2015 Wimbledon Final - [1] Novak Djokovic vs. [2] Roger Federer
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zagor
Bionic Poster
Do you think Fed has another great run in him for a chance to grab #18 (not at Wimbledon necessarilly, maybe USO)?
Down_the_line
G.O.A.T.
I have a feeling he'll skip it. I read a tweet that said he's going to make some decisions in the next 10 to 12 days about his schedule for the rest of the season. Usually when you hear something like that it signifies some "re-assessing" going on.
Other than that, not much to base it on. Just a feeling. He'll definitely return to defend his title in Cincinnati, though.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
For me, that remains 1998. Goran Ivanisevic was bordering on suicidal after the match.
smoledman
G.O.A.T.
I just looked up the US Open schedule. No more "Stupid Saturday". Friday semifinals and Sunday final. So it's indeed possible for Roger to win it just based on scheduling alone.
LoboLaw1984
Rookie
I think his best chance after Wimbledon is the USO, but his chances of winning another major will go down exponentially if he doesn't do it really damn soon.
LoboLaw1984
Rookie
Yeah, even though I was rooting for Novak against Rafa at FO, I still felt bad seeing him get crushed out there - shadow of his former self.
smoledman
G.O.A.T.
Not that Roger was "a shell of his former self" today like Nadal in that QF a month ago, but he's getting close to that tipping point.
LoboLaw1984
Rookie
Yeah he better do something soon
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Fed really wasn't hitting his spots nearly as well today.
Emiliano55
Professional
Disappointing performance from Roger today. He looked so tense and nervious in the key moments. A lot of UEs, silly decisions and he wasn't smart enough to use more variety in his game instead of going hit by hit against Djokovic.
Despite knowing Djokovic was going to win it, I was expecting a better performance from him today, honestly. I think Novak played solid, but he didn't played as well as he did in the last year final. It's just that Roger gifted too many bad decisions and made him everyhing easier.
It's really a shame he has to retire after losing 2 consecutive Wimbledon finals. I don't really think he ever make another Slam final. And he kind of let that know in his Presser.
Despite knowing Djokovic was going to win it, I was expecting a better performance from him today, honestly. I think Novak played solid, but he didn't played as well as he did in the last year final. It's just that Roger gifted too many bad decisions and made him everyhing easier.
It's really a shame he has to retire after losing 2 consecutive Wimbledon finals. I don't really think he ever make another Slam final. And he kind of let that know in his Presser.
mightyrick
Legend
I'm not so sure about that. Guess how old Djokovic is now 28? That puts him at 29 for the next French Open and Wimbledon. As we've seen from all of the recent greats, the initial decline is fast and furious. It takes these guys awhile to come to grips with their new physical limitations and then come back for a resurgence.
I truly think Federer might steal one next year if Djokovic's light starts to fade even a little bit. I think Federer has plateaued in some ways, but he seems to keep adding different facets to his game as he ages. He could easily do it if Djokovic starts any kind of a decline. Keep in mind that outside of Nadal... Djokovic plays the most physical style of game out there. His decline isn't going to be gentle, either.
Who would stop Federer if Djokovic lost a step? Murray? Berdych? Wawrinka? No way, we all know the answer to that.
Outside of Djokovic, the only guy who potentially could beat Federer would be someone like Isner. Because of Davis Cup and some of his Masters finishes, Isner has proven that he can put together two or three excellent sets of serving. Outside of that possibility, I don't see anyone else having a chance.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
tlm
G.O.A.T.
It's hilarious how many fed lovers were actually thinking fed had a chance of winning the final. I will give him credit for making it and taking out Murray. But please this match was a joke, there was no way in hell old man fed was going to take 3 sets off joker. He was lucky that that joker pulled one of his choke jobs in the 2nd otherwise it was a routine straight set win.
I will give fed credit for still playing good at his age but he has no chance of taking 3 sets in a major against joker. It does show with rafa fading and Murray a head case there is not much competition for joker. He is getting off easy. I am sorry but these titles off old man fed don't mean much. Where was he when fed was in his prime? I can only remember him taking fed out at AO years back when fed was playing at his peak level.
I will give fed credit for still playing good at his age but he has no chance of taking 3 sets in a major against joker. It does show with rafa fading and Murray a head case there is not much competition for joker. He is getting off easy. I am sorry but these titles off old man fed don't mean much. Where was he when fed was in his prime? I can only remember him taking fed out at AO years back when fed was playing at his peak level.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Federer is the GOAT. Ok I said it now do not let that go to your head @Nathaniel_Near. 
tlm
G.O.A.T.
You are the one that is being silly, his only chance was if joker got hurt. If not for joker crapping down his leg in the 2nd set this was a routine straight set win.
tlm
G.O.A.T.
Joker had at least 6 set points in the tiebreak and blew it. I don't need any ifs because this match was never in doubt. No way old man fed had any chance of winning this other than joker getting injured. We have seen this movie before and I already knew what the ending would be.
With hindsight, the result of the match is always an absolute certainty. But Federer was only a 35/65 underdog, none of that 0/100 nonsense. The first two sets could have gone either way; both players lost multiple set point opportunities, but you only give credit to Djokovic's opportunities. We could just as easily say that if not for Federer crapping his pants in the first, he would have been up two sets to love. Djokovic has been known to have mental letdowns when he is the favorite in slams; it is nothing new.
I picked Djoko in 4, but it was always going to be a tight match decided by a couple big points per set.
tlm
G.O.A.T.
Ya the last 2 sets looked really tight. LOL. Fed can battle for a while and I give him credit for still playing as good as he is at his age but please he is not going to go the distance and win off joker. When is the last time he has won a final against joker at a major?
tlm
G.O.A.T.
I didn't waste my time watching this entire match just checked it out off and on. Once joker went up in the 3rd set I knew it was over. Then I turned it back on at the end of the fourth set to see the same old same old.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
First off:
Congrats to Djoko and his fans.
He found the right time to play his best match of the tournament and he played very, very well.
Secondly, I'm quite disappointed. Not just by 18 not happening, but by the way it didn't happen.
Aside from the 2nd set TB, Fed was unclutch to an extent he rarely is vs. Djoko, whereas Djoko was superclutch throughout the match.
It's one thing to not find the level from the Murray-match (which would have been quite a feed) or from the tournament as a whole (but that's more difficult to evaluate given the difference in level of opposition), but it's another to miss opportunities the way he did.
First set, get's the break, he's playing better - what does he do? Miss the easiest of volleys on the first points, hardly finds a first serve all game and get's broken right back.
And didn't he have another chance or two to break in a game before the TB? Iirc, there were chances, where Djoko didn't ace him.
Third set, just won the pivotal 2nd set. Saves BP's in spendid fashion, get's BP, get's into the rally trading massive forehands instead of going up the line. When he does attempt that, he finds the top of the net.
Next game? Get's broken by what I would call the worst error from both players all match. That was a sitter forehand if there ever was one.
Overall, he put waaayyy too many forehands (and backhands) into the net that didn't need go into the net, sometimes by bad errors, sometimes by going for shots he wasn't in a position to make.
He also shanked more than I've seen him shank the entire tournament combined (courtesy to the latter thing just above, the wind and Djoko getting the ball deep with pace)
He was overall great at the net, groundies so and so, but not as good as they needed to be and the serve wasn't as sharp as it has been all tournament and he made rare and costly DF's at awful times (partially due to Djoko of course). The ROS was okay, I guess, but again - Djoko played the BP's clutch, Fed didn't play anything but the 2nd set TB clutch.
On Djoko.
Wow. What a time to find his best form. Served as well or better than Fed (who would have expected that?), made some stunning passing shots, was horrible at his lob attempts, but great at tracking down DS's and very, very solid throughout.
He wasn't faced by not winning the 2nd (knowing a long match would still be in his favor), got to BP's immediately, didn't get them, wasn't faced and just soldiering on - getting the breaks, playing more aggressively and just not letting Fed back in.
The few times Fed got a 0-30 in the last two sets, Djoko (and Fed) was quick to close it down.
I found it extremely impressive he was able to come back like this twice in a row after losing at the French.
So congrats to Novak, he was the better player.
But I cannot help but wondering what kind of match it would have been had Fed been able to win that first set (a first set he always needs vs. Novak), where he actually was the better player, TB aside.
And I cannot help but being very frustrated by Fed not producing his best in his last best chance of another slam.
Is it the mental pressure of needing to peak twice in a row? The wind messing with his precision and timing? Novak putting too much pressure on him? Or just not his day?
Either way, congrats to Novak + his fans.
(and sorry for the essay).
Congrats to Djoko and his fans.
He found the right time to play his best match of the tournament and he played very, very well.
Secondly, I'm quite disappointed. Not just by 18 not happening, but by the way it didn't happen.
Aside from the 2nd set TB, Fed was unclutch to an extent he rarely is vs. Djoko, whereas Djoko was superclutch throughout the match.
It's one thing to not find the level from the Murray-match (which would have been quite a feed) or from the tournament as a whole (but that's more difficult to evaluate given the difference in level of opposition), but it's another to miss opportunities the way he did.
First set, get's the break, he's playing better - what does he do? Miss the easiest of volleys on the first points, hardly finds a first serve all game and get's broken right back.
And didn't he have another chance or two to break in a game before the TB? Iirc, there were chances, where Djoko didn't ace him.
Third set, just won the pivotal 2nd set. Saves BP's in spendid fashion, get's BP, get's into the rally trading massive forehands instead of going up the line. When he does attempt that, he finds the top of the net.
Next game? Get's broken by what I would call the worst error from both players all match. That was a sitter forehand if there ever was one.
Overall, he put waaayyy too many forehands (and backhands) into the net that didn't need go into the net, sometimes by bad errors, sometimes by going for shots he wasn't in a position to make.
He also shanked more than I've seen him shank the entire tournament combined (courtesy to the latter thing just above, the wind and Djoko getting the ball deep with pace)
He was overall great at the net, groundies so and so, but not as good as they needed to be and the serve wasn't as sharp as it has been all tournament and he made rare and costly DF's at awful times (partially due to Djoko of course). The ROS was okay, I guess, but again - Djoko played the BP's clutch, Fed didn't play anything but the 2nd set TB clutch.
On Djoko.
Wow. What a time to find his best form. Served as well or better than Fed (who would have expected that?), made some stunning passing shots, was horrible at his lob attempts, but great at tracking down DS's and very, very solid throughout.
He wasn't faced by not winning the 2nd (knowing a long match would still be in his favor), got to BP's immediately, didn't get them, wasn't faced and just soldiering on - getting the breaks, playing more aggressively and just not letting Fed back in.
The few times Fed got a 0-30 in the last two sets, Djoko (and Fed) was quick to close it down.
I found it extremely impressive he was able to come back like this twice in a row after losing at the French.
So congrats to Novak, he was the better player.
But I cannot help but wondering what kind of match it would have been had Fed been able to win that first set (a first set he always needs vs. Novak), where he actually was the better player, TB aside.
And I cannot help but being very frustrated by Fed not producing his best in his last best chance of another slam.
Is it the mental pressure of needing to peak twice in a row? The wind messing with his precision and timing? Novak putting too much pressure on him? Or just not his day?
Either way, congrats to Novak + his fans.
(and sorry for the essay).
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
lol if Fed won the 1st set he prob would have won in straights. yes forgone conclusion. Old man Fed. Sure thing there. What do they say? Cool story Bro.
tlm
G.O.A.T.
My comments are spot on just because I am living in reality and you are in fantasyland. Everyone has seen this same movie multiple times in the last few years and it always ends the same. What's to funny is all the fed lovers the last couple days on this site going through all these different scenario's of how fed can actually win this match. Now that was some hilarious reading, but hey just keep convincing yourself so that you think you are being taking seriously. LOL
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
I never tire of hearing you say that Hitman!Can I say it?
The reigning...defending...undisputed...heavyweight...ATP mens singles number one player of the world...Novak...Djokovic!
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
If you think peak Fed was in 2008, you know nothing about Fed. His peak was 204-2007. In addition, your memory is errant, because when Djoker took out Fed in 2008, Fed was suffering from mono.
N
Nathaniel_Near
Guest
Federer is the GOAT. Ok I said it now do not let that go to your head @Nathaniel_Near.
Hmm I don't really consider Fed GOAT. I just have a list of players at the top really... which Nole will be added to in a couple of years.
rh310
Hall of Fame
Yes, and this is why I think this loss will hit him hard. He's been working really hard on improving, and he's taken his magnificent talent as far as his age will let him go. I think he realizes that this Wimbledon was his best remaining shot, and as you say they'll get more unlikely as time goes on.
It's a pity to see him come short, because to my mind he really is a once-in-a-lifetime talent -- but nobody beats the clock.
zagor
Bionic Poster
I agree with tlm to a degree, my impression is that Novak was outplaying Fed for the large portion of the match while Fed was scrambling and struggling to hold on. He gutted out one set but that's about it, Novak was putting tremendous pressure on him from the baseline and on the return.
Of course the key was the 1st and that is somewhat on Fed but after that I didn't really feel like Fed was the better player throughout the rest of the match.
Of course the key was the 1st and that is somewhat on Fed but after that I didn't really feel like Fed was the better player throughout the rest of the match.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Looking back at the match and it sucked. Novak was just better on serve and the big points. Idk why Roger gets tight at times.
Anyone think sampras would have blown this match in key situations like this? The 3rd set just drives me crazy.
Anyone think sampras would have blown this match in key situations like this? The 3rd set just drives me crazy.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Fed had his moments and blew them. Thats how i see this match. It comes down to 1 through 4 points to win a match
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
GOAT in numbers and longevity. I also put him in the top group where each could beat each other on any given day. The goat I think gets misconstrued as being this player who would never ever lose and is invincible. Not.
N
Nathaniel_Near
Guest
"Pomperer"? "Twilighterer"? Hahaha, you absolutely crack me up Nathaniel!!
I'm glad to help.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
This is pretty much how I saw the match too:
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2015/07/punching-back/55610/#.VaLvTu3tmko (Tignor)
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2015/07/punching-back/55610/#.VaLvTu3tmko (Tignor)
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic was getting to insane shots and sending back winners. That one in the first set where he slid off court and angled it around the net post into the corner was insane. Nothing Federer could do.
N
Nathaniel_Near
Guest
Djokovic played with the sort of courage and fearlessness that he needs to bring to all his Slam semis/finals. There's no reason why he can't go on a run now of winning a few finals in a row (not necessarily all consecutively, but a string of finals wins). He's shown at the last two Wimbledons and the 2015 AO that he knows how to peak for the finale. That sort of form is hard to topple.
rh310
Hall of Fame
I saw Sampras blow plenty of matches before he won his final USO. Just not too many at the slams outside of the French.
It's an incredible amount of courage that Federer has shown over the past few years, restructuring his game. And due to his crazy desire and talent, he's the freaking #2 player in the world, still.
Sampras didn't have the heart in him to do what Federer has done. He lucked out against a flat Agassi in that final USO match, and slipped out the back door instead of paying the check.
3fees
G.O.A.T.
Congrats to Djokovic and BLNT Federer, they are 20-20 win/loss department, I picked him to win 3 sets, shutout, went to 4, how disappointing. I was at work and seen the last two games, Djokovic served notice when hit the back winner off the first serve that breaking serve was on his list of things to do to Wimbledon Title-Back to Back.
Like I told you tennis peeps, The Big Points are on Nole Side.
Federer fans should be happy 2nd Place is an achievement at slam--Way up there.
Cheers
3fees
Like I told you tennis peeps, The Big Points are on Nole Side.
Federer fans should be happy 2nd Place is an achievement at slam--Way up there.
Cheers
3fees
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
I figure this is as good as place as any to say this now:
I might not be around much the next month or so. This run from when the clay season starts to when Wimbledon ends is the peak of the season for me. When no real big tournaments are playing I don't post as much. I also find slams pretty long these days. I'm actually kind of starting to prefer the tennis that gets played in the masters events even though the prestige is nowhere near as high as in slams.
That said, congrats again to Novak. See you all again for the Rogers Cup. Might drop in sporadically in between.
I might not be around much the next month or so. This run from when the clay season starts to when Wimbledon ends is the peak of the season for me. When no real big tournaments are playing I don't post as much. I also find slams pretty long these days. I'm actually kind of starting to prefer the tennis that gets played in the masters events even though the prestige is nowhere near as high as in slams.
That said, congrats again to Novak. See you all again for the Rogers Cup. Might drop in sporadically in between.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
By now, Djoko's prevented Fed from at least as many slams as he's prevented Rafa from. Probably 1-2 more. I'd say, beers are on Djoko.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
Enjoy going off the grit.
I'll do some of that too as my July is pretty full and there aren't much tennis being played and, not to forget, this place usually does suc* quite a bit from my perspective after a big Fed loss.
KK Partizan
Rookie
We agree to disagree.
Still proud of Roger! Congrats to Novak who is clearly the best player in the world right now!
The only thing that stinks about this is that I really wanted Roger to have the open era record at Wimby titles but somethings are not meant to be. Oh well, he is still making millions while I slave like a dog. So, some perspective is needed.
The only thing that stinks about this is that I really wanted Roger to have the open era record at Wimby titles but somethings are not meant to be. Oh well, he is still making millions while I slave like a dog. So, some perspective is needed.
K
King Fed WW
Guest
Another thing that should pointed out is the conditions. It was playing slow today.
I don't mean in terms of the victory but in terms of criticizing Fed's performance.
Plus, Brain Game Analysis http://t.co/gycctyZNem
Also, I knew he would be supporting Fed.
I don't mean in terms of the victory but in terms of criticizing Fed's performance.
Plus, Brain Game Analysis http://t.co/gycctyZNem
Also, I knew he would be supporting Fed.
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