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#10What's his ranking now? I expect him to take some time off. Wouldn't shock me if he skipped the french and set his sights on wimbledon.
#10What's his ranking now? I expect him to take some time off. Wouldn't shock me if he skipped the french and set his sights on wimbledon.
I'm delighted. Still don't enjoy Fedal but I'm delighted. If this was Roger's last time the AO and quite possibly professional tennis, then he couldn't have gotten a more poetic ending.
I'm delighted. Still don't enjoy Fedal but I'm delighted. If this was Roger's last time the AO and quite possibly professional tennis, then he couldn't have gotten a more poetic ending.
I'm delighted. Still don't enjoy Fedal but I'm delighted. If this was Roger's last time the AO and quite possibly professional tennis, then he couldn't have gotten a more poetic ending.
I'm delighted. Still don't enjoy Fedal but I'm delighted. If this was Roger's last time the AO and quite possibly professional tennis, then he couldn't have gotten a more poetic ending.
I'm delighted. Still don't enjoy Fedal but I'm delighted. If this was Roger's last time the AO and quite possibly professional tennis, then he couldn't have gotten a more poetic ending.
I'm delighted. Still don't enjoy Fedal but I'm delighted. If this was Roger's last time the AO and quite possibly professional tennis, then he couldn't have gotten a more poetic ending.
Roger dares to believe he can survive.Thanks for your response. What I gather is that you're delighted but still don't enjoy Fedal; that if it's Roger's last roll of the dice then his ending couldn't have been more poetic.![]()
All this proves that even Nadal has declined a lot just like Federer, hence why our beloved Novak got the HTH lead against both. And after the first 2 rounds of the AO you were claiming Federer would get kicked out early, nice to see you backtracking as ever. Deep inside you're salty, we all know it. Chum Jetzt! Federer is now the clear HC GOAT with 10 HC slams and on 3 different HC surfaces.
P.S You should now change your name to RF 19![]()
I have no idea how that happened.Thanks for your response. What I gather is that you're delighted but still don't enjoy Fedal; that if it's Roger's last roll of the dice then his ending couldn't have been more poetic.![]()
Hahahahahaha! If his FH was as good as ever, our favourite Novack would still be on 1 Wimbledon tops and probably without a USO. He can handle Nadal better now at a time when everyone else is also handling Nadal. Fognini beat him on clay something like 3 in a row. You're a total joke of a poster with no clue. You want to validate Novack's vulturing against gramps and push your agenda. Continue being salty. FEDERER IS GOAT AND HC GOAT. Taste it.No, actually today Federer proved why he said what he said in 2015. He is a better player and has improved, he has adapted to the modern game and the new generation. Serve, BH, net play, better attacker, FH still as good as ever, return of serve still there on HCs and more importantly: He can handle nadal thanks to his improved BH.
I can't see how Federer before was better. The only difference is the mileage and that federer can't play as much anymore as he used too cause I think he would want to enjoy life after retirement. But purely as a tennis player, he is better. He has become better in the most important shots in tennis, like the serve, and improved other parts of his game that suits this generation and style of tennis.
One thing is for sure, Fed would dominate Novak on these courts at least 8 times out of 10, regardless of age. Please think about the court speed and style. It's a massive, massive factor. And he would have even more slams if the courts had been more suited to him this decade.No, actually today Federer proved why he said what he said in 2015. He is a better player and has improved, he has adapted to the modern game and the new generation. Serve, BH, net play, better attacker, FH still as good as ever, return of serve still there on HCs and more importantly: He can handle nadal thanks to his improved BH.
I can't see how Federer before was better. The only difference is the mileage and that federer can't play as much anymore as he used too cause I think he would want to enjoy life after retirement. But purely as a tennis player, he is better. He has become better in the most important shots in tennis, like the serve, and improved other parts of his game that suits this generation and style of tennis.
Hahahahahaha! If his FH was as good as ever, our favourite Novack would still be on 1 Wimbledon tops and probably without a USO. He can handle Nadal better now at a time when everyone else is also handling Nadal. Fognini beat him on clay something like 3 in a row. You're a total joke of a poster with no clue. You want to validate Novack's vulturing against gramps and push your agenda. Continue being salty. FEDERER IS GOAT AND HC GOAT. Taste it.No, actually today Federer proved why he said what he said in 2015. He is a better player and has improved, he has adapted to the modern game and the new generation. Serve, BH, net play, better attacker, FH still as good as ever, return of serve still there on HCs and more importantly: He can handle nadal thanks to his improved BH.
I can't see how Federer before was better. The only difference is the mileage and that federer can't play as much anymore as he used too cause I think he would want to enjoy life after retirement. But purely as a tennis player, he is better. He has become better in the most important shots in tennis, like the serve, and improved other parts of his game that suits this generation and style of tennis.
One thing is for sure, Fed would dominate Novak on these courts at least 8 times out of 10, regardless of age. Please think about the court speed and style. It's a massive, massive factor. And he would have even more slams if the courts had been more suited to him this decade.No, actually today Federer proved why he said what he said in 2015. He is a better player and has improved, he has adapted to the modern game and the new generation. Serve, BH, net play, better attacker, FH still as good as ever, return of serve still there on HCs and more importantly: He can handle nadal thanks to his improved BH.
I can't see how Federer before was better. The only difference is the mileage and that federer can't play as much anymore as he used too cause I think he would want to enjoy life after retirement. But purely as a tennis player, he is better. He has become better in the most important shots in tennis, like the serve, and improved other parts of his game that suits this generation and style of tennis.
Was unable to like your post six times, but I was required to click it that many times to register the like.Thanks for your response. What I gather is that you're delighted but still don't enjoy Fedal; that if it's Roger's last roll of the dice then his ending couldn't have been more poetic.![]()
Hahahahahaha! If his FH was as good as ever, our favourite Novack would still be on 1 Wimbledon tops and probably without a USO. He can handle Nadal better now at a time when everyone else is also handling Nadal. Fognini beat him on clay something like 3 in a row. You're a total joke of a poster with no clue. You want to validate Novack's vulturing against gramps and push your agenda. Continue being salty. FEDERER IS GOAT AND HC GOAT. Taste it.
Nadal for these two weeks has been playing excellent tennis, and to reach a GS final means you are at a very high level. It doesn't compare to at the stage nadal was when he met Fognini or the guys you are talking about. To reach a GS final you must be at a very high level.
I think the delusion lies in that people think Federer was 15 times the better player before, but of course that is only delusion. He wasn't.
I guess you've never been happier to be proven wrong?Federer!!!
From the same joke poster who kept trying to degrade Wawrinka's wins vs Djokovic last year and the year before last.Nadal for these two weeks has been playing excellent tennis, and to reach a GS final means you are at a very high level. It doesn't compare to at the stage nadal was when he met Fognini or the guys you are talking about. To reach a GS final you must be at a very high level.
I think the delusion lies in that people think Federer was 15 times the better player before, but of course that is only delusion. He wasn't.
I guess you've never been happier to be proven wrong?Federer!!!
From the same joke poster who kept trying to degrade Wawrinka's wins vs Djokovic last year and the year before last.Nadal for these two weeks has been playing excellent tennis, and to reach a GS final means you are at a very high level. It doesn't compare to at the stage nadal was when he met Fognini or the guys you are talking about. To reach a GS final you must be at a very high level.
I think the delusion lies in that people think Federer was 15 times the better player before, but of course that is only delusion. He wasn't.
You won't get your 18th Roger. But you did well to come this far. Could've never foreseen the final at the start of the tournament. But you'll give the organizers their hefty revenue. And get out of there with your head held high.
I've bet $250 on Nadal. At least I'll get some money...
Is it me or did Federer hardly use his slice? I thought that was the shot he would use the most and I thought that there was no way for him to survive at the baseline but he was hitting Rafa off the court at times.
Beating Nadal for both Basel 2015 and AO 2017 titles as well.Crazy, that was Federer's first title since Basel 2015! His first final since Brisbane 2016.
I noticed the same as well. Federer looked like he was hitting through and over the ball on the backhand side. Nadal in the past has been able to hit up the line against the slice cross-court. Not only was he not hitting less slice, he looked like he was emphatically stepping into the backhand and taking it early.
I was surprised I didn't hear commentary about this unless I missed it during a breakfast break. In the past it was common to see Federer swiping at backhands at or above shoulder height.
Federer is definitely smarter player right now, since he's more experienced than 10 years ago. His strategical approach against Nadal these days is more efficient due to the experience he's gained in the matches against him.No, actually today Federer proved why he said what he said in 2015. He is a better player and has improved, he has adapted to the modern game and the new generation. Serve, BH, net play, better attacker, FH still as good as ever, return of serve still there on HCs and more importantly: He can handle nadal thanks to his improved BH.
I can't see how Federer before was better. The only difference is the mileage and that federer can't play as much anymore as he used too cause I think he would want to enjoy life after retirement. But purely as a tennis player, he is better. He has become better in the most important shots in tennis, like the serve, and improved other parts of his game that suits this generation and style of tennis.
So that is the reason why you root for Federer to win.At least Rafa's now joined the other big 4 members in losing three finals in a row at the same slam so if nothing else he's in good company.![]()
Absolutely the stroke that won the title for him IMO. He played so quick and offensive, taking it on the rise all the time. Great stuff!
Agree, 100 %. That backhand. Ivan can take some well deserved credit for that too, I believe.Dramatic match, and I thought the overall better player won it
Federer had a better winner/ UE ratio, created (and won!) more BPs and won 11 more points in total.
I loved how he didn´t slice, but went for it from his backhand side. It really was the stroke that won the match for him today, strange as it sounds...
Federer is definitely smarter player right now, since he's more experienced than 10 years ago. His strategical approach against Nadal these days is more efficient due to the experience he's gained in the matches against him.
But, it's one thing to be at your physical peak and to be able to execute the strategy you prepared before the match and to be older and, even though smarter, your physical condition (slower movement, tougher recovery after the match, tiredness etc) doesn't allow you to optimally set up for your shots - that's where you have it wrong. It's about the execution and Federer is far from his best years in that department.
His serve is better, his backhand is more steadier, although in his peak he could really hit a winner from everywhere with it, his backhand return is better. His forehand, however, is one level below compared to what it was before 2013.
Federer is definitely smarter player right now, since he's more experienced than 10 years ago. His strategical approach against Nadal these days is more efficient due to the experience he's gained in the matches against him.
But, it's one thing to be at your physical peak and to be able to execute the strategy you prepared before the match and to be older and, even though smarter, your physical condition (slower movement, tougher recovery after the match, tiredness etc) doesn't allow you to optimally set up for your shots - that's where you have it wrong. It's about the execution and Federer is far from his best years in that department.
His serve is better, his backhand is more steadier, although in his peak he could really hit a winner from everywhere with it, his backhand return is better. His forehand, however, is one level below compared to what it was before 2013.
No doubt about that!I guess you've never been happier to be proven wrong?
You know, I'm beginning to think you really were influencing the match!Ok i already missed 3 sets because of that superstitious ****, i'm just gonna go for it and watch the 4th one![]()
Completely agree, man. And I think that Federer has been very smart with his trade-offs, a bigger racket certainly didn't help him with the racket head speed, but it has made that backhand (and his serve) a real weapon, especially the return, and made his baseline game more steady.Absolutely this. He's definitely grown more experienced in the matchup, but more experience, better strategy and even a better mentality when going up against his biggest challenge might mean little if he doesn't have the legs to pull it off. Good thing the physical aspect didn't play a huge role on Federer's game today and he was able to execute his game well enough. I think he also paced himself well during the whole match, and made most of the points short and sweet. The match felt like it was played at Federer's pace for a change, they were going into the 4th set with less than 2 and a half hours of game. That was definitely not a Nadal paced game, and I'd suspect Grigor softened Nadal just enough so he couldn't impose his own physical game too much.
But overall, Fed's game in the last few years has probably been undergoing a number of small tradeoffs (never mind the injuries starting to appear due to age), he may lose a bit on his forehand but the serve keeps being one of the best strokes ever in the game. The backhand and return improves a bit according to matchups, but his movement and energy around the court decreases and he's at least one step slower than last time he's won a slam. Some of that may have related to the racket change too. So not the "full steam ahead!" Fedexpress of old, but still managing his resources quite well.
If the tour and tournament organizers can finally show some love for the old man who's nearing the end of his career by speeding up the court/balls just enough, he can still remain relevant, maybe even for another year. Surely, we had enough of a decade of slow tennis right?
The heavier racket doesn't allow him to generate such an enormous head speed, so, yeah, his forehand is not as fast/sharp as it used to be. But, you are right, he cannot cover the court as good as before, so the bigger racket definitely helps - I don't think he used to shank his forehand before, but his backhand looks definitely more solid.In this tournament, there were shades of the old magic on the forehand too. It's still inconsistent but he was able to go confidently for sharper angles and paint the lines today and in a crunch match at that. In 2015, it was deep but straight and fairly predictable. Of course, it won't be the GOAT stroke it once was but maybe he shanks less (or gets away with more mishits) due to the bigger racquet head?
this means a lot so thank you. apologize in advance for the obnoxious fed fans lmao i know this forum will be rough but right now I'm on cloud 9Well, you've always had my respect Roger, now you have my awe. Congrats to you, your team and your decent fans who've never stopped believing that slam number 18 would happen. You're a truly remarkable champion.
this means a lot so thank you. apologize in advance for the obnoxious fed fans lmao i know this forum will be rough but right now I'm on cloud 9Well, you've always had my respect Roger, now you have my awe. Congrats to you, your team and your decent fans who've never stopped believing that slam number 18 would happen. You're a truly remarkable champion.
Watch Federer win, just bc I'm so sure he won't![]()
I'm telling youAre you joking ?
Fed should be proud to be in final at 35 but he's gonna get destroyed. Baaaaaaad