maticftw
Semi-Pro
Sureshs is indeed a type now
"Try to serve" had me like[emoji23]
Where do you play btw?
2016 Brisbane Final - [1] Roger Federer vs. [4] Milos Raonic
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"Try to serve" had me like[emoji23]
Where do you play btw?
Zodd
Hall of Fame
Slept through final... didnt really want to see it anyway. But this marks a momentus occassion, and in honor of such occassion...
haha - I had a feeling this was gonna pop up sooner or later
Ironwood
Professional
Just saw the result and the match win moment on early sports this morning. No matter how the Fed crowd qualifies Raonic's win, a win is a win, and it puts Molos back on the map again. He has limitations to his game, but no one has worked harder to plug the holes in his game. Well done!
Frost5541
Professional
i think Djokovic did as he came to the net more often and so did wawrinka but i cant be sure as i don't think they have played this year...
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
The last match Fed played so badly was against Monfils at Monte Carlo 15 ?
Poor , poor match. He looked terrible with sickness . In a way glad the match ended in 2 instead of him losing it in 3. Raonic almost gave it to him with 3 DF in that second set 1-2 game , but Fed could not still capitalize it.
Hope he recovers and plays a repeat match in the 4R here.
Poor , poor match. He looked terrible with sickness . In a way glad the match ended in 2 instead of him losing it in 3. Raonic almost gave it to him with 3 DF in that second set 1-2 game , but Fed could not still capitalize it.
Hope he recovers and plays a repeat match in the 4R here.
sportsfan1
Legend
Stakhovsy did that at Wimby '13. But a lot of players are uncomfortable at the net, or they don't transition well to the front of the court. Until the late 2000's, Fed even used this as a regular strategy against Djokovic drawing him into the net to make him volley on critical points. That no longer works as well as it used to, and reflects in the recent results.
Inanimate_object
Hall of Fame
Thank god Raonic won. It would have been depressing as hell if Federer dismissed three of the best young players in succession. I wish slams looked more like this in the second week.
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
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SAFINATORZ
Hall of Fame
+1 I second that, "another game of Milos"
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
Federer's biggest failing in this match was to fail to make Raonic hit many shots at the net. He was just feeding the net - you could see Federer was surprised at how many in a row he missed into the net when Raonic was in the forecourt. It's just not good enough and they both knew it. It doesn't happen all that often so he'll just chalk this one down to an average day at the office imo.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Does this mean, Roger will have a BAD year ? last year he won and had a great year, 2 years ago he lost and had a horrible year
forthegame
Hall of Fame
Just saw the score and very disappointed.
Gary Duane
Talk Tennis Guru
I don't think most people are giving Raonic enough credit. He was a labeled a serve-bot, but that has been less and less true. So many people have been complaining of the demise of SnV. Raonic was very aggressive at the net against Federer, and also against Tomic. He is no longer just conceding return games.
Fed didn't just play horribly. Raonic was beating up Fed's BH in very much the same manner that Nadal used to do it. If he remains healthy he is going to get more and more dangerous.
Fed didn't just play horribly. Raonic was beating up Fed's BH in very much the same manner that Nadal used to do it. If he remains healthy he is going to get more and more dangerous.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
^^ I agree. I thought Raonic did play very well. Had a clear plan and executed it almost to perfection. True that Fed was horrible on the passing shots but the fact that Raonic was up at the net 25 times and converted on 20... Yeah, I thought last year he would make a move but then he had all these injuries and his season got derailed. Hopefully no repeat of that this year. Not just the S&V, also a good use of short slice/chip returns to draw Fed in and open up the court for a winner (which is actually Fed's favoured tactic).
Gary Duane
Talk Tennis Guru
Exactly. Of the so-called "servebots", Karlovic, Isner and Raonic, Milos is by far the most dangerous returner. It didn't show in 2015, but if he starts winning around 20% of his return games, he's going to be dangerous as hell. He was at 16%, I think in 2014. Somewhere around there.
He actually is the model of the next generation of aggressive players, over 6'4", with a 2HBH but a good slice one hand backhand, huge forehand, and he wants to get to the net. It only takes one great player to take over the tour, and sooner or later we are going to get a guy like Raonic who is also faster. The way to get to the net has always been to get weak returns, so today in order to get those weak returns you need a first serve around 135 mph, and a second serve more around 120. Well, that's starting to happen.
Plus I just don't think the very best 1HBH holds up against the best 2HBH, so anyone who can hit with two hands off that wing and can also hit a good slice is the least attackable. If that guy can also rush the net, that's the way to go, it seems.
Here is Federer's interview and his amazement on how well Raonic played.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/federer-impressed-withraonic-brisbane-final-2016
metsman
Talk Tennis Guru
fed played horribly. His serve was bad, he made uncharacteristic errors(although at this point I guess they are characteristic for him), left balls short, couldn't buy a passing shot if his life depended on it.
metsman
Talk Tennis Guru
and his return sucked (Raonic by his standards was not even serving that well) but that's the standard most days against good servers I guess.
i'll just leave it at this. Raonic in all his meetings against Federer has never won more than 31% of return points. Won 36% yesterday.
i'll just leave it at this. Raonic in all his meetings against Federer has never won more than 31% of return points. Won 36% yesterday.
jklos
Professional
He did look sick didn't he? Almost gaunt like Jake Gyllenhaal in Nightcrawlers. He couldn't get to the net either.
Gary Duane
Talk Tennis Guru
No argument from me that Fed was very far from peak, but I still think it is unfair to give Raonic no credit for making him feel uncomfortable out there.
Is Raonic really improving?
Time will tell...
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
I sincerely doubt that is how the mind of a champion works.
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
Hahahaha. You consider 2014 a "horrible year" for Roger? I'm curious to find out what you thought of his 2013.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
No not for Federer, but I was talking more to @Firstservingman. That said, I have seen a few matches in my relatively short time watching tennis where a top player looks a bit disinterested and might take a loss to not tax him or herself too much before a slam. I don't think Federer did that here to be clear, but I think it happens with all players sometimes whether they want it to or not.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
A great picture:
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
OK Guys,,, GOT NEWS for you. I am hearing from Friend's Federer that he was Gravely suffering from really bad COLD symptoms and he couldn't play his normal tennis the entire match. and Roger's reactions were slowed down a lot because of his cold..........This explains why he played those big points so poorly......... RAONIC got Lucky this time folks.......................A great picture:
Gee, thanks for this. Nice to know this won't be happening ever again. Reassuring news for sure, no?
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
^^ Surely the first time ever that octo's ventured into a Fed thread?!
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
A Raonic thread.^^ Surely the first time ever that octo's ventured into a Fed thread?!
Meles
Bionic Poster
The picture is correct, but does not show Sureshs greatness. Sureshs is creator of the term The Real Slam which is one of the favorite tournaments on the site:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/cincinnati-the-real-slam.282818/
Meles
Bionic Poster
Kishnabe is king of the Prediction League so you pretty much have to play now that you are insulting him.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Luv that!Slept through final... didnt really want to see it anyway. But this marks a momentus occassion, and in honor of such occassion...
Meles
Bionic Poster
So does this mean that reality is that Federer took Lub from Milos?
Meles
Bionic Poster
Milos is a very smart and professional player. He and Dimitrov have taken tennis to a new level this month. We'll see if it pays off on the court. Raonic matches just got better to watch.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Impressive:
Federer would be embarrassed to see you making excuses for him. Face it, he got outplayed and lost the match. And it won't be the last time. PS read his interview.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Lol. Fed lost the match because he played poorly and not because Raonic took it to him. Go and look at the match replay and stats to see his UFE count.
And the fact was Fed was sick. How much it contributed to bad play only he knows. But to deny and make it as though Fed played well and got outplayed is not even silly, but idiotic
^^ Surely the first time ever that octo's ventured into a Fed thread?!
You seems to be developing same habits.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, I believe he's got a good tennis IQ as well.
Gary Duane
Talk Tennis Guru
I think his comments are very accurate. Obviously Fed can play better, but that may not be true soon, as he gets even older. And there is no guarantee that I better player would have won. It could easily have gone to two TBs.
He also said that he moves well for a "big guy". I think that is a very fair statement.
Beacon Hill
Hall of Fame
Impressive indeed: head down, eyes glued to the ball.Impressive:
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