2016 Indian Wells Final - [1] Novak Djokovic vs. [12] Milos Raonic

[JonnyMac]

I'm scared to look back at this thread. Probably ruthless comments about Milos comin from people posting from their parents basement.

Yep Milos really showed those Parents Basement Dwellers (PBDs). He was pure unadulterated.........Quality.

Everyone loves him !

PROUD PBD, Roanic hater AND Jerk hater.

Tennis WON! - From the basement !

 

[TheMusicLover]

I'm scared to look back at this thread. Probably ruthless comments about Milos comin from people posting from their parents basement.

Yep, I'm afraid that's how it is. Lots of folks apparently totally missed out on Raonic' adductor trouble rearing its ugly head again.

Fortunately Djokovic didn't, even barely celebrated his victory as he rightly suspected something wasn't well with his opponent. Very classy towards Raonic in his speech, too.

 

[Doflamingo]

I had to miss the match, but it appears I didn't miss much.
But how the freaking f**k is it possible to win a mere 10 (!!!!) % of your 2nd serve points when you possess a 2nd serve delivery like Milos?
From the stats, he didn't have a great serving day (hitting a mere 50 % of his first serves and hardly any aces), but he still won 77 % of his first serves, which is quite alright if not even good vs. Novak.
But when he realizes his 2nd serves is getting f*cked over, why on earth doesn't he start hitting 1st serves on every or every other 2nd serve and eat however many DF's would come from it?
Again, haven't watched the match or highlights yet, but it seems Novak completely owned the rallies in his serve and on Raonic's 2nd serve.

What's wrong with changing. it. up. if. it's. not. working?
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/tour.../match-stats/D643/R975/live/MS001/match-stats

Congrats to Novak and fans. As I said earlier this week, there's no open draw, when Novak's still in it and there's no reason for concern with his "lacklustre" results prior to the IW @Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Raonic wasn't getting a lot of first serves in, and when he got the 2nd serves in, Novak crushed them. Obviously can't blame him for that because of Nole's returning. Raonic also tried to do a lot of body serves which failed because I think he felt he needed to impede Novak's returning, we all know how good Novak is when he can stretch and return the serves in but the body serve tactic didn't work much. The first set was also good play from Novak (I would say this was his best match through the tourney), 2nd set Raonic injured himself and allowed Nole to finish it off.

The rallies were all Nole though, Raonic had a few flares of forehands but tough to get them past Novak though. His defence was top this match imo ​

 

[Djokodal Fan]

It appears Raonic was injured. Give the benefit of doubt for the kid fellas.

Nobody wants to lose 6-2, 6-0. Nevertheless Raonic can't do much to Djoko even if he is healthy.

 

[merwy]

Yep Milos really showed those Parents Basement Dwellers (PBDs). He was pure unadulterated.........Quality.

Everyone loves him !

PROUD PBD, Roanic hater AND Jerk hater.

Tennis WON! - From the basement !

Dude you're either autistic or have ADHD, possibly both.

 

[veroniquem]

Who is going to stop him. The tour sucks it becomes and huge JOKE and JOKEVİCH break all the records with this dull robotic style.

Djoko's style is neither dull nor robotic. It is fluid , inspired and surgically precise at once. It is fascinating to watch.

 

[killerboi2]

I'm scared to look back at this thread. Probably ruthless comments about Milos comin from people posting from their parents basement.

Parents basement? The guy is a mug and part of probably the weakest generation in open era history. Of course he is going to be called out by a lot of people after that laughable performance.

 

[JonnyMac]

I had to miss the match, but it appears I didn't miss much.
But how the freaking f**k is it possible to win a mere 10 (!!!!) % of your 2nd serve points when you possess a 2nd serve delivery like Milos?
From the stats, he didn't have a great serving day (hitting a mere 50 % of his first serves and hardly any aces), but he still won 77 % of his first serves, which is quite alright if not even good vs. Novak.
But when he realizes his 2nd serves is getting f*cked over, why on earth doesn't he start hitting 1st serves on every or every other 2nd serve and eat however many DF's would come from it?
Again, haven't watched the match or highlights yet, but it seems Novak completely owned the rallies in his serve and on Raonic's 2nd serve.

What's wrong with changing. it. up. if. it's. not. working?
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/tour.../match-stats/D643/R975/live/MS001/match-stats

Congrats to Novak and fans. As I said earlier this week, there's no open draw, when Novak's still in it and there's no reason for concern with his "lacklustre" results prior to the IW @Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

He was injured? Well that explains how loop-sided it got.

Too funny! @Djokovic2011 is the only poster here, who can call somebody crazy for thinking Novak will win a tournament - and on slow HC even. How could this happen?

Oh he Was INJURED! Oh I see! - He gets injured a lot doesn't he. AND HE'S RUBBISH !
That might have something to do with his performance - Don't you think??.. Just a little maybe ??

All this BS about RAONIC ! HYPE HYPE HYPE ! He can't even beat The Bum Murray FFS !

If he's always injured how is going to win? If he's the best serve in the game, why did he drop IT SO MANY TIMES ??

Are people blind or stupid OR BOTH !

 

[veroniquem]

more a 2nd round match than a final

very disappointed in raonic

The real final was the Fratangelo match. Someone should let him know

 

[JonnyMac]

Parents basement? The guy is a mug and part of probably the weakest generation in open era history. Of course he is going to be called out by a lot of people after that laughable performance.

Why ? He's the new world number one ! ( or Two ) Say so on TW - Must be true !

THE REAL WORLD NUMBER TWO !

OH YES !

 

[mistik]

Parents basement? The guy is a mug and part of probably the weakest generation in open era history. Of course he is going to be called out by a lot of people after that laughable performance.

And sadly because ı bought this Milos plays so well this year hype ı have to watch yet another Jokevich match after the semis.

 

[Flint]

LOL, just got home and seen the result. Wasn't expecting that.

I'm just remembering all the comments during the Australian Open about how Raonic would have given a much better final than Murray.
And comments again in this thread about how this match would be the final the Australian open should have had.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Just to confirm that Djokovic has had to go through either one of Rafa or Roger, or even both to win each of his IW titles. That is saying something considering Rafa has three titles and Roger has four titles to their names.

2008 - He went through Nadal
2011 - He went through Federer and Nadal
2014 - He went through Federer
2015 - He went through Federer
2016 - He went though Nadal

 

[Chanwan]

Raonic wasn't getting a lot of first serves in, and when he got the 2nd serves in, Novak crushed them. Obviously can't blame him for that because of Nole's returning. Raonic also tried to do a lot of body serves which failed because I think he felt he needed to impede Novak's returning, we all know how good Novak is when he can stretch and return the serves in but the body serve tactic didn't work much. The first set was also good play from Novak (I would say this was his best match through the tourney), 2nd set Raonic injured himself and allowed Nole to finish it off.

The rallies were all Nole though, Raonic had a few flares of forehands but tough to get them past Novak though. His defence was top this match imo ​

Thanks, so Raonic was all fit and fine until sometime in the 2nd? Did he win (some) 2nd serves until then? What I meant with go for first all the time is that when he's was winning 83 % (10/12) of his first serves in the 2nd and 0 (!!!) % of his 2nd serves in the 2nd, why not go big on it all the time and accept the DF's? Anything is better than 0/14.

 

[Gary Duane]

Actually this match made me realise how good Tsonga was.

It should make all non-Novak fans appreciate just how good he is, even if we do not enjoy his style of tennis.

I would now settle for any player, in the future, to regularly give this guy a battle where the H2H is relatively even. Well, it will happen, eventually, because every champion gets old and declines. But I would not bet on that happening to Novak any time in the near future.

 

[TheMusicLover]

Parents basement? The guy is a mug and part of probably the weakest generation in open era history. Of course he is going to be called out by a lot of people after that laughable performance.

I would love to see you and your ilk get pummeled by Djok in a master's final, even when not suffering an adductor injury.



In stead of all this brainless bashing of Raonic, perhaps it's time to give him a bit of credit for not quitting the match halfway (which quite a few other players might well have done), but in stead playing along and swallowing the bitter pill till the bitter end?
(and I'm not even a fan of his!)

 

[I Am Finnish]

lol all those MJ gifs

 

[JonnyMac]

And sadly because ı bought this Milos plays so well this year hype ı have to watch yet another Jokevich match after the semis.

You bought the hype. You bought the hype ?

 

[Chanwan]

LOL, just got home and seen the result. Wasn't expecting that.

I'm just remembering all the comments during the Australian Open about how Raonic would have given a much better final than Murray.
And comments again in this thread about how this match would be the final the Australian open should have had.

1) We all know how Djoko-Muzz goes at the AO (and elsewhere). We've been through that time and time again, hence the rest of us wants a new challenger
2) We didn't know how Djoko-Raonic would be. If he was indeed injured (which everyone, including Djoko, seems to think), we can't take much from this result.

 

[TheMusicLover]

Thanks, so Raonic was all fit and fine until sometime in the 2nd? Did he win (some) 2nd serves until then? What I meant with go for first all the time is that when he's was winning 83 % (10/12) of his first serves in the 2nd and 0 (!!!) % of his 2nd serves in the 2nd, why not go big on it all the time and accept the DF's? Anything is better than 0/14.

The injury occured somewhere between the end of the first and the beginning of the second set, at least that's the impression I got.

 

[I Am Finnish]

Another routine match by the Emperor!

lol

 

[Gary Duane]

Yep, I'm afraid that's how it is. Lots of folks apparently totally missed out on Raonic' adductor trouble rearing its ugly head again.

Fortunately Djokovic didn't, even barely celebrated his victory as he rightly suspected something wasn't well with his opponent. Very classy towards Raonic in his speech, too.

Horrible that Milos is injured again, but you also have to wonder why none of these younger guys can play without frequent injuries.

Staying healthy is part of being a great player, and we have already seen what happens to a guy like Hewitt who is never 100% after his very early career.

Nadal is beginning to look like the all time Iron Man compared to most of the younger players.

 

[The Green Mile]

LOL, Christ. 6/2 6/0? Really? Wtf happened? Injury or something?

 

[I Am Finnish]

Now I didn't say he would do it mate, just that it wouldn't surprise me.

few days ago you said kohlschreider would beat djokovic

 

[I Am Finnish]

The real final was the Fratangelo match. Someone should let him know

 

[Doflamingo]

Thanks, so Raonic was all fit and fine until sometime in the 2nd? Did he win (some) 2nd serves until then? What I meant with go for first all the time is that when he's was winning 83 % (10/12) of his first serves in the 2nd and 0 (!!!) % of his 2nd serves in the 2nd, why not go big on it all the time and accept the DF's? Anything is better than 0/14.

Well, to me he was fine in the first set (certainly didn't look impeded), the injury only happened after the first set finished and the 2nd one started or well, when the trainer came on. As for the rest I can't answer, I stopped following the stats after Nole won the first set. ​

 

[Gary Duane]

The injury occured somewhere between the end of the first and the beginning of the second set, at least that's the impression I got.

Milos was in big trouble from the start though. To me it was obvious that Novak was dialed-in, ready to attack his serves. I'm not sure how many people saw Novak return a ball that was fired right at his body, and he still managed to hit it back with the center of his racket.

Novak fans had nothing not to like today.

 

[JonnyMac]

I would love to see you and your ilk get pummeled by Djok in a master's final, even when not suffering an adductor injury.



In stead of all this brainless bashing of Raonic, perhaps it's time to give him a bit of credit for not quitting the match halfway (which quite a few other players might well have done), but in stead playing along and swallowing the bitter pill till the bitter end?
(and I'm not even a fan of his!)

This is pathetic nonsense. The Bum Murray crushed him over 5 Sets. Novak disemboweled him over 3.
And all you've got is he's not a quitter.

HE'S A SELF AGGRANDISING LOSER ! DEAL WITH IT !

He said he was the best in the world - He's played the best and lost.

What's not to understand ?

 

[mistik]

You bought the hype. You bought the hype ?

Dont know stupid me. ( still didnt expect Roanic would win ) I though he might put a performance similar to Tsonga which is respectable.

 

[Meles]

Commiserations to Raonic, he didn't play his best today as Novak said. Raonic wasn't getting a lot of first serves in and Djokovic crushed him on the 2nd serves, Raonic also tried to do a lot of body serves which didn't work for him (maybe Nole expected these) but these are the things that prolly went through Raonic's mind that he needed to impede Novak's returning by getting the body serves in, today it didn't work. Nole also played his best match today I think within this tourney, hardly missed anything, the kick serves were nice in the first set, few lobs, forehand was devestating when it needed to be, it was a complete package.

Indian Wells record holder!

​

This match was over before I could watch it closely. Its clear that Nole has more in store and that 2016 may be better than 2015. A really dominate and unexpected performance given his shakey form throughout the tournament. Very much like those first two sets against Fed in Australia, probably better. Almost wants to make become a Djokovic fan (but I'll stay with the under dogs.)

 

[JonnyMac]

Milos was in big trouble from the start though. To me it was obvious that Novak was dialed-in, ready to attack his serves. I'm not sure how many people say Novak return a ball that was fired right at his body, and he still managed to hit it back with the center of his racket.

Novak fans had nothing not to like today.

I'm no 'Novak' fan, but 'Poor Little Milos' had it coming ....

 

[TenCanFan]

Horrible that Milos is injured again, but you also have to wonder why none of these younger guys can play without frequent injuries.

Staying healthy is part of being a great player, and we have already seen what happens to a guy like Hewitt who is never 100% after his very early career.

Nadal is beginning to look like the all time Iron Man compared to most of the younger players.

For Raonic I think it is quite simply his body; his frame is not ideal for the demands of a tennis player (to put it mildly). He is as hard a worker in the gym as anyone so it's definitely not a fitness issue, but I do wonder what they can do in terms of maintenance going forward.

 

[Chanwan]

Well, to me he was fine in the first set (certainly didn't look impeded), the injury only happened after the first set finished and the 2nd one started or well, when the trainer came on. As for the rest I can't answer, I stopped following the stats after Nole won the first set. ​

the stats are sound - just curious as to why an injured player, who's not getting any freebies on his 2nd, but still winning 80 % behind his first, aren't going big on the 2nd all the time/most of the time. Anyway - wouldn't have mattered much.

 

[JonnyMac]

Dont know stupid me. ( still didnt expect Roanic would win ) I though he might put a performance similar to Tsonga which is respectable.

Ah Well - I'm a complete idiot - but I've NEVER rated Raonic...EVER EVER !

 

[TheMusicLover]

Horrible that Milos is injured again, but you also have to wonder why none of these younger guys can play without frequent injuries.

Staying healthy is part of being a great player, and we have already seen what happens to a guy like Hewitt who is never 100% after his very early career.

Nadal is beginning to look like the all time Iron Man compared to most of the younger players.

I guess Fed, and Djok are, besides of course having the best (medical) teams surrounding them, are also darn lucky because of their good apparent very good genes.
I don't know whether Nadal is such a good example of this 'luckiness' btw.

Don't mistake my posts as any excuse for Raonic, btw - of course I agree that avoiding injuries (as much as possible) is also one of those jobs a professional athlete has to take care of.
I just think the endless bashing of Raonic is way over the top in this match thread. Showing a bit of compassion never hurts anyone.

And yes, Djokovic was in a league of his own today - he would've won anyway.

 

[JonnyMac]

Horrible that Milos is injured again, but you also have to wonder why none of these younger guys can play without frequent injuries.

Staying healthy is part of being a great player, and we have already seen what happens to a guy like Hewitt who is never 100% after his very early career.

Nadal is beginning to look like the all time Iron Man compared to most of the younger players.

Nah nah - C'mon! Don't start talking sense here ! - You'll spoil it for the morons !

Let's get the Tennis scoring system changed....

 

[Gary Duane]

I guess Fed, and Djok are, besides of course having the best (medical) teams surrounding them, are also darn lucky because of their good apparent very good genes.
I don't know whether Nadal is such a good example of this 'luckiness' btw.

Don't mistake my posts as any excuse for Raonic, btw - of course I agree that avoiding injuries (as much as possible) is also one of those jobs a professional athlete has to take care of.
I just think the endless bashing of Raonic is way over the top in this match thread. Showing a bit of compassion never hurts anyone.

I'm not bashing anyone.

I did not expect Milos to win, but I figured he would lose without being totally blown away.

And lucky? Well, if you compare Nadal to people like Nishikori, I'm not so sure!

 

[Tiki-Taka]

Congratulations to Djokovic on equaling the record of 27 Masters and winning a record 5 Indian Wells titles. Once again, the bigger the stage, the better the game.

It was nice seeing Nadal improving, Goffin reaching semis and Raonic reaching a final. He was bad, but a different outcome was never expected.

Looking forward to Miami.

 

[Krish872007]

Raonic - the real number 2? Lol - but it's unfortunate that he's constantly injured as well.

 

[Chanwan]

Remember at the start of the tournament when people claimed to see chinks in Djokovic's armor?

All to well. At least I can honestly say, I asked wtf they were on about. He's lost 8 (!) matches since the US Open 2014, a mere 3 of those to players outside top-3 and none to players outside top-32.

Now that's what I call domination!

 

[Doflamingo]

I guess Fed, and Djok are, besides of course having the best (medical) teams surrounding them, are also darn lucky because of their good apparent very good genes.
I don't know whether Nadal is such a good example of this 'luckiness' btw.

tennis_commentator once said Nadal's been playing with a broken foot for the last 10 years. Fed and Nole haven't got anything on such a marvelous specimen ​

 

[Meles]

1) We all know how Djoko-Muzz goes at the AO (and elsewhere). We've been through that time and time again, hence the rest of us wants a new challenger
2) We didn't know how Djoko-Raonic would be. If he was indeed injured (which everyone, including Djoko, seems to think), we can't take much from this result.

I saw enough today to say that Djoko has more in store for this year and is very likely to finally get that French Open in style. Incredible performance. Speed kills and Djoko came out aggressively and put all sorts of pressure on Raonic. Raonic was clearly choking under this pressure and then the injury. Bottom line, Djoko has the formula to deal with Raonic and displayed it today. No matter how healthy Raonic might be, Djokovic will blitz him and show up the speed advantage he has. An amazing performance given that Goffin had little luck. The Djokovic returning was amazing and I'd swear his down the line backhand is becoming a weapon again. Saw stat midway through 2nd that Djokovic had 4 UEs. Mind numbing display of tennis.

 

[JonnyMac]

I guess Fed, and Djok are, besides of course having the best (medical) teams surrounding them, are also darn lucky because of their good apparent very good genes.
I don't know whether Nadal is such a good example of this 'luckiness' btw.

Don't mistake my posts as any excuse for Raonic, btw - of course I agree that avoiding injuries (as much as possible) is also one of those jobs a professional athlete has to take care of.
I just think the endless bashing of Raonic is way over the top in this match thread. Showing a bit of compassion never hurts anyone.

Yep Tennis is all Luck - Yep Lucky Murray, Lucky lucky Fed, Lucky Nedal, Lucky Borg, Lucky Lendl, Lucky every frikin one ....

Except poor little Milos who's always injured...Or some other pathetic excuse ...

Yep Compassion in Tennis - Let all play fair, no winners no losers - Everyone is equal.

Let's change the rules so everyone wins - Lets paint the balls baby green and have flowers on the lines.

Because we should all love each other right.

Don't give me that new age BS !

Tell that to Winners Like Fed, Nedal, and The Jerk, and the long long glorious history of winners they followed going back to Fred Perry and way before.

Compassion ! Huh you complete ***** !

 

[TheMusicLover]

I'm not bashing anyone.

Wasn't directed towards you.

I did not expect Milos to win, but I figured he would lose without being totally blown away.

And lucky? Well, if you compare Nadal to people like Nishikori, I'm not so sure!

Yeah, well I guess it was a combination of Raonic not being able to control his nerves + the physical niggle playing up. And of course, the psychological factor is there, too - injuries tend to feel a lot nastier when you're already heading towards the court's exit...

Yes, Nadal is of course a lot better off than Nishikori (the man made of china), and fellows like Hewitt, Del Potro, to name but a few.

 

[Meles]

the stats are sound - just curious as to why an injured player, who's not getting any freebies on his 2nd, but still winning 80 % behind his first, aren't going big on the 2nd all the time/most of the time. Anyway - wouldn't have mattered much.

Raonic is usually very smart, but today a deer in the Djoko headlights.

 

[Gary Duane]

Wasn't directed towards you.

I didn't think it was, but I was just clarifying for others.

I suppose we can either learn to enjoy Novak's winning, or stop watching tennis!

 

[Gary Duane]

Raonic is usually very smart, but today a deer in the Djoko headlights.

That is EXACTLY what I saw. Novak came out hunting for bear, and that's not a good feeling for anyone on the other side of the net.

 

[TenCanFan]

I saw enough today to say that Djoko has more in store for this year and is very likely to finally get that French Open in style. Incredible performance. Speed kills and Djoko came out aggressively and put all sorts of pressure on Raonic. Raonic was clearly choking under this pressure and then the injury. Bottom line, Djoko has the formula to deal with Raonic and displayed it today. No matter how healthy Raonic might be, Djokovic will blitz him and show up the speed advantage he has. An amazing performance given that Goffin had little luck. The Djokovic returning was amazing and I'd swear his down the line backhand is becoming a weapon again. Saw stat midway through 2nd that Djokovic had 4 UEs. Mind numbing display of tennis.

I think Novak finished the match with 4 UEs, unreal indeed.

 

[Chanwan]

I saw enough today to say that Djoko has more in store for this year and is very likely to finally get that French Open in style. Incredible performance. Speed kills and Djoko came out aggressively and put all sorts of pressure on Raonic. Raonic was clearly choking under this pressure and then the injury. Bottom line, Djoko has the formula to deal with Raonic and displayed it today. No matter how healthy Raonic might be, Djokovic will blitz him and show up the speed advantage he has. An amazing performance given that Goffin had little luck. The Djokovic returning was amazing and I'd swear his down the line backhand is becoming a weapon again. Saw stat midway through 2nd that Djokovic had 4 UEs. Mind numbing display of tennis.

Yeah, I'm not suggesting Raonic would have won. Just responding to the poster mocking the guys (me including) who had preferred to see Djoko-Raonic in the AO-final. He lost 7-6 (5), 6-4, 6-2 in the QF in 2015 at the AO. Good reason to think he could have done better (and thus better than Murray did) given what we knew at the semi-final stage imo. That's all.

Regarding the FO. He'll be a massive favorite, which will make it interesting. Do remember he's gunning for a 4th straight at the one slam he hasn't yet mastered. That will mean a tremendous amount of added pressure imo. Which just could make him more vulnerable. Usually, he has a round or two, where he is indeed beatable. But usually, he gets through anyhow

 

[veroniquem]

That is EXACTLY what I saw. Novak came out hunting for bear, and that's not a good feeling for anyone on the other side of the net.

There are a few exceptions but Djoko usually keeps his best tennis for final. He doesn't leave anything to chance in that final sprint and he has nerves of steel.