2015 WTA Finals

[Pagoo]

Please forgive my final rant:
But this is like Berdych or Ferrer winning the WTF. Just weird.

Next season, Aga won't do anything. Won't win a slam, premier 5, nothing.
Then in October she will play all the tournaments, qualify for Singapore and maybe get lucky again.

OK, I am done.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Best match she's ever played? Hmm, I feel her best match ever was against Halep

 

[Pagoo]

53 UE Kvitova
5 UE Radwanska
LOL!

Wow. In a three-set match? Very bad!

 

[reaper]

Please forgive my final rant:
But this is like Berdych or Ferrer winning the WTF. Just weird.

Next season, Aga won't do anything. Won't win a slam, premier 5, nothing.
Then in October she will play all the tournaments, qualify for Singapore and maybe get lucky again.

OK, I am done.

Or like Nalbandian winning the WTF...

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Please forgive my final rant:
But this is like Berdych or Ferrer winning the WTF. Just weird.

Next season, Aga won't do anything. Won't win a slam, premier 5, nothing.
Then in October she will play all the tournaments, qualify for Singapore and maybe get lucky again.

OK, I am done.

Hey you were saying all of what I was saying a few pages back Where were you to back me up?
Ah she played well in the end though. First time a player has won the YEC despite being 1-2 in RR.

 

[Terenigma]

So happy for Radwansa to win here. Shes one of my fave wta players and its about time she won something big for once. Still waiting on a slam for her tho, maybe this year now Serena seems to mentaally done?

 

[Aussie Darcy]

So happy for Radwansa to win here. Shes one of my fave wta players and its about time she won something big for once. Still waiting on a slam for her tho, maybe this year now Serena seems to mentaally done?

Wimbledon seems to be her best slam and she's shown she can beat the Wimbledon Queen (Kvitova). All depends on how Serena plays the tournament though. But hopefully 2016 could be her year

 

[Dolgopolov85]

Great match, could have been better had Kvitty not helped Aga out so much with errors. But the errors also partly came from Aga making her hit one more ball. The slow pace of the court didn't help for sure. But we saw Kvitova beat Sharapova in straights in the semi. So it's also about how well Aga used the slice to exploit Kvitova's poor footwork and movement, making her reach for low balls rather than really get to them. And Aga's running lobs were brilliantly placed.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

The last slamless player to win the YEC was Mauresmo. What happened the year after she won? She took out the Aus Open and Wimbledon. Good luck to Aga!

 

[Aussie Darcy]

After the French Open, Agnieszka Radwanska was in *26th* in Race to Singapore (one spot behind Madison Brengle). Now she's the Singapore champ! Wow

Credit to Ben Rothenberg twitter btw

 

[Pagoo]

It would be good if Kvitova learnt a lesson. But, I doubt it.
Next match, she will come out with the same strategy.
Lady has so much talent, but too many flaws in her game.

 

[Pagoo]

Lol, Just saw the poll. Radwanska had zero vote. Ironic!
@PDJ, you must be pleased.

 

[PDJ]

Lol, Just saw the poll. Radwanska had zero vote. Ironic!
@PDJ, you must be pleased.

I'm very pleased.
I was delighted that Hingis/Mirza won and Radwanska's win is the icing on the cake.

 

[HRB]

There is only one way to describe this year's championship: "The Serena gifts WTA finals to other players championship of 2015" let's face it. Hell, did you see how relaxed and free my beloved Masha played without the fear of the GOAT!

Also there is only one analysis needed to break down the actually final....Petra Kvitova beats PETRA KVITOVA, giving the championship to the lucky survivor on the other side of the net...Aga.

Tennis is all about match up's, and in Aggression and Power vs Aggression and Power, Petra thrives, hence her beating Maria. In Aggression and Power vs Survive and wait for opponents error...Petra is at a disadvantage and vulnerable. Maria's head is better for that task, and would have smoked Aga...oh well.

Good for Aga, by all accounts a super sweet and well liked girl. I hate her game, but I respect it. It's the game that gives me fits myself, I'm fine going head to head with a offense first opponent all day over the survivors.

 

[cc0509]

After the French Open, Agnieszka Radwanska was in *26th* in Race to Singapore (one spot behind Madison Brengle). Now she's the Singapore champ! Wow

Credit to Ben Rothenberg twitter btw

There you go Aussie Darcy, Radwanska beat Muguruza and Kvitova. Is she a worthy title holder now for you? She did a good job beating those two power players. I'll tell you one thing, whether one is a fan of Radwanska or not, the girl's got game. She really does have a high tennis IQ and has so much variety. She is a unique player in the top ten with her style as opposed to most of the ball bashers. Halep isn't a ball basher but IMO Radwanska is more talented than Halep.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Lol, Just saw the poll. Radwanska had zero vote. Ironic!
@PDJ, you must be pleased.

I'm very pleased.
I was delighted that Hingis/Mirza won and Radwanska's win is the icing on the cake.

PDJ has been pleased since Kerber was knocked out. Been a good week for him

 

[PDJ]

Please put me on your ignore list. Nobody likes you. When PDJ, one of the nicest posters on here, doesn't have time for you, you know you're really bad!
I'm not here to chat with you. Please go trouble someone else.
It's pretty clear you exist just to be annoying.

Other people express their opinions on here. I don't go around quoting everyone that I disagree with and acting like a smartass.
It's easy to be a badass troll on the internet.

Ain't nobody got time for that! Good day!

Ah! Thank you.
I actually don't think Levi is a bad guy he just likes to get a reaction. Don't give him one. He'll soon get bored and microwave his meal for one

 

[Terenigma]

http://www.flashscore.com/match/ETLvhojc/#match-statistics;0

Look at unforced errors in the "points" section. I wont explain why, just look.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

There you go Aussie Darcy, Radwanska beat Muguruza and Kvitova. Is she a worthy title holder now for you? She did a good job beating those two power players. I'll tell you one thing, whether one is a fan of Radwanska or not, the girl's got game. She really does have a high tennis IQ and has so much variety. She is a unique player in the top ten with her style as opposed to most of the ball bashers. Halep isn't a ball basher but IMO Radwanska is more talented than Halep.

Worthy of the title? Mmm no. But I'm happy for her. She played a fantastic match in the SF and the final and I guess that's all that counts
Hopefully she has a good 2016!

 

[PDJ]

PDJ has been pleased since Kerber was knocked out. Been a good week for him

And Serena didn't play. It was better than perfect

 

[Pagoo]

And Serena didn't play. It was better than perfect

Okay, let's not spoil a harmonious chat now.
You know Serena is my girl.

 

[PDJ]

Okay, let's not spoil a harmonious chat now.
You know Serena is my girl.

I know. But I don't hold it against you..... or the mighty @Vanhool

 

[Pagoo]

I know. But I don't hold it against you..... or the mighty @Vanhool

Thanks. Appreciate the generosity of spirit!

 

[mike danny]

Or like Nalbandian winning the WTF...

Radwanska was luckier than Nalbandian. Nalby lost only 1 match to win the WTF. And he lost it only to Federer.

 

[boredone3456]

Firstly, good for Radnwanska. This time of year is always her best save for Wimbledon. Her game suits these courts and I'm glad she won and showed a bunch of people she can win a big tournament.

Both Mauresmo and Clijsters won this tournament when they were majorless as well (and no I am not saying Aga is as good as them so don't even start trolling me for that) and later went on the win majors, maybe Aga can do the same. Serena can't keep playing forever, and Aga has proven she can everyone else when her head is on straight except maybe Vika...so maybe she can use this as a stepping stone. Even if she doesnt, she deserves some credit for winning when it counted and toughing out 2 matches against 2 solid players to win the tournament.

If you don't like the format, fine that's your right, but that's the format we have until the tour decides to change it...and since they changed it FROM a knockout format I don't see then changing it back....least not soon anyway since they just changed the woman's doubles to a round robin for the first time ever.

Either way, Radwanska won. Maybe if she had won the 3rd against Sharapova people wouldn't be jumping down her throat about it so much.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

We didn't ask for Williams sisters. This thread is about WTA finals where Serena refused to play. You have to wait until 2016 to continue trolling about the Williams family.

...and your adversarial reply accomplishes what?

B-Team? Kvitova has won two slams and also a YEC. That's as good as Masha has managed in the same period, i.e, 2011-2015.

But that' cherry picking to create a framework where Kvitova can be elevated from the alleged B-Team. However, if you want to really compare the two, Sharapova still comes out the better player, since she was able to win at the French Open--a major her game routinely failed at / was never suited for (in the way her game was established), but she modified her game to win there. Now, she's considered a genuine threat at the FO, but Kvitova? Other than Wimbledon, she's still a non-factor at all other majors.

So, tell me, who appears to be the stronger player in the 2011-15 years you mention?

Same as Azarenka except Azarenka doesn't have a YEC. Whose fault is it supposed to be if the American tennis contingent still banks solely on Serena? Personally, I think this match has the potential to be extremely interesting...for those who don't think tennis is just a ball bashing game.

...the same, tired myth which is a shot a players you do not like. Just as I pointed out to Brian yesterday.

Radwanska has won nothing notable in 2015 and I think it's a complete farce. You're not going to sway how I feel about this.

...and you should not be swayed. Think of it, some of the same "fans" who inflate Radwanska criticize Muguruza, who was a believable Wimbledon finalist, or comeback Vika--who was strong at several majors, yet Radwanska is given constant cover/support, and never held to the same standard.

No one else in the world has the game to consistently defeat #Serena. Every now and then some lucky girl who speaks poor English beats #Serena. Her name isn't #Petra.

...Angie​

That much is certain.

 

[tennisenthusiast]

what.a.joke.

 

[Man of steel]

Wimbledon seems to be her best slam and she's shown she can beat the Wimbledon Queen (Kvitova). All depends on how Serena plays the tournament though. But hopefully 2016 could be her year

That title still reserved for 2 other players who's last names are williams

 

[Man of steel]

So happy for Radwansa to win here. Shes one of my fave wta players and its about time she won something big for once. Still waiting on a slam for her tho, maybe this year now Serena seems to mentaally done?

Lol olympic year? Serena mentally done?
Oh how very wrong you are

 

[Nostradamus]

MOST boring tournament of the year won by most boring player of the century.............

 

[Dolgopolov85]

However, if you want to really compare the two, Sharapova still comes out the better player, since she was able to win at the French Open--a major her game routinely failed at / was never suited for (in the way her game was established), but she modified her game to win there. Now, she's considered a genuine threat at the FO, but Kvitova? Other than Wimbledon, she's still a non-factor at all other majors.

How is it any different? Sharapova hasn't won majors at the other slams either. And it's not only Serena who's stopped her at the slams. One time it was Kvitty, the other it was Azarenka. Kvitova has done no worse than Sharapova or Azarenka in the period I cited. That period was not cherry picked, it was the period in which she broke through. I never said Kvitova is overall as good a player as Sharapova, but in that period her achievements are more or less on par with Sharapova. If you want to say the A team of WTA is just Serena, fine. But continuing to elevate Sharapova above the level of the rest of the field is just relying entirely on her reputation and nothing more.

...the same, tired myth which is a shot a players you do not like. Just as I pointed out to Brian yesterday.

It's not a myth. There was more net rushing, more lobs and more slices in this match than your typical WTA match and you know it. Mostly Radwanska but Kvitova too produced some great slices...probably forced to do so by Radwanska's tactics. Except for Wozniacki or Errani, most of the matches involving the so called pushers tend to be quite interesting. Because what is characterised as pushing these days in women's tennis is just a derisive word for solid, tactically sound tennis coined probably by attention deprived watchers who want 'spectaculaah' on every point.

 

[sumithar]

53 UE Kvitova
5 UE Radwanska
LOL!

I think all the points in that final game were UEs. Even in yesterday's match Garbine had UE after UE especially on FH.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

How is it any different? Sharapova hasn't won majors at the other slams either. And it's not only Serena who's stopped her at the slams. One time it was Kvitty, the other it was Azarenka. Kvitova has done no worse than Sharapova or Azarenka in the period I cited. That period was not cherry picked, it was the period in which she broke through. I never said Kvitova is overall as good a player as Sharapova, but in that period her achievements are more or less on par with Sharapova. If you want to say the A team of WTA is just Serena, fine. But continuing to elevate Sharapova above the level of the rest of the field is just relying entirely on her reputation and nothing more.

Not at all. Its more impressive that one (Sharapova) thought to be a career non-factor at the French turns into a champion / expected front-runner from that point forward, than Kvitova's record. IF Kvitova won a U.S. Open title (her career-long worst major) in that time, they would be on an even level, since it would illustrate that Kvitova is doing the job tennis players are trained to do: win at every major. Her behavior (and the excuses some of her fans make, such as "she does not like the NY crowd" / "she can't deal with the heat," etc.) has not revealed a serious commitment to win at any major other than Wimbledon. Sharapova made that commitment, and it paid off.

It's not a myth.

Yes, it is a myth.

There was more net rushing, more lobs and more slices in this match than your typical WTA match and you know it. Mostly Radwanska but Kvitova too produced some great slices...probably forced to do so by Radwanska's tactics. Except for Wozniacki or Errani, most of the matches involving the so called pushers tend to be quite interesting. Because what is characterised as pushing these days in women's tennis is just a derisive word for solid, tactically sound tennis coined probably by attention deprived watchers who want 'spectaculaah' on every point.

Its funny that you mock those who you claim to want "spectaculah" on every point, as from my view, the kind of game you credit to Radwanska used to be spectacular--when played by those who were superior with that kind of game. She's not one of them, so perhaps that has much to do with her underwhelming status.

 

[kishnabe]

Aga finally wins something bigger than Miami/Indian wells.

 

[AngieB]

She is the 1st to win the WTA Finals without having won a grand slam title previously. #Splendid #EuroHistoricalAnomaly

...Angie​

 

[PDJ]

She is the 1st to win the WTA Finals without having won a grand slam title previously. #Splendid #EuroHistoricalAnomaly

...Angie​

Didn't Clijsters and Mauresmo win WTA Tour Finals before a slam title?
And was a pretty strong chance someone European would lift the trophy this year.......
And similarly for the Mens equivalent. ...

 

[jmnk]

[...]Please tell me the last time a player has won a HUGE title despite only winning THREE matches? Because that is what's happening at this tournament. ONE RR win, ONE SF win and the win in the final. That doesn't just go for Aga but for Kvitova as well. It is a complete farce.[...]

that's one way of looking at it. The other way: in what other tournament you need to play players ranked #2, #3, #4, #5 and #7 in a single week? And beat #2, #3, #5, and lose a tough three setter 7:5 in the final set against #4? well, never elsewhere...

 

[Brian11785]

I think the gist of this thread is.....you're never gonna please everybody. People are going to be negative nancies regardless.

#sowhatwhocares
#partyingwiththeGOAT
#soontobe5timefanfavorite

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

#partyingwiththeGOAT

#NoGOATinthatphoto.

 

[PDJ]

There's no GOAT in that photo.

But there is a CHAMPION in Radwanska
And also Navratilova who some consider the GOAT.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

Not at all. Its more impressive that one (Sharapova) thought to be a career non-factor at the French turns into a champion / expected front-runner from that point forward, than Kvitova's record. IF Kvitova won a U.S. Open title (her career-long worst major) in that time, they would be on an even level, since it would illustrate that Kvitova is doing the job tennis players are trained to do: win at every major. Her behavior (and the excuses some of her fans make, such as "she does not like the NY crowd" / "she can't deal with the heat," etc.) has not revealed a serious commitment to win at any major other than Wimbledon. Sharapova made that commitment, and it paid off.

Again, simply your interpretation which I don't agree with. You are really labouring to somehow disguise the fact that Sharapova while still a strong player is not quite the force she used to be. So much is apparent even from the tennis she played at the two RGs she won. She did play well in 2012, not so much in 2014. And she played far better to lose to Henin in 2010.

Yes, it is a myth.

You understand that simply repeating something like a broken record doesn't make it so? Back up your point with numbers and you have an argument. I mean, numbers from a typical WTA match of today because I can see where you might go with that given your next argument....

Its funny that you mock those who you claim to want "spectaculah" on every point, as from my view, the kind of game you credit to Radwanska used to be spectacular--when played by those who were superior with that kind of game. She's not one of them, so perhaps that has much to do with her underwhelming status.

Certainly, somebody like Hingis used to play a superior game with a somewhat similar philosophy. Only somewhat, there are lots of differences and I won't get into them here. I am talking about the current state of WTA. Yes, I do find it hilarious that people would crave for endless baseline slugging with very limited use of the finer shots of the game. We have even reached a point where not many of the women use the slice regularly and a "Strong is Beautiful" punchline doesn't paper over that. So how come the stronger counterparts on the ATP circuit still use all those shots I mentioned? Radwanska has a lot of variety and on a low bouncing surface she can use the slice to telling effect. She's underpowered but power is not the be all end all in tennis it's made out to be.

 

[Mainad]

Great win for Radwanska and the biggest title yet to add to her collection. After a poor start to the season, she really came good at the end.

There is now only 1 level higher for her to go...get onto that Slam scoreboard. If Flavia friggin' Pennetta can do it, so can she?

 

[AngieB]

Didn't Clijsters and Mauresmo win WTA Tour Finals before a slam title?
And was a pretty strong chance someone European would lift the trophy this year.......
And similarly for the Mens equivalent. ...

Yes, all of those European women were the only slamless YEC winners at the time they won. Radwanska is the only slamless winner. She is also from Europe.

...Angie​

 

[spystud]

What in the hell are we supposed to do for the next two months now?!

 

[fundrazer]

Or like Nalbandian winning the WTF...

They might have similar palmares, but Nalbandian was a much better player than Radwanska is.

 

[Brian11785]

They might have similar palmares, but Nalbandian was a much better player than Radwanska is.

And he is a much better player than any female who's ever played the game. So is every one of the current ATP Top 100.

What is your point?

 

[trader1499]

Nice win for her, but I think if Garbine didn't play doubles and actually had some rest, she may not have lost to someone that she beat in the last 4 meetings between them. Hopefully, doubles doesn't become a constant occurence at large tournaments. That spanking from Mirza/Hingis hopefully shows her to stick to singles.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Again, simply your interpretation which I don't agree with. You are really labouring to somehow disguise the fact that Sharapova while still a strong player is not quite the force she used to be. So much is apparent even from the tennis she played at the two RGs she won. She did play well in 2012, not so much in 2014. And she played far better to lose to Henin in 2010.

There's no laboring over the fact Sharapova was more impressive between the years you refer to (2011-15) than Kvitiova. Reason: Sharapova won two French Open titles in that time frame, with the key detail being her game was almost universally said to be a poor fit for the event. She lived up to her job and won there, becoming one of the current front runners there.

It is also a fact Kvitova continued her less than stellar meltdowns at the U.S. Open, and only plays like she has a clue at Wimbledon, but even that is on shaky ground.

You understand that simply repeating something like a broken record doesn't make it so?

Then you should understand why you and your ilk attacking players with the "basher" line over and over again does not make it true.

So how come the stronger counterparts on the ATP circuit still use all those shots I mentioned? Radwanska has a lot of variety and on a low bouncing surface she can use the slice to telling effect.

Telling? How telling was this alleged variety at the majors? By the way, it should be apparent that numerous singles players use the same shots (if you disagree, provide the evidence).

She's underpowered but power is not the be all end all in tennis it's made out to be.

So what is her excuse for not winning majors? It cannot be luck--since luck does not exist. Others being "too strong?" That would be a poor excuse, since she--like all players--know that strength is an important component of the game. Obviously, her overrated "crafty" game has not brought her to the winner's platform at the majors, so what is it?

#moreexcusesthanbiggestresults

 

[winstonlim8]

Glad that Aga won. I always liked her intelligent play.

 

[fundrazer]

And he is a much better player than any female who's ever played the game. So is every one of the current ATP Top 100.

What is your point?

I meant compared to the respective tours. He was a better player in men's game than she is in the women's game. Didn't think I needed to clarify that...