2016 Paris Masters - General Discussion Thread

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2016 Paris Masters champion?

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The last Masters of the season.

Two more World Tour Finals spots are up for grabs while there is also a potential change at the very top of the ATP list.

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The draw is out.

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If Murray wins Vienna, I think he'll have a great chance to win in Paris. However, Murray has one tough draw this time. I can see Djokovic's draw is also tough.
 
If Feliciano Deliciano beats Verdasco, who will Judy Murray cheer for? He son or her not so secret crush? That is the real question here.
 
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I see Bendych has avoided Goffin.

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Murray likely to shatter his WTF dreams. Cilic is actually in the drivers seat for WTF. If he beats Mischa Zverev in Basel today, he'll be ahead of Berdy.:eek: Poor Berdy should Cilic win Basel.:D Cilic's draw is no picnic, but it appears he's in if he just does the same number of rounds as Berdy in Basel.:D
 
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Wow Djoko has a fairly rough draw. Muller, Dimitrov, and Cilic or Karlovic:confused:.

Thiem's draw is as good as can be hoped, but his form even makes the prospect of beating Sock questionable. Wawrinka is at the other end of that quarter and has a great looking draw.:eek: Thiem is almost assurred of WTF as Murray and Djokovic block Berdy and Chillic at the QF stage.

LOL Pouille for the 3rd tournament in a row will have the earliest possible collision with Murray.:mad:

RaoStooge appropriately has Ninja in his quarter.

Draw has spot for SE which will likely be Mischa Zverev.
 
Djokovic is unbeatable on this slow *ss court the the last time he lost in paris was 4 years ago against querrey in the 2nd round he should win if hè is motivated
 
Few things about the draw.

- I don't think the draw matters very much regarding opponents ranked lower than 20.
- 3 or 4th seed don't matter very much. Wawrinka and Raonic are both playing awful.
- Nishikori is the most dangerous player in the draw for Murrovic. He's drawn to play Murray in the semi, that's great for Nole
- Djokovic has Goffin or Cilic in the quarters, which should be a dangerous match. Dimitrov, hasn't been playing too greaet in the last 2 weeks, so he may not be very dangerous.
- Djokovic semi is easy as ****.
- Murray may get RBA in the quarters.

If Murray is to become W#1 for a week, it's up to Cilic or Goffin to stop Djokovic really, Djokovic clearly has the better draw.
 
Red Rick said:
Few things about the draw.

- I don't think the draw matters very much regarding opponents ranked lower than 20.
- 3 or 4th seed don't matter very much. Wawrinka and Raonic are both playing awful.
- Nishikori is the most dangerous player in the draw for Murrovic. He's drawn to play Murray in the semi, that's great for Nole
- Djokovic has Goffin or Cilic in the quarters, which should be a dangerous match. Dimitrov, hasn't been playing too greaet in the last 2 weeks, so he may not be very dangerous.
- Djokovic semi is easy as ****.
- Murray may get RBA in the quarters.

If Murray is to become W#1 for a week, it's up to Cilic or Goffin to stop Djokovic really, Djokovic clearly has the better draw.
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cc0509 said:
Yawn. Wake me up if somebody other than Djokovic or Murray wins Paris.
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I think Djokovic is going down. A gift from heaven today for Murray with the SF walkover over Ferrer; a much need respite for the Vienna/Bercy gauntlet. Cilic is the in form player and though he's never beaten Djokovic there is always a first time.:p Cilic of course beat Murray at the Real Slam, so picking Cilic to win this, possiblely beating the world number 1 and 2.:eek:
 
Thiem fever springs eternal despite the fooling around with Troicki in Vienna:
2nd round - Sock or Kohly should be manageable, but I one could find a bunch of easier opponents elsewhere, at least these two are known quantities for Thiem.

3rd round - Reechard.:D Battle of the one handed bachkhands.:p Gasquet's back has been an issue this whole year so Thiem will have a chance to avenge Basel last year. For Thiem, Reechard is best seed he could draw as Tsonga, Cilic, and RBA have been no joke lately.

QF - Wawa.:p Battle of the one handed backhands continues. Thiem beat Wawa in 2014 Madrid fresh off Wawa winning Monte Carlo. Given Thiem's run in with Raonic this is definitely the best QF opponent for Thiem.

SF - Djoko. Better to draw Djoko than Murray these days and if Thiem is in decent form doubt he flounders 17 BPs away like in Miami.:eek:

F - Murray. The Muzziah might be out of gas by the final.:D

Great draw except for the 2nd round for Thiem, but with his current game all of these matches will be tough.:confused:
 
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Djokovic plays better against a tough draw. With 2 Slams and getting over the hurdle at the French Open and passing Nadal in Master 1000's wins-all time leader-30 that has let the air out of his balloon, He can come out and play, He makes to the Finals he ATP No 1. Djokovic has 4 Master 1000's and 2 Slams and 3 Finals in slams this year, Murray 1 slam and 2 Master 1000 wins this year. Djokovic titles have come almost all from Slams and Master 1000 not so with Murray, I'm glad we see the same thing.

Cheers
3Fees :)
 
Meles said:
I think Djokovic is going down. A gift from heaven today for Murray with the SF walkover over Ferrer; a much need respite for the Vienna/Bercy gauntlet. Cilic is the in form player and though he's never beaten Djokovic there is always a first time.:p Cilic of course beat Murray at the Real Slam, so picking Cilic to win this, possiblely beating the world number 1 and 2.:eek:
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I doubt Novak will go down but if Novak does go down, I think Murray will be the victor. If Cilic wins Basel I doubt he will win Paris too. He's never been that consistent type of player who wins many tournaments in a row. I'm not banking on that to change right now. As for Thiem vs Djokovic at Paris, I doubt Thiem will beat him or Murray. You can dream though.;)
 
Nishikori vs Undy Marray SF and the Ninja will arrange for Quasimodo to climb on the roof at Bercy and bang a gong to disrupt the Scotsman's concentration and take control of the match.
 
Perusing the draw it looked interesting, but then when you look for great matches round 1 is pretty lacking:
1. PCB vs Fognini - rematch from Moscow, but Fog will likely end up tanking.:mad:
2. Sock vs Kohly - Kohly coming back from injury and not so good on hard courts so this is pretty sad as the 2nd best match.
3. Troicki vs Mannarino - Manny was on a comeback, but not so sure now. Should be a nice encounter.
4. The rest aren't so good though all decent players.:confused:

2nd round prospects:
1. Pouille vs Feliciano - just had a cracker match in Vienna with lots of net play.:p
2. Sock vs Thiem - Thiem owns the head to head, but Sock may prevail this time.
3. RBA vs Simon - its been a while, but probably a lot of long rallies with solid hitting (no pushing.:mad:)
4. Johnson vs Gasquet - Johnson not so good lately, and Reechard has been flagging, but might be good.
5. Ugh to the rest.

The 16 seeds and R16 and QF, SF matchups look quite good. Cuevas does not excite in his encounters. Berdy and Raonic are the only seeded horror shows and who doesn't like seeing them lose early?:D The Cuevas vs Raonic section is really bad. Hoping PCB somehow takes over.;)
 
Meles said:
Thiem fever springs eternal despite the fooling around with Troicki in Vienna:
2nd round - Sock or Kohly should be manageable, but I one could find a bunch of easier opponents elsewhere, at least these two are known quantities for Thiem.

3rd round - Reechard.:D Battle of the one handed bachkhands.:p Gasquet's back has been an issue this whole year so Thiem will have a chance to avenge Basel last year. For Thiem, Reechard is best seed he could draw as Tsonga, Cilic, and RBA have been no joke lately.

QF - Wawa.:p Battle of the one handed backhands continues. Thiem beat Wawa in 2014 Madrid fresh off Wawa winning Monte Carlo. Given Thiem's run in with Raonic this is definitely the best QF opponent for Thiem.

SF - Djoko. Better to draw Djoko than Murray these days and if Thiem is in decent form doubt he flounders 17 BPs away like in Miami.:eek:

F - Murray. The Muzziah might be out of gas by the final.:D

Great draw except for the 2nd round for Thiem, but with his current game all of these matches will be tough.:confused:
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Thiem lacks confidence/form to be considered as a real threat right now. IMO there is a 50% that he won't get pass the 3rd round and I have a feeling that pretty much every non-clay top 50 player would have his chances if he met Dominic right now. Last year he had the same issue - his best results came till July/August and after that he just couldn't win more than two matches in a row.
 
Bukmeikara said:
Thiem lacks confidence/form to be considered as a real threat right now. IMO there is a 50% that he won't get pass the 3rd round and I have a feeling that pretty much every non-clay top 50 player would have his chances if he met Dominic right now. Last year he had the same issue - his best results came till July/August and after that he just couldn't win more than two matches in a row.
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Its different this year because Thiem is vastly improved on hard courts. Acapulco happened. Thiem did make the final of a hard court tournament in September. This is not the same player as last year on hard courts.

That being said, it may be exactly as you say. This year Thiem's July clay season was an abomination. He had the tournament final in September, but had illness and injury issues come back (the knee from US Open). Thiem is very much in the state you say where its hard to win two matches in a row. I have the hope that he might get something going at Bercy with the easy draw in front of him. If he gets by Jack Sock, Thiem might be able to build the necessary momentum.

Victor Troicki narrowly derailed Thiem in Vienna. Thiem's impatience/arrogance cost him in that match. I pray a more humble Thiem arrives in Bercy for mercy from the tennis gods. He needs to get going or WTF is going to be a huge embarrassment. Thiem is suffering from lack of match play and I expect that is a very similar situation to last Fall.
 
Meles said:
Its different this year because Thiem is vastly improved on hard courts. Acapulco happened. Thiem did make the final of a hard court tournament in September. This is not the same player as last year on hard courts.

That being said, it may be exactly as you say. This year Thiem's July clay season was an abomination. He had the tournament final in September, but had illness and injury issues come back (the knee from US Open). Thiem is very much in the state you say where its hard to win two matches in a row. I have the hope that he might get something going at Bercy with the easy draw in front of him. If he gets by Jack Sock, Thiem might be able to build the necessary momentum.

Victor Troicki narrowly derailed Thiem in Vienna. Thiem's impatience/arrogance cost him in that match. I pray a more humble Thiem arrives in Bercy for mercy from the tennis gods. He needs to get going or WTF is going to be a huge embarrassment. Thiem is suffering from lack of match play and I expect that is a very similar situation to last Fall.
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Friend, I have no doubt that Thiem can produce on hard. I have no doubt that he would become number 1 and win a SLam at AO or US ... just saying that he is in similar position like Federer after Wimbledon 2002 with plenty of doubt in his mind.
 
Btw Djokovic and Murray are pretty much co-favorites to win this (Djokovic only a slightly bigger favorite than Murray). Then there's a huuuuge drop with Wawrinka and Nishikori both at 16-1.
 
Meles said:
Its different this year because Thiem is vastly improved on hard courts. Acapulco happened. Thiem did make the final of a hard court tournament in September. This is not the same player as last year on hard courts.

That being said, it may be exactly as you say. This year Thiem's July clay season was an abomination. He had the tournament final in September, but had illness and injury issues come back (the knee from US Open). Thiem is very much in the state you say where its hard to win two matches in a row. I have the hope that he might get something going at Bercy with the easy draw in front of him. If he gets by Jack Sock, Thiem might be able to build the necessary momentum.

Victor Troicki narrowly derailed Thiem in Vienna. Thiem's impatience/arrogance cost him in that match. I pray a more humble Thiem arrives in Bercy for mercy from the tennis gods. He needs to get going or WTF is going to be a huge embarrassment. Thiem is suffering from lack of match play and I expect that is a very similar situation to last Fall.
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Dominic Thiem, one of 2363673567 players under 25, who need to learn how to flatten out a forehand.

I'm getting desperate people.

The age of needless spin has arrived I fear.
 
Meles said:
I think Djokovic is going down. A gift from heaven today for Murray with the SF walkover over Ferrer; a much need respite for the Vienna/Bercy gauntlet. Cilic is the in form player and though he's never beaten Djokovic there is always a first time.:p Cilic of course beat Murray at the Real Slam, so picking Cilic to win this, possiblely beating the world number 1 and 2.:eek:
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The Rubbish Bin Man will need to be in impossible form to get near the Great Novak.

I mean Djokovic is the king of the world! Heavy weight champion ! - The best tennis player EVER !

- The Bum has no chance. I mean Murray has never beaten him !...( Ever!! ) ( Or Cilic )

I mean, when did Murray last win anything ? LOL !

Certainly Cilic will crucify the Muzziah !

Murray fans - Sheesh ! :rolleyes:
 
Come on Murray! Wish Nishikori was in the other half. Would like a final between the two.

Expecting another Murray Djokovic final though to be honest. Seem to recall that being a popular match up around here.
 
This will be interesting tournament the 9th and final Masters 1000's of 2016. Djokovic can make it 5 M1ks this year, Murray is trying to get to No 3. Cilic No 2.

Cheers
3Fees :)
 
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