2016 Paris SF - [9] Marin Cilic vs John Isner

Who wins?


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Aussie Darcy

Talk Tennis Guru
#60
Bautista Agut and now Isner making the last two Masters1000 finals of the year just highlights how embarrassing 2016 has been for the ATP. No disrespect to them both but just wow.

Stan is our number 3, has he won a single Masters this year? Has he even reached a Masters final?? How about Berdych? Raonic? Thiem?

Mostly nah but bloody John Isner can. Bloody hell.
 
#70
Sir John Isner does not come to the net the net comes to Sir John.

Give Sir John 2 championship points and and he will clinch it with one to spare.
 
#71
I haven't seen Isner play this well in I don't know how long. I don't know what got into him. He really ran for a lot of balls and was stepping in and ripping returns.

The guy clearly wanted to take this match.
 
#76
Damn, isner has had the rub of the green this tournament. Wouldn't be surprised if he won it, wouldn't begrudge him that either. Cilic didn't seem to have his head in it today. Must be tired after Basel.
 

Aussie Darcy

Talk Tennis Guru
#77
Isner has made masters finals before. It didn't make 2012 or 2013 weak did it?
4 years ago and both were in America where he always does well, usually bombs out everywhere else. This one tournament and Isner making the final doesn't make the entire field weak, it's a combination of many things. Although, Isner will make the final by defeating just one top 10 player and that's Marin Cilic at #10. Last year at Shanghai Tomic had to defeat then top 10 Ferrer + Gasquet who was 11th and that was just to reach the QF of a Masters.
This is the final we are talking about here! The level has dropped.
 
#79
Bautista Agut and now Isner making the last two Masters1000 finals of the year just highlights how embarrassing 2016 has been for the ATP. No disrespect to them both but just wow.

Stan is our number 3, has he won a single Masters this year? Has he even reached a Masters final?? How about Berdych? Raonic? Thiem?

Mostly nah but bloody John Isner can. Bloody hell.
Don't be so harsh. Your favorite player was dominating era were everyone was making Master/Slam finals left and right. Isner is a great indoor on paper also with great results in the past.
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
#80
There's no words to describe how much I despise Raomug right now. Thankfully there's a video of my reaction if I ever have to think about anything slightly related to him

 
#83
When Isner's serving like he did during this match, he's a bloody tough hurdle to take for anyone out there... never saw this coming! :eek:
Congrats to him./
 
#85
4 years ago and both were in America where he always does well, usually bombs out everywhere else. This one tournament and Isner making the final doesn't make the entire field weak, it's a combination of many things. Although, Isner will make the final by defeating just one top 10 player and that's Marin Cilic at #10. Last year at Shanghai Tomic had to defeat then top 10 Ferrer + Gasquet who was 11th and that was just to reach the QF of a Masters.
This is the final we are talking about here! The level has dropped.
Last year Isner defeated Federer in Paris, the previous he pushed Djokovic. In his both Master finals he defeated Djokovic to reach them, he also defeated Federer on indoor clay in 2012. Last year he reached the SF in MIami with wins against Dimitrov, Raonic and Nishikori in a row. John is not a nobody and certanly is not that suprising that he reached the final here.

My favourite player? That's Tomic.. Not really sure what you're getting at there?
My bad, was thinking about Hewitt
 

Aussie Darcy

Talk Tennis Guru
#86
Last year Isner defeated Federer in Paris, the previous he pushed Djokovic. In his both Master finals he defeated Djokovic to reach them, he also defeated Federer on indoor clay in 2012. Last year he reached the SF in MIami with wins against Dimitrov, Raonic and Nishikori in a row. John is not a nobody and certanly is not that suprising that he reached the final here.



My bad, was thinking about Hewitt
You're making my point for me! When he reached those Masters finals, he did so by defeating A+ opponents. Meanwhile in 2016 it reads more like an ATP250. Struff, Ferrer, Sock, Cilic. That's not a strong field to reach a Masters final.
My point is that this year has just been one laugh after another and the level of the entire tour has dropped so much.
 
#87
If Wimby went back to the kind of court speeds it used to have in the 90s and early 00s then isner would have been a good shout for a title there. Ivanisevic fluked one, don't see why he wouldn't.
 
#88
You're making my point for me! When he reached those Masters finals, he did so by defeating A+ opponents. Meanwhile in 2016 it reads more like an ATP250. Struff, Ferrer, Sock, Cilic. That's not a strong field to reach a Masters final.
My point is that this year has just been one laugh after another and the level of the entire tour has dropped so much.
Paris 16 SF - Murray, Cilic, Isner, Raonic
Paris 15 SF - Djokovic, MUrray, Wawrinka, Ferrer
Paris 14 SF - Djokovic, Nishikori, Raonic, Berdych
Paris 13 SF - Djokovic, Ferrer, Nadal, Federer
Paris 12 SF - Ferrer, Janowitz, Llodra, Simon
Paris 11 SF - Federer, Tsonga, Berdych, Isner
Paris 10 SF - Soderling, Llodra, Federer, Monfils
Paris 09 SF - Djokovic, Monfils, Stepanek, Nadal
Paris 08 SF - Tsonga, Blake, Nalbandian, Davydenko
Paris 07 SF - Nalbandian, Nadal, Gasquet, Baghdatis

In the last ten years - 0 times 4/4 Big 4, 1 time 3/4 Big 4, 2 times 2/4 Big 4, 5 times 1/4 Big 4, 2 times 0/4 Big 4. It's just variation - this year specialy Federer, Nadal, MOnfils didn't enter the draw at all
 

Aussie Darcy

Talk Tennis Guru
#90
Paris 16 SF - Murray, Cilic, Isner, Raonic
Paris 15 SF - Djokovic, MUrray, Wawrinka, Ferrer
Paris 14 SF - Djokovic, Nishikori, Raonic, Berdych
Paris 13 SF - Djokovic, Ferrer, Nadal, Federer
Paris 12 SF - Ferrer, Janowitz, Llodra, Simon
Paris 11 SF - Federer, Tsonga, Berdych, Isner
Paris 10 SF - Soderling, Llodra, Federer, Monfils
Paris 09 SF - Djokovic, Monfils, Stepanek, Nadal
Paris 08 SF - Tsonga, Blake, Nalbandian, Davydenko
Paris 07 SF - Nalbandian, Nadal, Gasquet, Baghdatis

In the last ten years - 0 times 4/4 Big 4, 1 time 3/4 Big 4, 2 times 2/4 Big 4, 5 times 1/4 Big 4, 2 times 0/4 Big 4. It's just variation - this year specialy Federer, Nadal, MOnfils didn't enter the draw at all
I'm not whinging about the big 4. I'm complaining that top 10 players can't make these finals and yet bloody Bautista Agut and Isner can.
Where's top 10 Thiem making a Masters final? Nah he lost in his first match.
Stan? He's a multi slam champion and our world number 3, yet didn't make a Masters final all year! He should be winning these! Not losing to Struff!!
Top 10 Berdych? Nah he lost.

I read that list and apart from 2012, they were all great sounding top 10 SFists.
 
#91
Ivanisevic "fluked" one after multiple other finals and semis.

Does isner have more than 1 slam QF?
Well the Wimbledon grass back then did play to his advantage which was why he went deep in those tournaments plus he had a servebot rep like Karlovic and Isner do right now. No one ever thought he could win the whole damn thing though, even when he did it it came as a surprise. Rafter was a big favorite.
 
#92
I'm not whinging about the big 4. I'm complaining that top 10 players can't make these finals and yet bloody Bautista Agut and Isner can.
Where's top 10 Thiem making a Masters final? Nah he lost in his first match.
Stan? He's a multi slam champion and our world number 3, yet didn't make a Masters final all year! He should be winning these! Not losing to Struff!!
Top 10 Berdych? Nah he lost.

I read that list and apart from 2012, they were all great sounding top 10 SFists.
Open draws are part of the game. Wim13 Murray, Us10 Nadal, WIm0 Sampras. Cilic, Raonic, Murray, Isner on paper are only inferior compared to the 13/15 SF line up. Thiem is Thiem, he is finding his mojo and once he does he would be a great player. The 90's were full with clay court specialist in the WTF whom didn't stand a chance indoors, Kafelnikov didn't win a Master and he was number 1 with 2 SLams.
 
#93
I am stunned but at the same time Isner played a much better match today than he did yesterday. Isner is just a poison to play against when he plays like this. While Cilic clearly could have played better, he looked comfortable in the rallies against Djokovic, today he could not play too many of those rallies with of course Isner trying to win points in one or two shots. Was rooting for Cilic but happy for Isner...alwayslikedhim!
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
#94
Wow, what's got into Big Izzy all of a sudden? He's been crappish to average practically all year and then, all of a sudden, he comes alive and starts playing his best at a season-ending indoor Masters tournament and in Europe of all places!!! :eek:

This will be his 3rd Masters final and 1st for 3 years (following 2012 Indian Wells and 2013 Cincinnati) and, given the form he displayed today, probably his best chance to finally win one!

Disappointing for Cilic after yesterday's exploits against Novak but he's enjoyed probably his best season to date since 2014 and still has London to look forward to in a week's time.
 
#97
I still can't get enough if it, it's bloody ridiculous, this serving.... Watching at 3-3 in the 2nd. I don't know why it bothers me so much, people saying Sampras had a better serve. Quite honestly nothing else bothers me...
Nostalgia, romanticism .... the angles Isner finds amaze me more than Ivo's. Technically I find his serve more impressive to watch even though Ivo's serve is slightly more effective it seems if we look at numbers. That is also because Isner has more bad days on serve, but yesterday he was almost unplayable. Actually Murray is the worst draw for him in the final, not because he is the new number 1 but because even peak Djokovic is a better match up for the american.
 
#98
just watched the highlights, looks like isner put more forward weight into his serve than usual and look how early second serve returns were. didnt know isner had that in him. he took every millisecond away from cilic
 
#99
What a ridiculous serving display from John. You would struggle to find a Sampras match, where he served as well as this.
80% 1st serve, 86% 1st serve win. Sampras's best against a notable player would be 1996 Wimbledon 2R against Philippoussis - 75% 1st serve, 93% 1st serve win, that's better. But Isner's best 1st serve performance is still better - 2012 Olympics 3R vs Tipsarevic, 83% 1st serve, 91% 1st serve win. To add, Karlovic's best serving performance against someone good is 2008 Queen's 3R vs Gonzalez - 79% 1st serve, 92% 1st serve win, 90% 2nd serve win (!!). This is still only his 2nd best serving performance; 2007 Zagreb R1 against Jiri Vanek (6-3 6-2) may well be the greatest servebotting of all time: 30/38 1st serve, 28/30 1st serve win, 8/8 2nd serve win for 36/38 total serve points won, 20 of those 36 were aces. Although Vanek probably tanked that.
 
80% 1st serve, 86% 1st serve win. Sampras's best against a notable player would be 1996 Wimbledon 2R against Philippoussis - 75% 1st serve, 93% 1st serve win, that's better. But Isner's best 1st serve performance is still better - 2012 Olympics 3R vs Tipsarevic, 83% 1st serve, 91% 1st serve win. To add, Karlovic's best serving performance against someone good is 2008 Queen's 3R vs Gonzalez - 79% 1st serve, 92% 1st serve win, 90% 2nd serve win (!!). This is still only his 2nd best serving performance; 2007 Zagreb R1 against Jiri Vanek (6-3 6-2) may well be the greatest servebotting of all time: 30/38 1st serve, 28/30 1st serve win, 8/8 2nd serve win for 36/38 total serve points won, 20 of those 36 were aces. Although Vanek probably tanked that.
Another little thing is that Sampras had to rely more on the shot after the serve. Generally a volley, but maybe a forehand as well. Whereas Ivo and Isner could just bomb down at brilliant angles, more unreturnable serves.
 
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