2017 Australian Open - Men's Singles - General Discussion Thread

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stringertom

Bionic Poster
What's the cut line for qualies on the men's side? There are a number of teenagers in the low to mid 200s I'm hoping get a chance to earn a main draw spot.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
I'd say there's a 90% chance that the winner is gonna be either Djokovic or Murray. 9% for Wawrinka, Raonic or Nishikori. 1% for everyone else.

My gut feeling is Djokovic one last time.
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Novak won't win it, trust me. He'll be lucky to reach the final. I don't think that will happen either, but it's at least possible. No way Djokovic wins AO, unless he has like 3 walkovers along the way. That happened at US Open last year, and he couldn't even win that. He hasn't played his best tennis in months.
 
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ark_28

Legend
Novak won't win it, trust me. He'll be lucky to reach the final. I don't think that will happen either, but it's at least possible. No way Djokovic wins AO, unless he has like 3 walkovers along the way. That happened at US Open last year, and he couldn't even win that. He hasn't played his best tennis in months.
Apart from a GOATING Stan or possibly Sir John Isner if he catches fire who can stop Novak? certainly not Federer or Murray who are no match for him over 5 sets on the slow hard courts of Melbourne and i dont see Raonic being able to sustain the level needed for long enough either
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Apart from a GOATING Stan or possibly Sir John Isner if he catches fire who can stop Novak? certainly not Federer or Murray who are no match for him over 5 sets on the slow hard courts of Melbourne and i dont see Raonic being able to sustain the level needed for long enough either
But I think we are overestimating Djok, based on his 2015 and first half of 2016 performance. Remember how long it took for people to realize that Nadal and Federer had lost it, still expecting them to make every final, until it finally set in. We're still in that mode, as tennis fans, but he hasn't put in a near peak performance in over 6 months, and quite frankly he isn't getting any younger. Is it physically possible that he can win? Yes, but it would take so many things going in his favour, as well as him finding his best form and focus again, which seems very unlikely.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Looking at Djokovic, there's reason to think he'll have a bigger chance then at other slams, but looking at how he went into prior Aussie Opens, it definitely isn't just another year like it's been since 2011.

And I really think Zverev could be a really sweet long shot here.
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Looking at Djokovic, there's reason to think he'll have a bigger chance then at other slams, but looking at how he went into prior Aussie Opens, it definitely isn't just another year like it's been since 2011.

And I really think Zverev could be a really sweet long shot here.
@Red Rick Yes!!! Atleast a QF.;)
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
@Red Rick Yes!!! Atleast a QF.;)
I'm kinda cautious with statments like that, because of his relatively low ranking, so he may get Murray or so from round 4 onwards. That said, despite that he's only 24 in the world, he's amongst the 8 biggest favourites for me. I think he's got a chance vs anyone with the right tactic
 

Urkezi

Semi-Pro
@Red Rick Yes!!! Atleast a QF.;)
Hopefully, but so much depends on the draw. He can get DelPo, Roger, Dimitrov, Nadal or someone like that quite early and that would be a really hard obstacle. But I am hoping Big Z goes far this time and at least knocks down one top dog, Lord knows we need a change from this boring tennis at the very top.
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Hopefully, but so much depends on the draw. He can get DelPo, Roger, Dimitrov, Nadal or someone like that quite early and that would be a really hard obstacle. But I am hoping Big Z goes far this time and at least knocks down one top dog, Lord knows we need a change from this boring tennis at the very top.
Yes, he needs to take a big scalp, and make a real statement at the slams. I've been impressed how he has grown over the last year. He seems to be progressing at a rapid rate at the moment. He gained a bit of strength over the off season, and he's at the age now where he's ready to make a jump forward. I'm convinced he will atleast reach a slam SF this year, at some point. Anything less will be disappointing given how he is doing at the smaller events.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
What's the cut line for qualies on the men's side? There are a number of teenagers in the low to mid 200s I'm hoping get a chance to earn a main draw spot.
The current alternates depth chart from a forbidden competing tennis forum:
IN O'Connell, Christopher AUS 239
IN Hernandez-Fernandez, Jose DOM 241
OUT Dancevic, Frank CAN 242
1. Eysseric, Jonathan FRA 243
2. Mesaros, Kristijan CRO 244
3. Kolar, Zdenek CZE 245
4. Baker, Brian USA 246
5. Ilhan, Marsel TUR 247
6. Ramanathan, Ramkumar IND 248
7. Barrere, Gregoire FRA 249
8. Van Der Duim, Antal NED 250
9. Coria, Federico ARG 252
10. Shapovalov, Denis CAN 253
 

underground

G.O.A.T.
I seriously don't get Nadal's odds. He hasn't reached a slam QF for 2.5 years, and people think he has a better chance of winning the AO than Raonic? It's ridiculous. Ever since 2014, people have been disregarding a lot of Nadal's losses, citing "it's fine; it's a one off; he still needs some time to find form; he's shown signs of improvement; he got unlucky and ran into a red hot opponent... etc etc". Well guess what, these losses have been happening time and time and time again, people need to realise that Nadal simply doesn't have it in him, and it'll take a near miracle/ joke joke draw for him to win a slam (or at least there's no way he's more of a favourite than Raonic). And before some of you rebut with similar ideologies for Fed, remember his last 4 slam performances were 2 finals and 2 SF. Nadal? 3R 1R 3R 4R

Ranting aside, here's the seeds Fed can meet:

R3: Kyrgios, RBA, Pouille, Dimitrov
R4: Djokovic, Murray, Raonic, Stan
QF: Nishikori, Monfils, Cilic, Thiem (or Nadal, Berdych, Goffin, Tsonga should they play above their seedings in R4)

R3 looks doable apart from Kyrgios which can be a tough battle, but he has shown signs of injury yesterday at the Hopman Cup. Kyrgios withdrawing won't help much either, it merely changes Fed's potential seeds for R3 if he gets bumped to #16 (in which case he could face Isner, Karlovic or Ferrer).

Either way, I'm expecting Fed to reach at least R4, and prepare for blockbuster on Sunday/Monday. (Or he could get lucky if Raonic/Stan is upset, which case he has an outsiders chance of reaching SF).
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Hopefully, but so much depends on the draw. He can get DelPo, Roger, Dimitrov, Nadal or someone like that quite early and that would be a really hard obstacle. But I am hoping Big Z goes far this time and at least knocks down one top dog, Lord knows we need a change from this boring tennis at the very top.
Delpo is out. Fed and Zed are in the same boat so they won't draw each other early (seeded in 17-24 range unless someone drops allowing Fed to move up from 17th seed.) Seeds 17-24 will draw a seed from 9-16 in R32. Dimitrov is the only scary player in that 9-16 group for Federer and Zverev. Nadal still can't serve and Kygrios just had injury issue at Hopman:confused: so unlikely to light fire at Auz this year. They are both probably better off that a top seed does not drop out of the tournament as then another Fed vs Zed showdown could happen R32.:confused:

Looks like Kohly snagged the 32 seed leaving Johnson and Muller floating.:oops: Other dangerous floaters that come to mind are Coric (just lost to Chung at Chennai:confused:), Edmund, and Donaldson should he make it through qualifying.

Rest easy. Sascha can't get Murray in round 1 again.:p
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Thanks @Meles thats a great round up. So Sascha should reach the 4th round at least, provided he plays well and doesn't hit any nightmare matchups. Honestly, anything is better than the round 1 exit from last year, but I would love this AO to be Zeds most successful slam to date, so at least a round 4 finish.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
I seriously don't get Nadal's odds. He hasn't reached a slam QF for 2.5 years, and people think he has a better chance of winning the AO than Raonic? It's ridiculous. Ever since 2014, people have been disregarding a lot of Nadal's losses, citing "it's fine; it's a one off; he still needs some time to find form; he's shown signs of improvement; he got unlucky and ran into a red hot opponent... etc etc". Well guess what, these losses have been happening time and time and time again, people need to realise that Nadal simply doesn't have it in him, and it'll take a near miracle/ joke joke draw for him to win a slam (or at least there's no way he's more of a favourite than Raonic). And before some of you rebut with similar ideologies for Fed, remember his last 4 slam performances were 2 finals and 2 SF. Nadal? 3R 1R 3R 4R

Ranting aside, here's the seeds Fed can meet:

R3: Kyrgios, RBA, Pouille, Dimitrov
R4: Djokovic, Murray, Raonic, Stan
QF: Nishikori, Monfils, Cilic, Thiem (or Nadal, Berdych, Goffin, Tsonga should they play above their seedings in R4)

R3 looks doable apart from Kyrgios which can be a tough battle, but he has shown signs of injury yesterday at the Hopman Cup. Kyrgios withdrawing won't help much either, it merely changes Fed's potential seeds for R3 if he gets bumped to #16 (in which case he could face Isner, Karlovic or Ferrer).

Either way, I'm expecting Fed to reach at least R4, and prepare for blockbuster on Sunday/Monday. (Or he could get lucky if Raonic/Stan is upset, which case he has an outsiders chance of reaching SF).
Those odds show the betting sites are based on popularity to some extent. Raonic is an immient threat to win this event with Murray as the only secure roadblock. All sorts of players can beat Nadal since his serve game is still suspect.

The OP @tipsa...don'tlikehim! should sign us all up for a betting hedge fun where we bet against Nadal and other over rated players.

If Fed gets bumped to 16 you missed Zverev as potential R3 clash (he's way better than the three you named and still improving by the week.) For R3 with Fed as 17 seed, Dimitrov is the only real threat. R4, Djokovic might be the foe of choice or pehaps Stanimal. Dimi and Thiem are potential QF threats, but red hot Dimitrov (who at rock bottom took sets off Fed last year at Auz and Brisbane) has to get by one of the big boys R16 (top 4) to make QF.

Federer has a chance to make a big run. He'll be more rested for a clash at R4 (round of 16) then later, so he'll have a great chance to blow open the draw. Conservatively he should make R4, its easy to see him making another SF or better as Murray and Raonic are the only in form players in the top 4. Whose to say they don't end up in the other half of the draw?:D
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
The current alternates depth chart from a forbidden competing tennis forum:
IN O'Connell, Christopher AUS 239
IN Hernandez-Fernandez, Jose DOM 241
OUT Dancevic, Frank CAN 242
1. Eysseric, Jonathan FRA 243
2. Mesaros, Kristijan CRO 244
3. Kolar, Zdenek CZE 245
4. Baker, Brian USA 246
5. Ilhan, Marsel TUR 247
6. Ramanathan, Ramkumar IND 248
7. Barrere, Gregoire FRA 249
8. Van Der Duim, Antal NED 250
9. Coria, Federico ARG 252
10. Shapovalov, Denis CAN 253
Great! There are more than a half dozen teens that are DA to the qualies, from Tiafoe with a high seed to Ruud just above the alternate cut line.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Thanks @Meles thats a great round up. So Sascha should reach the 4th round at least, provided he plays well and doesn't hit any nightmare matchups. Honestly, anything is better than the round 1 exit from last year, but I would love this AO to be Zeds most successful slam to date, so at least a round 4 finish.
I just talked about Fed a couple posts above.
The Zed version is the same. Atm Zverev looks to be the biggest threat among the NextGen. If he doesn't hit Dimigod R32 and gets to R16 (R4) here is the matrix:
1. Murray - Murray owns Zverev so this would be doom
2. Djokovic - they've never played, but Djoko is weak. I don't think Zverev has enough power to hit by Nole, so this still may be a bridge too far on paper
3. Wawrinka - just beat him in Final where Wawa still had semblance of US Open form. Zed is playing better by the week so I like his chances
4. Raonic - Zed has the great first return game and reach to handle RaoSlug. Could easily see him systematically disect Raonic. Raonic will return Zverev well too, so Z has to break Raonic at least once a set which is not easy.

Zverev will handle Nadal. Thiem is a potential roadblock. Zverev handled him well in their last encounter, but Thiem played great for much of the Dimitrov match in their Brisbane QF.

Thiem is physically back pretty much with a new serve game. He doesn't look to be making the big speed and talent leaps that Zverev is managing at the start of 2017, but Thiem is plenty dangerous for the following reasons:
1. He's beasting. He hit a ton of hard, hard shots and serves at Dimitrov with no letup. Physically Thiem is still getting stronger and he may become something like a slower version of Nadal with more power and nearly the stamina. Long run that is a beast especially in the 5 set format. Thiem makes his opponents work like Nadal, but has yet to achieve the stamina to be left standing at end of slam. Auz is Thiem's most likely candidate for slam stamina breakthrough and it could easily be this tournament; he looks that good.
2. He's close to in form. Some of Thiem's best form ever against Dimitrov; just a bridge too far to come back from the horror of the 2nd half of 2016, but Thiem is close.:eek:
3. His serve has been changed. Thiem's Superkicker may have been the culprit that took him down in 2016 as his serve percentages dipped through the Spring and his forehand lost its sting (won Stuttgart with 25 DFs and a crap serve.) Thiem apprently has some changes to serve based on TTW members comments on form and he seems to be able to hit it utlra hard a lot more (220 to 230 kph range). The downside is the promise of the superkicker and near 70% first serve percentage does not seem to be happening, but the bigger serve and a nastier 2nd seem to be working well. Dimitrov got off the hook at Brisbane due to Thiem's new serve breaking down under pressures with a bunch of DFs.

I don't see a giant leap for Thiem in the future, but as these three come together it should be enough to make him very dangerous and stay near the top of the game. Likely to do new Thiem thread if the form from Dimigod match continues at Sydney this week where Thiem is the top seed.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Great! There are more than a half dozen teens that are DA to the qualies, from Tiafoe with a high seed to Ruud just above the alternate cut line.
Fingers crossed for Shaps. Would like to see him on surface. Saw some of your charges in Qualies for Auckland or lists including Fritz.:D
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Fingers crossed for Shaps. Would like to see him on surface. Saw some of your charges in Qualies for Auckland or lists including Fritz.:D
Mmoh better is the #3 seed in qualies there. Hopefully he gets several matches to tuneup for his AO WC entry. He plays Aussie Greg Jones today.
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
I just talked about Fed a couple posts above.
The Zed version is the same. Atm Zverev looks to be the biggest threat among the NextGen. If he doesn't hit Dimigod R32 and gets to R16 (R4) here is the matrix:
1. Murray - Murray owns Zverev so this would be doom
2. Djokovic - they've never played, but Djoko is weak. I don't think Zverev has enough power to hit by Nole, so this still may be a bridge too far on paper
3. Wawrinka - just beat him in Final where Wawa still had semblance of US Open form. Zed is playing better by the week so I like his chances
4. Raonic - Zed has the great first return game and reach to handle RaoSlug. Could easily see him systematically disect Raonic. Raonic will return Zverev well too, so Z has to break Raonic at least once a set which is not easy.

Zverev will handle Nadal. Thiem is a potential roadblock. Zverev handled him well in their last encounter, but Thiem played great for much of the Dimitrov match in their Brisbane QF.

Thiem is physically back pretty much with a new serve game. He doesn't look to be making the big speed and talent leaps that Zverev is managing at the start of 2017, but Thiem is plenty dangerous for the following reasons:
1. He's beasting. He hit a ton of hard, hard shots and serves at Dimitrov with no letup. Physically Thiem is still getting stronger and he may become something like a slower version of Nadal with more power and nearly the stamina. Long run that is a beast especially in the 5 set format. Thiem makes his opponents work like Nadal, but has yet to achieve the stamina to be left standing at end of slam. Auz is Thiem's most likely candidate for slam stamina breakthrough and it could easily be this tournament; he looks that good.
2. He's close to in form. Some of Thiem's best form ever against Dimitrov; just a bridge too far to come back from the horror of the 2nd half of 2016, but Thiem is close.:eek:
3. His serve has been changed. Thiem's Superkicker may have been the culprit that took him down in 2016 as his serve percentages dipped through the Spring and his forehand lost its sting (won Stuttgart with 25 DFs and a crap serve.) Thiem apprently has some changes to serve based on TTW members comments on form and he seems to be able to hit it utlra hard a lot more (220 to 230 kph range). The downside is the promise of the superkicker and near 70% first serve percentage does not seem to be happening, but the bigger serve and a nastier 2nd seem to be working well. Dimitrov got off the hook at Brisbane due to Thiem's new serve breaking down under pressures with a bunch of DFs.

I don't see a giant leap for Thiem in the future, but as these three come together it should be enough to make him very dangerous and stay near the top of the game. Likely to do new Thiem thread if the form from Dimigod match continues at Sydney this week where Thiem is the top seed.
Another fantastic post. The only think which I think we disagree on here is Djokovic. I think Zed could blow Djokovic off the court at the AO this year. I watched Djokovic at Qatar, he was close to getting blown away in the wind! He is so thin and gaunt now, and I simply don't think that Zee's power game would be a good match up for him. Djokovic has very few ways to deal with Zverev, besides just making him move around a lot which isn't really a problem. His best chance would be to sit back and wait for Zed to implode on his own, under the pressure, which has been known to happen.

Anyway, on the subject of Thiem, I kinda lost track of how things were going once he started picking up the injuries. It was a sad end to the season for him, he never quite recovered. That being said, it doesn't surprise me that he is ready to start going deep. He always seemed to be the most ready, he just needs to focus closer on the larger events, where he can really impress. Hopefully both he and Zverev can reach at least one SF this year, if a few of the older bunch get knocked out early.
 

underground

G.O.A.T.
Those odds show the betting sites are based on popularity to some extent. Raonic is an immient threat to win this event with Murray as the only secure roadblock. All sorts of players can beat Nadal since his serve game is still suspect.

The OP @tipsa...don'tlikehim! should sign us all up for a betting hedge fun where we bet against Nadal and other over rated players.

If Fed gets bumped to 16 you missed Zverev as potential R3 clash (he's way better than the three you named and still improving by the week.) For R3 with Fed as 17 seed, Dimitrov is the only real threat. R4, Djokovic might be the foe of choice or pehaps Stanimal. Dimi and Thiem are potential QF threats, but red hot Dimitrov (who at rock bottom took sets off Fed last year at Auz and Brisbane) has to get by one of the big boys R16 (top 4) to make QF.

Federer has a chance to make a big run. He'll be more rested for a clash at R4 (round of 16) then later, so he'll have a great chance to blow open the draw. Conservatively he should make R4, its easy to see him making another SF or better as Murray and Raonic are the only in form players in the top 4. Whose to say they don't end up in the other half of the draw?:D
Heard the commentators say a few days ago #13-16 gets drawn against #17-20, so Fed should avoid Zverev in R3.
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Wow, just checked out the Gasquet Fed match! This guy is ready feddy to start competing in slams again. He's 95% what he was before the injuries. Just a little rust to knock of the old joints and he'll be there. Definite dark horse of the AO, if he manages to get some good match practice in the early rounds, and build in confidence. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Fed made a SF at least, and I wasn't at all enthusiastic about his chances during the off season. Federer has done it again! Maestro!!!
 

ultradr

Legend
Those odds show the betting sites are based on popularity to some extent. Raonic is an immient threat to win this event with Murray as the only secure roadblock. All sorts of players can beat Nadal since his serve game is still suspect.

The OP @tipsa...don'tlikehim! should sign us all up for a betting hedge fun where we bet against Nadal and other over rated players.

If Fed gets bumped to 16 you missed Zverev as potential R3 clash (he's way better than the three you named and still improving by the week.) For R3 with Fed as 17 seed, Dimitrov is the only real threat. R4, Djokovic might be the foe of choice or pehaps Stanimal. Dimi and Thiem are potential QF threats, but red hot Dimitrov (who at rock bottom took sets off Fed last year at Auz and Brisbane) has to get by one of the big boys R16 (top 4) to make QF.

Federer has a chance to make a big run. He'll be more rested for a clash at R4 (round of 16) then later, so he'll have a great chance to blow open the draw. Conservatively he should make R4, its easy to see him making another SF or better as Murray and Raonic are the only in form players in the top 4. Whose to say they don't end up in the other half of the draw?:D
wait. how does fed get #17 seed if delpo is out?
to me, he would get a seed #15 or 16, no?
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Heard the commentators say a few days ago #13-16 gets drawn against #17-20, so Fed should avoid Zverev in R3.
Are you sure? This would be the first year that has happened (just glanced at 2013-2016 and it is not 13-16 vs 17-20 at Auz open).
 
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H_Richardson

Semi-Pro
I just talked about Fed a couple posts above.
The Zed version is the same. Atm Zverev looks to be the biggest threat among the NextGen. If he doesn't hit Dimigod R32 and gets to R16 (R4) here is the matrix:
1. Murray - Murray owns Zverev so this would be doom
2. Djokovic - they've never played, but Djoko is weak. I don't think Zverev has enough power to hit by Nole, so this still may be a bridge too far on paper
3. Wawrinka - just beat him in Final where Wawa still had semblance of US Open form. Zed is playing better by the week so I like his chances
4. Raonic - Zed has the great first return game and reach to handle RaoSlug. Could easily see him systematically disect Raonic. Raonic will return Zverev well too, so Z has to break Raonic at least once a set which is not easy.

Zverev will handle Nadal. Thiem is a potential roadblock. Zverev handled him well in their last encounter, but Thiem played great for much of the Dimitrov match in their Brisbane QF.

Thiem is physically back pretty much with a new serve game. He doesn't look to be making the big speed and talent leaps that Zverev is managing at the start of 2017, but Thiem is plenty dangerous for the following reasons:
1. He's beasting. He hit a ton of hard, hard shots and serves at Dimitrov with no letup. Physically Thiem is still getting stronger and he may become something like a slower version of Nadal with more power and nearly the stamina. Long run that is a beast especially in the 5 set format. Thiem makes his opponents work like Nadal, but has yet to achieve the stamina to be left standing at end of slam. Auz is Thiem's most likely candidate for slam stamina breakthrough and it could easily be this tournament; he looks that good.
2. He's close to in form. Some of Thiem's best form ever against Dimitrov; just a bridge too far to come back from the horror of the 2nd half of 2016, but Thiem is close.:eek:
3. His serve has been changed. Thiem's Superkicker may have been the culprit that took him down in 2016 as his serve percentages dipped through the Spring and his forehand lost its sting (won Stuttgart with 25 DFs and a crap serve.) Thiem apprently has some changes to serve based on TTW members comments on form and he seems to be able to hit it utlra hard a lot more (220 to 230 kph range). The downside is the promise of the superkicker and near 70% first serve percentage does not seem to be happening, but the bigger serve and a nastier 2nd seem to be working well. Dimitrov got off the hook at Brisbane due to Thiem's new serve breaking down under pressures with a bunch of DFs.

I don't see a giant leap for Thiem in the future, but as these three come together it should be enough to make him very dangerous and stay near the top of the game. Likely to do new Thiem thread if the form from Dimigod match continues at Sydney this week where Thiem is the top seed.
Considering he almost lost sets to Agut and Troicki, he wasn't really in grand slam winning form bar the serve. But credit to Zverev for playing really well- I thought Stan had it when he broke in the 3rd set.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
I just talked about Fed a couple posts above.
The Zed version is the same. Atm Zverev looks to be the biggest threat among the NextGen. If he doesn't hit Dimigod R32 and gets to R16 (R4) here is the matrix:
1. Murray - Murray owns Zverev so this would be doom
2. Djokovic - they've never played, but Djoko is weak. I don't think Zverev has enough power to hit by Nole, so this still may be a bridge too far on paper
3. Wawrinka - just beat him in Final where Wawa still had semblance of US Open form. Zed is playing better by the week so I like his chances
4. Raonic - Zed has the great first return game and reach to handle RaoSlug. Could easily see him systematically disect Raonic. Raonic will return Zverev well too, so Z has to break Raonic at least once a set which is not easy.

Zverev will handle Nadal. Thiem is a potential roadblock. Zverev handled him well in their last encounter, but Thiem played great for much of the Dimitrov match in their Brisbane QF.

Thiem is physically back pretty much with a new serve game. He doesn't look to be making the big speed and talent leaps that Zverev is managing at the start of 2017, but Thiem is plenty dangerous for the following reasons:
1. He's beasting. He hit a ton of hard, hard shots and serves at Dimitrov with no letup. Physically Thiem is still getting stronger and he may become something like a slower version of Nadal with more power and nearly the stamina. Long run that is a beast especially in the 5 set format. Thiem makes his opponents work like Nadal, but has yet to achieve the stamina to be left standing at end of slam. Auz is Thiem's most likely candidate for slam stamina breakthrough and it could easily be this tournament; he looks that good.
2. He's close to in form. Some of Thiem's best form ever against Dimitrov; just a bridge too far to come back from the horror of the 2nd half of 2016, but Thiem is close.:eek:
3. His serve has been changed. Thiem's Superkicker may have been the culprit that took him down in 2016 as his serve percentages dipped through the Spring and his forehand lost its sting (won Stuttgart with 25 DFs and a crap serve.) Thiem apprently has some changes to serve based on TTW members comments on form and he seems to be able to hit it utlra hard a lot more (220 to 230 kph range). The downside is the promise of the superkicker and near 70% first serve percentage does not seem to be happening, but the bigger serve and a nastier 2nd seem to be working well. Dimitrov got off the hook at Brisbane due to Thiem's new serve breaking down under pressures with a bunch of DFs.

I don't see a giant leap for Thiem in the future, but as these three come together it should be enough to make him very dangerous and stay near the top of the game. Likely to do new Thiem thread if the form from Dimigod match continues at Sydney this week where Thiem is the top seed.

Good post. Few comments

Murray vs Zverev - not recent enough + small sample size. the only true thing in their matchup is that Zverev doesn't serve dominantly enough to hold comfortably vs Murray, and Zverev seems a bit too keen on playing longer rallies, though he absolutely bombed a few forehands vs Fed.
VS Djokovic, I'm convinced he can win if Djoko doesn't drasticallyh improve. Djoko is hitting all these semi deep pusher balls now, and he's not doing well in high risk tennis himself. If Zverev starts firing, I think he has a chance vs Djokovic, though I haven't seen much of his transitioning game.
I think Zverev could be a nightmare for Raonic, for he hits hard himself and doesn't tank that far behind the baseline. He managed to rush Fed at times, taking time from Raonic shouldn't be that bad. + He should be able to rally backhand cc all day long + his bdtl is solid enough to keep RaoMug honest.

Haven't seen any of Thiem this year, but if he's serving in the bombs, good, if he's flattening out, better. Still lost to Dimi though, though I'm not sure if Thiem isn't playin that well or Dimi will win 18 slams after all
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Considering he almost lost sets to Agut and Troicki, he wasn't really in grand slam winning form bar the serve. But credit to Zverev for playing really well- I thought Stan had it when he broke in the 3rd set.
Zverev is a bit of a moving target and an unknownd down under since getting dumped so early last year. We don't know for sure how he'll take to this surface, but he looked quite good last two matches at Hopman so he's one to watch. Hoping Wawa surprises tonight against Nishi in Brisbane. Chennai has never really been a test so tonight is an early peak at the Slamimal and whether he's seeing his shadow or not.:oops:
 
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H_Richardson

Semi-Pro
Zverev is a bit of a moving target and an unknownd down under since getting dumped so early last year. We don't know for sure how he'll take to this surface, but he looked quite good last two matches at Hopman so he's one to watch. Hoping Wawa surprises tonight against Nishi in Brisbane. Chennai has never really been a test so tonight is an early peak at the Slamimal and weather he's seeing his shadow or not.:oops:
Yup I'm definitely afraid either way that Stan gets Zverev- I would back Stan but he would get pushed to 5 sets.

Stan will probably lose to Nishikori but maybe it's best that he doesn't peak early.
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Good post. Few comments

Murray vs Zverev - not recent enough + small sample size. the only true thing in their matchup is that Zverev doesn't serve dominantly enough to hold comfortably vs Murray, and Zverev seems a bit too keen on playing longer rallies, though he absolutely bombed a few forehands vs Fed.
VS Djokovic, I'm convinced he can win if Djoko doesn't drasticallyh improve. Djoko is hitting all these semi deep pusher balls now, and he's not doing well in high risk tennis himself. If Zverev starts firing, I think he has a chance vs Djokovic, though I haven't seen much of his transitioning game.
I think Zverev could be a nightmare for Raonic, for he hits hard himself and doesn't tank that far behind the baseline. He managed to rush Fed at times, taking time from Raonic shouldn't be that bad. + He should be able to rally backhand cc all day long + his bdtl is solid enough to keep RaoMug honest.

Haven't seen any of Thiem this year, but if he's serving in the bombs, good, if he's flattening out, better. Still lost to Dimi though, though I'm not sure if Thiem isn't playin that well or Dimi will win 18 slams after all
I agree, Zverev could beat Djokovic based on how they played at their respective tournaments. Zverev is playing better than in 2016, his match against Federer alone shows as much.

Djokovic is still struggling. There doesn't seem to be any change in how he ended the season last year. He's flashing occasional brilliance, but by and large is way too passive to push right through to a slam final. I'd love to see a Djokovic Zverev match because I've genuinely don't know who would win. On paper Djok is far more experienced and apable at this level, but something tells me that Zverev has the game to win against him. Zverev will sniff a major scalp and raise his level.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Good post. Few comments

Murray vs Zverev - not recent enough + small sample size. the only true thing in their matchup is that Zverev doesn't serve dominantly enough to hold comfortably vs Murray, and Zverev seems a bit too keen on playing longer rallies, though he absolutely bombed a few forehands vs Fed.
VS Djokovic, I'm convinced he can win if Djoko doesn't drasticallyh improve. Djoko is hitting all these semi deep pusher balls now, and he's not doing well in high risk tennis himself. If Zverev starts firing, I think he has a chance vs Djokovic, though I haven't seen much of his transitioning game.
I think Zverev could be a nightmare for Raonic, for he hits hard himself and doesn't tank that far behind the baseline. He managed to rush Fed at times, taking time from Raonic shouldn't be that bad. + He should be able to rally backhand cc all day long + his bdtl is solid enough to keep RaoMug honest.

Haven't seen any of Thiem this year, but if he's serving in the bombs, good, if he's flattening out, better. Still lost to Dimi though, though I'm not sure if Thiem isn't playin that well or Dimi will win 18 slams after all
Zverev transition game is work in progress, but saw some hope versus Federer. We are guessing on his matchups with Raonic and Djokovic since they've never played (haha Zverev beat Djoko out 2015 Boodles.)

For Thiem, just imagine he is progressing from where he was in June after some time off for injury. Ignore last Fall and late Summer. I don't see a giant leap, but promising. We'll see about DimiGod when he plays RaoMug next.:D A win against Raonic and the red hot label should be given to Dimitrov.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
I agree, Zverev could beat Djokovic based on how they played at their respective tournaments. Zverev is playing better than in 2016, his match against Federer alone shows as much.

Djokovic is still struggling. There doesn't seem to be any change in how he ended the season last year. He's flashing occasional brilliance, but by and large is way too passive to push right through to a slam final. I'd love to see a Djokovic Zverev match because I've genuinely don't know who would win. On paper Djok is far more experienced and apable at this level, but something tells me that Zverev has the game to win against him. Zverev will sniff a major scalp and raise his level.
Exciting NextGen times. Pouille and Kyrgios seem to have minor injuries so its up to team Zebra.;)
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
ah, i thought it was related since you wrote them next to each other.
But still wouldn't Federer be #16 ?
Federer is 17 unless Kyrgios, Monfils, or perhaps Pouille drop out. He's better off at 17 as he avoids any chance of meeting Zverev early.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
No need to even bother with a thread this year. I mean have you guys not seen Eurosport's advert for the tournament? It's Murray's "destiny" to win it apparently. :rolleyes:
 

oneness

Professional
Hoping the draw is balanced and we get some good matches from the 4th round on. The recent slam draws have been BORING.
 
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JRAJ1988

Guest
I've gone for Djokovic, the king of Melbourne isn't going to just abdicate from his throne. Don't count him out and I voted for him over Murray.

I hope Zverev the young, Kyrgios and Raonic feature heavily in this tournament.
 
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