serve coming his way from Novak whilst having a break point only to see him chip it and give Novak oodles of time to work it into play and dictate the rallies.Go for a winner and put pressure on his serve man.If you miss,fine... but that'll let Novak know that every time he serves a 2nd serve if it isn't deep or struck with authority he was going to pay for it.It also increases the pressure on Novak and creates a higher chance of him serving a double for going too much... but alas,Fed didn't and Novak was free to roll the 2nd serve in and know damn well that Fed will just caress it back.

 

[smoledman]

The irony is after Fed's serving masterclass against Murray and everyone praising him for it really didn't realise that it was actually the other part of the game of where Federer needed to excel to win the match... eg.. receiving serve.Whether Federer served off his dial today or in 2014 it is totally irrelevant as what is/what was needed to beat Djokovic was to attack his serve and make the most of the break point opportunites.. which he didn't do.Federer serving well was merely a prerequisite to keep him in hunt to put him in a attacking position to win,but that's it... God knows how many times I said to myself 'Just pick a corner and hit it' when Fed had a 2nd serve coming his way from Novak whilst having a break point only to see him chip it and give Novak oodles of time to work it into play and dictate the rallies.Go for a winner and put pressure on his serve man.If you miss,fine... but that'll let Novak know that every time he serves a 2nd serve if it isn't deep or struck with authority he was going to pay for it.It also increases the pressure on Novak and creates a higher chance of him serving a double for going too much... but alas,Fed didn't and Novak was free to roll the 2nd serve in and know damn well that Fed will just caress it back.

I think Fed tried to smack some harder returns but kept missing most of them. He tried all kinds of returning tactics but nothing ever worked consistently. Credit to Novak for having a better 2nd serve than Murray.

 

[Down_the_line]

Sad thing is nobody will remember the Murray match because Fed didn't win the final. Nobody remembers those matches.

Yeah, but people will remember that Federer reached his TENTH Wimbledon final at the age of 33.

I wanted title #8 so badly though. For now he's still stuck in that 3-way tie with Renshaw and Sampras.

 

[laughingcavalier]

His game is alright, for this stage of his career, but I believe he played a bad match tactically today. If we're comparing his current game to his past game, he still has all his tennis talent and has greater experience but he's lost a lot in terms of mobility and physicality over the long haul. But what tennis player is better physically when they are 33 compared to when they were 23.

Totally agree.He's isn't going to ever out rally Novak and needs to realise that the only way he can beat Novak is to serve really well and play high attacking tennis like he does at Dubai.Put Novak on the back foot.Don't pitter patter the ball back into rallies because that's Novak's bread and butter and he'll do that all day and work you over.Futhermore,everytime Fed gets into a rally he's then forced to cover his backhand side bigtime leaving a huge chunk of space for Novak to hit down the line and have Fed at full stretch on his forehand.... and that's where Fed has declined over the years,his movement... so he gets there late and can't do much as a result.However,that's what happens when you keep on getting into long rallies with Novak and hitting passively... you're just begging for a opening to be created and having your age/movement exploited which Novak does well particularly when he paints the lines.

 

[AngieB]

Yeah, but people will remember that Federer reached his TENTH Wimbledon final at the age of 33.

No they won't. Not unless he won it. #GirlBye

#GrannyIlluminati​

 

[smoledman]

At this point Fed needs to pray to be 10 years younger.

 

[fps]

I just watched some of 2003 YEC final highlights and man was Federer awesome or what? A human highlight machine. Same thing with 2004 US Open finals. Just taking guys to the woodshed.

Of course. He raised the bar for the next generation. It's very sad that the generation below Rafa, Novak and Andy are basically just waiting for the top guys to retire rather than seek a similar level themselves.

 

[ScottleeSV]

Sad thing is nobody will remember the Murray match because Fed didn't win the final. Nobody remembers those matches.

Speak for yourself, but the fans will remember, and he has lots of them.

I will certainly remember.

 

[zagor]

Sad thing is nobody will remember the Murray match because Fed didn't win the final. Nobody remembers those matches.

Tennis fans will, you won't.

 

[Mainad]

="smoledman, post: 9480478, member: 317771"]It was even more clear that the serve was not as effective against Djokovic as it was against Murray. 1st serves were coming back with interest and that was clearly un-nerving Roger.

That's mainly because he didn't serve nearly as well as he did against Murray. After he handed the break back in the 1st set, his first serve became very erratic. That never happened against Murray. Djokovic was able to get into many more of Federer's service games than Murray was able to do precisely for that reason.

 

[Rosstour]

As a Fed fan, watching him now is starting to feel a lot like watching post-peak Sampras. The slumping shoulders & bowed head after feebly netted backhands especially. I'm not the delusional fan who thinks he can still 'get it back' but he has to play the #s and stay as long as he can. It's really looking like he will outlast Rafa at this point.

If Fed is still playing like this in 2-3 years once the other Big 3 have declined themselves...what will happen?

 

[insideguy]

I guess this means Novak is a better grass player than Rafa now.

 

[Nitish]

That's mainly because he didn't serve nearly as well as he did against Murray. After he handed the break back in the 1st set, his first serve became very erratic. That never happened against Murray. Djokovic was able to get into many more of Federer's service games than Murray was able to do precisely for that reason.

I think Novak's return might have little to do with it,even good first serves were coming back with interest so maybe he went for little more and missed.Points won on first serve was around 85% against Murray but it was less than 75% against Novak. I do agree he didn't serve as well as he did against Murray.

 

[Mainad]

I guess this means Novak is a better grass player than Rafa now.

Novak has 3 grasscourt titles, Rafa has 4.

However, Novak's 3 titles are all Wimbledon ones compared to only 2 of Rafa's so I guess Novak wins!

 

[cc0509]

@Djokovic2011 Here is what Roger said about reaching a final as opposed to winning the trophy:

Matt Cronin‏@TennisReporters 2h2 hours ago Kingston upon Thames, London

Federer said very good 'but of course you sort of walk away empty handed. For me a finalist trophy is not the same. Everybody knows that'

https://twitter.com/TennisReporters/status/620289837485195265

Only dumbos like you think a final is as good as the title.

 

[AngieB]

@Djokovic2011 Here is what Roger said about reaching a final as opposed to winning the trophy:

Matt Cronin‏@TennisReporters 2h2 hours ago Kingston upon Thames, London

Federer said very good 'but of course you sort of walk away empty handed. For me a finalist trophy is not the same. Everybody knows that'

https://twitter.com/TennisReporters/status/620289837485195265

Only dumbos like you think a final is as good as the title.

I've tried explaining this to the kids but they don't listen. I guess maybe it will take them hearing it from their God's mouth. #GirlBye

#GrannyIlluminati​

 

[smoledman]

My takeaway from the RF presser is he said it's "normal to lose to #1 in the final, but he doesn't accept it". Read between the lines, he's very pissed by this result and he's going to do something about it very soon.

 

[Djokovic2011]

@Djokovic2011 Here is what Roger said about reaching a final as opposed to winning the trophy:

Matt Cronin‏@TennisReporters 2h2 hours ago Kingston upon Thames, London

Federer said very good 'but of course you sort of walk away empty handed. For me a finalist trophy is not the same. Everybody knows that'

https://twitter.com/TennisReporters/status/620289837485195265

Only dumbos like you think a final is as good as the title.

I never said that a final is as good as a title ccO! Anyway I'm too happy to care right now.

 

[LoboLaw1984]

That was one of the most depressing Wimbledon finals I have ever seen.

 

[cc0509]

I never said that a final is as good as a title ccO! Anyway I'm too happy to care right now.

How many times have you posted that making a final is noteworthy? For these all time greats, not so much.

Congrats to you. Djokovic played superbly and deserved it.

 

[Djokodal Fan]

Great win for Djokovic and congrats to all of us djokovic fans. After the FO heartbreak, djoker gives us something to celebrate (but that pain still lurks)

Congrats to all Classy fed fans as well. I hope he gets a sniff at Wimbledon next year and not run into Novak again. As much as I want Fed to win today, I also wanted Novak to win this Wimbledon. The best man won.

 

[snowwhite]

Finals of 2007, 2008, 2009, 2014, 2015 had two sets ended in tie break
and they hugely affect the outcome of result
Federer used to have a good shot in taking the advantage of tie break sets
I prefer it this way, each player have one of those sets, ,it's more fair

 

[smoledman]

That was one of the most depressing Wimbledon finals I have ever seen.

It's always depressing to see a great champion not able to summon his powers due to aging.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Yeah, but people will remember that Federer reached his TENTH Wimbledon final at the age of 33.

I wanted title #8 so badly though. For now he's still stuck in that 3-way tie with Renshaw and Sampras.

Yes, people will remember that Federer has now played in ten Wimbledon finals. A truly epic accomplishment to play in the title match at Wimbledon 10 times! Greatest ever there!

 

[Djokovic2011]

How many times have you posted that making a final is noteworthy? For these all time greats, not so much.

Congrats to you. Djokovic played superbly and deserved it.

All I've ever said is that winning six best of 5 matches and earning 1200 points ain't exactly peanuts. Anyway thanks for your kind words mate - and you can't knock Novak anymore for only having one multi-slam season!

 

[Down_the_line]

All I've ever said is that winning six best of 5 matches and earning 1200 points ain't exactly peanuts. Anyway thanks for your kind words mate - and you can't knock Novak anymore for only having one multi-slam season!

What are your thoughts on the Rogers Cup? You think Djokovic can go 5 for 5 in Masters 1000 events so far this year?

 

[cc0509]

All I've ever said is that winning six best of 5 matches and earning 1200 points ain't exactly peanuts. Anyway thanks for your kind words mate - and you can't knock Novak anymore for only having one multi-slam season!

Nope. He did good.

 

[Down_the_line]

@Djokovic2011 Here is what Roger said about reaching a final as opposed to winning the trophy:

Matt Cronin‏@TennisReporters 2h2 hours ago Kingston upon Thames, London

Federer said very good 'but of course you sort of walk away empty handed. For me a finalist trophy is not the same. Everybody knows that'

https://twitter.com/TennisReporters/status/620289837485195265

Only dumbos like you think a final is as good as the title.

Nobody is saying a final is as good as a title. We're saying that the number of finals played is a great accomplishment and Federer isn't necessarily saying in that quote that it isn't. He's just saying it's not as good as the title. No ****.

 

[West Coast Ace]

It was even more clear that the serve was not as effective against Djokovic as it was against Murray. 1st serves were coming back with interest and that was clearly un-nerving Roger.

Yeah, Djokovic solidified his claim to GOAT returner.

Fed could have/should have attacked more; may not have mattered. Also should have hit the short slice to force Djokovic to come to net - AND force him to volley - still not that good.

But great job with 3rd W and 9th overall.

 

[Djokovic2011]

What are your thoughts on the Rogers Cup? You think Djokovic can go 5 for 5 in Masters 1000 events so far this year?

Lol, let's cross that bridge when we come to it. I'm still soaking up Novak's win today!

 

[Down_the_line]

Lol, let's cross that bridge when we come to it. I'm still soaking up Novak's win today!

Lol, fair enough. I'll let you get back to me on that!