2016 Australian Open 1R: [5] Rafael Nadal vs Fernando Verdasco

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  • Rafa in 3

    Votes: 17 23.3%
  • Rafa in 4

    Votes: 20 27.4%
  • Rafa in 5

    Votes: 5 6.8%
  • Fernando in 3

    Votes: 3 4.1%
  • Fernando in 4

    Votes: 5 6.8%
  • Fernando in 5

    Votes: 23 31.5%

  • Total voters
    73

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
"That was the biggest issue for me today. I don't know a hundred percent the reason, to be honest. I was doing that good on the practices and the previous tournaments. Was not the case today." QUOTE from RAFA.......wow,,it saids it all.
 

maticftw

Semi-Pro
Thank you. Enough of this oh this latest guy just played so good nonsense. Jesus . Also oh rafa had a tough draw. He had a tough draw for him cause every damn draw is tough for him now. Verdasco did not play that good but when you freaking hit 70 mph loopers all day people who call themselves tennis players are going to hit it back hard. Nadal fans are blind.
You sir are on fire today:D
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Verdasco does deserve credit. Lots of it actually, but the tired old chestnut "he could've beaten anyone" is just that. Tired. When will people ever get tired of using it is the real question.
They're children (who don't play tennis - or at least not past a hit/giggle level) - so they'll never get tired of making excuses for Nadal.

Verdasco had a plan and executed very well. He deserves all the credit.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
They're children (who don't play tennis - or at least not past a hit/giggle level) - so they'll never get tired of making excuses for Nadal.

Verdasco had a plan and executed very well. He deserves all the credit.

Well, to be fair I don't play tennis either, but I do know the trademark Nadal fan excuse when I see it. :)
 

maticftw

Semi-Pro
They're children (who don't play tennis - or at least not past a hit/giggle level) - so they'll never get tired of making excuses for Nadal.

Verdasco had a plan and executed very well. He deserves all the credit.
Was his plan to see how many UEs he could hit but still win?
( Krum will catch the snitch but Ireland'll win)
 

mule250

Professional
Thank you. Enough of this oh this latest guy just played so good nonsense. Jesus . Also oh rafa had a tough draw. He had a tough draw for him cause every damn draw is tough for him now. Verdasco did not play that good but when you freaking hit 70 mph loopers all day people who call themselves tennis players are going to hit it back hard. Nadal fans are blind.
Yep. He was on fire in the 5th but for the most part the rest of the match was forgettable. Like someone said earlier, Nadal was probably losing to most of the top 30 and definitely all of the top 20.
 
He really allows these guys to play so well. Who wouldn't hit 90 winners when they're on the baseline hitting flat and Nadal is 3 feet behind the melbourne marquee? At the VERY least he needs to approach all HC matches like he does on grass and return serve on the baseline. From the first shot, he's at a disadvantage, and he doesn't realize he won't be able to rely on his speed and topspin anymore these days.
Aaaah..memories. I remember the thread I created (one of my very firsts - if not my very first) saying Rafa was not a good returner, pointing especially to how far back behind the baseline he stands on return. I remember the insults with which I was met.

To be vindicated is one of the best feelings in the world.

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flyingboris

Legend
"That was the biggest issue for me today. I don't know a hundred percent the reason, to be honest. I was doing that good on the practices and the previous tournaments. Was not the case today." QUOTE from RAFA.......wow,,it saids it all.
Full interview here. He definitely needs to fire his coach. His language coach!
 

mike84

Professional
I like the Verdasco had a plan theme.

Stand in the middle and make Nadal run around like lap dog from side to side.

You can deny it all you want but Nadal is making everyone look like best player to ever step on the court.

If you don't see a fault in strategy there then.....
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
It's not that Verdasco played lights out tennis because he had 91 unforced errors and 10 double faults. He played better in 2009 AO semifinal. A prime Nadal would have beat him in 3 or 4 set.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
I remember thinking at the end of the 4th set how funny it'd be if Nadal went on to lose the match after being two points away from winning it and even though I was rooting for Verdasco, I can't help but feel a bit sorry for him. The guy's a great champion and it's always sad to see legends of the sport fade away in such a manner. Big hugs go out to all his decent fans, I genuinely feel for you right now.
 

Murrayfan31

Hall of Fame
Overall yes, today no. Wimbledon has been by far his worst Slam since 2012, then there's the Fognini loss at the US Open last year. At the AO he still reached the final in 2014 and made the quarters in 2015 so technically it's his second best Slam now. However, after today's loss I'm not even sure of that, he's equally bad in all the Slams outside the FO.
The court just isn't friendly to topspin. It is both slow and low bouncing. Thus great for flat hitters that take big risks. Verdasco being that type of player. And Fognini has beaten Nadal on clay multiple times. I think the US Open is still his second best slam. Yeah I guess grass has been his worst surface due to the low bounce as well.
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
I remember thinking at the end of the 4th set how funny it'd be if Nadal went on to lose the match after being two points away from winning it and even though I was rooting for Verdasco, I can't help but feel a bit sorry for him. The guy's a great champion and it's always sad to see legends of the sport fade away in such a manner. Big hugs go out to all his decent fans, I genuinely feel for you right now.
I cant remember any tennis great whose decline was so drastic. It started on grass. This guy made 5 consecutive wimby finals they bam he is getting literally blown off the courts by journeymen. Its amazing to watch.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Nadal appears out of touch. Maybe he doesn't realize how much slower he is...

I hope to him really retool his game, he's got to evolve. Surely the risk is better than fading the way he is on the biggest stages.
He cannot hold the distance in best of 5 anymore. I mean what is the biggest difference between Rafa/Nando 2009 and Rafa/Nando 2016? In 2009, 5th set was super close. In 2016, massive collapse at the end despite a 2-0 lead. And that has become quite the standard for Rafa to drop intensity/energy in the latest stages of a long match. Rafa either is in denial of this or realizes it but doesn't mention it because there's nothing he can do about it (physical wear out ). This is a big problem because losing early in slams = ranking drop = tougher draws in general. Tougher draws + low confidence is not a winning combination. Add to that a skittish mentality that is overall averse to change (will stick to same old - uncle- no matter what) and the end could be looming large.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Fed would not have lost to Verdasco.
Yeah but that's not my point. My point is that with a more manageable draw, Nadal would have passed a few rounds, which would have made a welcome difference to his ranking prospects. Here he had everything against him: lack of stamina, lack of confidence and draw from hell. The odds were stacked against him. And right now he's simply not good enough to beat the odds.
ETA: + how do you know? If Fed can lose to Seppi at AO, he could sure lose to Dasco in 1st round. Fed is far from unbeatable at AO and RG
 
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mike danny

Bionic Poster
Yeah but that's not my point. My point is that with a more manageable draw, Nadal would have passed a few rounds, which would have made a welcome difference to his ranking prospects. Here he had everything against him: lack of stamina, lack of confidence and draw from hell. The odds were stacked against him. And right now he's simply not good enough to beat the odds.
ETA: + how do you know? If Fed can lose to Seppi at AO, he could sure lose to Dasco in 1st round. Fed is far from unbeatable at AO and RG

Fed would simply not allow Verdasco to GOAT. That's all.

And Federer has always had the hardest draw, not Nadal.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Yo, mate, Fed played a complete tool in 1st round. Honestly, losing to Dasco is probably not worse than losing to Seppi, lol.
Both are bad. But losing to Dasco in the 1st round is very bad. The fact that he played him in the 1st round shows that Dasco was just garbage for a very long time, otherwise he would not have dropped this much in the rankings.

Overall, Fed has the tougher draw. This was established from the very start.
 
Kind of like watching someone play the match of their lives against Roddick. This sort of thing usually happened to him. Now it is starting to happen to Nadal. People know he's vulnerable and they don't get mentally shocked when they're winning.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
I was alluding to many here saying his game itself needs changing radically, but changing your coach, especially if it's a much different style/personality is pretty radical too...one thing I'm not is an equipment guy...Brad Gilbert said he's using old strings, that doesn't sound good, but the gear heads here would know better
Look, what does he have to lose? If he's going to go down in flames anyway (which he is atm), why not do it while trying something new/different? Even drastically new, why not? It may not work but it can't be worse than what is currently happening. And if so many other players in similar situations have tried it, I don't see any excuse for Rafa not to (other than sheer stubbornness - and the fact he's not paying Toni a salary ;))
 
I remember thinking at the end of the 4th set how funny it'd be if Nadal went on to lose the match after being two points away from winning it and even though I was rooting for Verdasco, I can't help but feel a bit sorry for him. The guy's a great champion and it's always sad to see legends of the sport fade away in such a manner. Big hugs go out to all his decent fans, I genuinely feel for you right now.

I am the same bro. It is very sad for tennis as Nadal has been great for tennis over the years.

However, it amazing how things change. Remember how gutted we were when Djoko lost to Rafa in 2013 U.S. Open final? People were saying Rafa defo gonna be GOAT, he owns Djoko and Djoko is finished and will never win another slam.

Look at how things have shaped on now.
 
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merwy

G.O.A.T.
I remember thinking at the end of the 4th set how funny it'd be if Nadal went on to lose the match after being two points away from winning it and even though I was rooting for Verdasco, I can't help but feel a bit sorry for him. The guy's a great champion and it's always sad to see legends of the sport fade away in such a manner. Big hugs go out to all his decent fans, I genuinely feel for you right now.
I can't believe he keeps losing these matches by such small margins every time. He was known to be a mental giant, but how did he become mentally weaker than Verdasco and Fognini, seemingly overnight? All 5 set matches, all close matches, and he loses almost all of them.The only close match that he won that I can remember was his last match against Rosol. But that wasn't at a big tournament.
 
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