2016 WTA Finals.

Who will be the WTA finals champion?


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Ahahah! This "Towering Inferno's" approves your comment. :p It is certainly nice seeing players with physical disadvantages (theoretically, at least) competing and winning big titles. Hobbits deserve to be happy too!

(Oh, and let's not forget there is a "tall girl syndrome" supposedly. I don't exactly what it is, but it's a thing apparently.)
:) :) :)

It's just pretty nice to see a well-built feisty litte hobbit-lady grabbing this title - in stead of the usual Sharapova's and Ivanovic's, and the like, who have (or SHOULD have!) a certain advantage, merely because of their height - see Karlovic e.a. ;)

About the same reason why I always used to cheer for Oliver Rochus on the ATP. :)
 
:) :) :)

It's just pretty nice to see a well-built feisty litte hobbit-lady grabbing this title - in stead of the usual Sharapova's and Ivanovic's*, and the like, who have (or SHOULD have!) a certain advantage, merely because of their height - see Karlovic e.a. ;)

The slightly built Radwanska won the title last year so it's not all doom and gloom for the less well-built ladies. Good to see the Pocket Rocket continuing the trend though! ;)

* Ivanovic, of course, never made the final of the WTA Championships.
 
She stepped up in the biggest final of her career. What more can you ask from her? A lot of players both male and female should take note of how not to choke in the biggest final of your life and how to step up.

Without wishing to put a downer on Domi's great final performance I think the format of this event needs changing. Either just 1 group of 8 players with the top 2 playing the final or increase the field to 16 with only the winners of the 4 groups playing the semis. I think the fact that twice in a row the champion lost 2 out of 3 group matches devalues it.
 
Without wishing to put a downer on Domi's great final performance I think the format of this event needs changing. Either just 1 group of 8 players with the top 2 playing the final or increase the field to 16 with only the winners of the 4 groups playing the semis. I think the fact that twice in a row the champion lost 2 out of 3 group matches devalues it.

The ATP WTF has the same format and has been dominated by Fedole. That may change this year but the point is truly dominant players don't need anyone gaming the system to help them win. Without Serena, the YEC is a lottery because the gap in level of the others isn't that much and either one may beat the others.
 
He went all out to bash Radwanska last year and now that we have an unexpected champion for the second year in a row, he has nowhere to hide.
There's lots of places to "hide".
Radwanska didn't have to face the world number 1 to win last year, Cibulkova did.. twice!
Cibulkova pushed the world number 1 in the RR stage this year to 3 tight sets, Radwanska didn't have to face number 1 last year as said.
Radwanska in the RR lost in straight sets to Flavia Pennetta, a player who after winning the US Open, went 3-2 which included a loss to a player ranked #414 in the world. Cibulkova meanwhile lost in straight sets to Keys who finished the year with a Premier 5 Wuhan QF, Premier Mandatory China Open SF and Linz SF.
And of course in the final, Radwanska played a meh Petra Kvitova who didn't accomplish anything at slams in 2015. Cibulkova meanwhile faced the world number 1, 2x slam champion and additional slam finalist Kerber.

The two are barely comparable. And lol at the defending champion Radwanska winning just 3 games in her SF against the world number 1.
 
There's lots of places to "hide".
Radwanska didn't have to face the world number 1 to win last year, Cibulkova did.. twice!
Cibulkova pushed the world number 1 in the RR stage this year to 3 tight sets, Radwanska didn't have to face number 1 last year as said.
Radwanska in the RR lost in straight sets to Flavia Pennetta, a player who after winning the US Open, went 3-2 which included a loss to a player ranked #414 in the world. Cibulkova meanwhile lost in straight sets to Keys who finished the year with a Premier 5 Wuhan QF, Premier Mandatory China Open SF and Linz SF.
And of course in the final, Radwanska played a meh Petra Kvitova who didn't accomplish anything at slams in 2015. Cibulkova meanwhile faced the world number 1, 2x slam champion and additional slam finalist Kerber.

The two are barely comparable. And lol at the defending champion Radwanska winning just 3 games in her SF against the world number 1.
Lol, excuses excuses excuses!! Last year you said it was unfortunate that a non slam winner had won the YEC. By that standpoint, Radwanska and Cibulkova are eminently comparable. Hey I am not the one pretending that there is this thing such as an undeserving YEC winner, you are. And evidently you love the taste of plonking your foot in the mouth.
 
Baseless character slurs, bit rich from the person who said "And evidently you love the taste of plonking your foot in the mouth.". Anyway i'm off to actually do something on this forum and create a thread for the WTA elite trophy, haven't really seen you do anything worthwhile besides whinge.
 
Baseless character slurs, bit rich from the person who said "And evidently you love the taste of plonking your foot in the mouth.". Anyway i'm off to actually do something on this forum and create a thread for the WTA elite trophy, haven't really seen you do anything worthwhile besides whinge.
Foot in the mouth is not a character slur and if you put your foot in the mouth, I can't save you. :D Oh please spare me the sermon St Trollic; we are all of us whiling away time on a tennis forum. And as far as whining, hey I/we didn't start the fire.
 
There's lots of places to "hide".
Radwanska didn't have to face the world number 1 to win last year, Cibulkova did.. twice!
Cibulkova pushed the world number 1 in the RR stage this year to 3 tight sets, Radwanska didn't have to face number 1 last year as said.
Radwanska in the RR lost in straight sets to Flavia Pennetta, a player who after winning the US Open, went 3-2 which included a loss to a player ranked #414 in the world. Cibulkova meanwhile lost in straight sets to Keys who finished the year with a Premier 5 Wuhan QF, Premier Mandatory China Open SF and Linz SF.
And of course in the final, Radwanska played a meh Petra Kvitova who didn't accomplish anything at slams in 2015. Cibulkova meanwhile faced the world number 1, 2x slam champion and additional slam finalist Kerber.

The two are barely comparable. And lol at the defending champion Radwanska winning just 3 games in her SF against the world number 1.

You're doing a thing I really don't like in this forum: putting asterisks in everything. Radwanska played against the players the draw dictated and within the rules of this format. She couldn't play against the number 1, because Serena was a no-show. And just because a player was "meh" during a whole year or some part of it, that doesn't mean she can't play better during a certain tournament at the very end of the same year. Pennetta was a grand slam champion (unlike Keys) who announced her retirement shortly after winning the USO. The motivation wasn't the same.
So yes, the two are extremely comparable objectively speaking, because they won the tournament in the same fashion. You're free to like Cibulkova more or to feel her win was more interesting from your point of view, but they were both equally deserving in the end.
And everybody has bad days. Serena lost to Razzano in 2012, Kerber lost to Bouchard, Arruabarrena and Allertova just this year. That's the way things go in sports. One day, you will lose against someone unexpected or by an unexpected result only to win a big tournament a few months later.
 
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The format is what it is. I don't like it either. they should invite 10 players and make 2 groups and group winners should play the final. But Cibulkova and Radwanska won deservedly within the current rules. I'm very happy a player playing positive tennis won the tournament. I was hoping for a Cibulkova-Pliskova final but still happy for Dominika. She is a great personality and a very good role model for the kids.
 
Even though Kerber in lost in the finals, she once again proved herself as the TOP player. One that can consistently make deep runs in tournaments, and win. In 2016 that formula belonged solely to Kerber and Serena. Hopefully Cibulkova can take that next step and separate herself from all that depth, and he a consistent threat.
 
And it was only a couple of years ago that Cibulkova lost to 15 year old CC Bellis at the Open. That must have been one of her all time lows. So nice to see her back.
 
You're doing a thing I really don't like in this forum: putting asterisks in everything. Radwanska played against the players the draw dictated and within the rules of this format. She couldn't play against the number 1, because Serena was a no-show. And just because a player was "meh" during a whole year or some part of it, that doesn't mean she can't play better during a certain tournament at the very end of the same year. Pennetta was a grand slam champion (unlike Keys) who announced her retirement shortly after winning the USO. The motivation wasn't the same.
So yes, the two are extremely comparable objectively speaking, because they won the tournament in the same fashion. You're free to like Cibulkova more or to feel her win was more interesting from your point of view, but they were both equally deserving in the end.
And everybody has bad days. Serena lost to Razzano in 2012, Kerber lost to Bouchard, Arruabarrena and Allertova just this year. That's the way things go in sports. One day, you will lose against someone unexpected or by an unexpected result only to win a big tournament a few months later.
A sensible, well written post. You don't resort to insults to make extremely valid points.
And as for Radwanska: first, she actually turned up. She turned around a tight loss and made the semi finals. That's not too shabby.

She made the most of the format last year, this year it went against her, given Kuznetsova went through on h2h result even though she dropped more sets than Radwanska.
 
She stepped up in the biggest final of her career. What more can you ask from her? A lot of players both male and female should take note of how not to choke in the biggest final of your life and how to step up.

Technically it was the second biggest final of her career. But still, she played very well and deserved to take home the trophy.
 
Cilbulkova deserve her win over Kerber in the finals and be crown The Champion! She just played aggressive tennis and has the never say die spirit to take it to Kerber in both sets!

True but also to me it also seemed that Kerber couldn't or didn't care to move well ...
 
No reason for Kerber to care really. She had already secured YE No.1 before the tournament.
You'd think she'd want to win to cement her year. And also seems a tad silly to win her other matches just to lose the final.
Plus, more points under her belt.
Not really the attitude, if she truly didn't care, to remain number 1.
That said, I seriously doubt she will be this time next year. But we'll see :)
 
You'd think she'd want to win to cement her year. And also seems a tad silly to win her other matches just to lose the final.
Plus, more points under her belt.
Not really the attitude, if she truly didn't care, to remain number 1.
That said, I seriously doubt she will be this time next year. But we'll see :)

With the current state of WTA, she still has a great chance to stay at top.
Serena aging and losing interest, Azarenka coming back from motherhood (if she does), Sharapova coming back from a long ban at 30 years of age, Kvitova struggling to find true herself, Radwanska showing signs of aging, young prospects Pliskova/Keys/Muguruza failing to play consistent tennis... I don't see any hope for women's tennis other than maybe Kvitova/Pliskova.
 
With the current state of WTA, she still has a great chance to stay at top.
Serena aging and losing interest, Azarenka coming back from motherhood (if she does), Sharapova coming back from a long ban at 30 years of age, Kvitova struggling to find true herself, Radwanska showing signs of aging, young prospects Pliskova/Keys/Muguruza failing to play consistent tennis... I don't see any hope for women's tennis other than maybe Kvitova/Pliskova.

My co-national Halep being a tad lazy herself, apparently doesn't bother to train much etc...
 
Exactly and why risk an injury if she felt tired or a bit off?

She'll probably focus more of GSs such as AO.
I was just kidding mate. As for Halep, I completely forgot about her as she's not been a factor this year although she managed to finish near top. Would be happy to see her having a great year.
 
The fact that Kerber didn't tank against Keys (which would have taken out Cibulkova as it happened) when she was assured of the semis proves that she had tried her best in every match. Kuzzie's last group match against Muggie may or may not have been a little bit of a tank, although I can't fault her for that one since she had played so much tennis leading up.

Looking at the WTA top 10, top 20, top 50, the big tall girls, 6 ft Amazon types, have their place but are not dominant in any of those ranking categories. Like I said, all four semis here are four of the best runners atm. It is now all about running and rallying and working the rally until you find a winner, meaning you really need to get to work on all parts of the tennis book. Cibulkova as a player for example is nothing like what she was when she was losing to Woz back in 2011 AO. She wasn't playing those slices, droppers, lobs, and volleys then like she did against Kerber in both their matches here.

I think Kerber and Li Na have about similar power levels although Li is much more of an attacking player and Kerber is the counter attacker and more of a defender. I am not sure who is the better of the two in both game and achievements, they are very comparable.

Cibulkova served 67% of first serves against Li in their 2014 AO final which Li won 7-6, 6-0. Cibulkova only had 11-28 winners/UFE. This time round in the Kerber final she was at a staggering 83% first serves and 28-14. She had no way to afford slacking her of level in play at any point in the match, she had to redline, overdrive from start to finish to beat Kerber. Just couple of points here and there in the second set, say when Cibs was serving for the match when Kerber had bps, if they had gone Kerber's way would have totally changed the momentum and it is hard to ask Cibs to keep playing that way if it had gone to a third set seeing that at the end her serve was beginning to DF. (She served 7 DF against Li in 2014 AO).

This is the same with Radwanska, although Radwanska plays a completely different game. Players like Radwanska, Cibulkova don't have any margin for error at the elite of elite level, like QF, SF, Final level at Grand slams or YEC matches. Radwanska played a brilliant match to defeat her nemesis Azarenka in the 2014 QF, promptly lost to Cibulkova 1 and 2 in the semis. Just like this time, although it was the WTA semi finals against Kerber. Radwanska plays a very very intricate game to win her matches. It takes super physical concentration and mental concentration. None of her points come easily. She doesn't get blown away by power (except against one person) so much as that style may unravel because it is difficult to sustain such a game against several elite opponents in a row.

So I am completely fine with the RR format as it stands. It should be different from slams and regular tournament. It should allow a second chance. Going 1-2 in RR but coming back to win the whole thing just proves how tough the competition is. I am completely happy for Cibulkova winning her YEC as I was for Radwanska last year. They both fully earned their wins. It just wouldn't be right if these two ended their careers without a big title, although not a slam, the next biggest. This was a great tourny. Serena is/was far too great to allow the others reward for the work and talents, but even Serena has to slow down for others to take their place too. The other one, the banned person, I didn't miss here. The only person missing really was Azarenka.
 
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With the current state of WTA, she still has a great chance to stay at top.
Serena aging and losing interest, Azarenka coming back from motherhood (if she does), Sharapova coming back from a long ban at 30 years of age, Kvitova struggling to find true herself, Radwanska showing signs of aging, young prospects Pliskova/Keys/Muguruza failing to play consistent tennis... I don't see any hope for women's tennis other than maybe Kvitova/Pliskova.
It's not so much the competition: I just think remaining healthy and defending all those points might be a stretch.
 
It's not so much the competition: I just think remaining healthy and defending all those points might be a stretch.

Especially as she's getting closer to her 30's. There's no reason to believe she'll be faster or stronger going forward. We might well have witnessed peak Kerber in 2016.
 
Especially as she's getting closer to her 30's. There's no reason to believe she'll be faster or stronger going forward. We might well have witnessed peak Kerber in 2016.
I wouldn't be especially surprised if you're right: 2 majors to defend, Wimbledon r/up points. It's a big ask. I guess the AO might be an indication.
 
Don't know where to post this skill of Radwanska. WTA likes putting up these Radwanska clips.

check her ball anticipation at 0:11. She does that stuff all the time.

The finesse types like McEnroe, Mecir, Hingis, .... Radwanska. Moving way before the ball is struck. The best anticipation.

Power like Delpo, Kvitova is a great thing to have, but control is also at least equally great.

 
Don't know where to post this skill of Radwanska. WTA likes putting up these Radwanska clips.

check her ball anticipation at 0:11. She does that stuff all the time.

The finesse types like McEnroe, Mecir, Hingis, .... Radwanska. Moving way before the ball is struck. The best anticipation.

Power like Delpo, Kvitova is a great thing to have, but control is also at least equally great.


We've to make a thread for her (damn, even Bouchard has her very own thread - and yes, I know one of the main reasons for its existence is not tennis related). @PDJ would appreciate that, too. ;)

The rest of your post is spot on.
 
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Wow, huge surprise in the Limoges final. What seemed like a formality (Garcia defending her title) turned into a bit of a nightmare for the French crowd.
Congratulations to Alexandrova on her very first WTA title.
 
Wow, huge surprise in the Limoges final. What seemed like a formality (Garcia defending her title) turned into a bit of a nightmare for the French crowd.
Congratulations to Alexandrova on her very first WTA title.
What about Cornet getting bagelled in her last match of the season... Bit embarrassing, I hadn't really heard of Alexandrova but good to see her back up the Cornet win to defeat Garcia!
 
Also since this thread got bumped, might as well mention that both Pliskova and Svitolina who had their best seasons this year have split with their coaches. Very odd to see.

Pliskova splits from Jiri Vanek
Svitolina splits from Iain Hughes

I still can't tell if Henin is working with Svitolina or not. I'm guessing no cause I haven't seen it in a while.
 
What about Cornet getting bagelled in her last match of the season... Bit embarrassing, I hadn't really heard of Alexandrova but good to see her back up the Cornet win to defeat Garcia!

Nothing seems to be going right for the French ladies on home soil since their narrow loss to the Czechs in Fed Cup last week. :confused:
 
Also since this thread got bumped, might as well mention that both Pliskova and Svitolina who had their best seasons this year have split with their coaches. Very odd to see.

Pliskova splits from Jiri Vanek
Svitolina splits from Iain Hughes

I still can't tell if Henin is working with Svitolina or not. I'm guessing no cause I haven't seen it in a while.

Continues to describe her as a specialist consultant on Svitolina's WTA profile. However, Iain Hughes is still described as her coach so it may not be completely up to date.

http://www.wtatennis.com/players/player/15788/title/elina-svitolina
 
Wow, huge surprise in the Limoges final. What seemed like a formality (Garcia defending her title) turned into a bit of a nightmare for the French crowd.
Congratulations to Alexandrova on her very first WTA title.

Damn, now I'm starting to feel sorry for the French people... Nothing is going their way on home soil.
(But we're receiving the cosmic vengeance, though. Brexit, Trump winning, Bowie/Prince/Cohen dying in the same year we've finally won that elusive European Cup? Oh, c'mon! Give us a break!)
 
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